JoeDaCabbie

If you all are looking for a new celebrity build, how about the YouTuber Oxhorn? He's pretty loved in the gaming space for his amazing lore videos. He just mentioned in today's Starfield live stream that he's running out of storage and is deleting older footage to delay the inevitable storage fail.

YouTube served up this blast from the past, and I think that we should never let Linus forget Madison. 

My most painful PC build - ROG Rig Reboot 2019

#MoreMadison

7 hours ago, minibois said:

At the moment, I am kind of unsure on how much this SSD will matter or not.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/ggy26f/next_gen_visuals_and_the_ssd/

This Reddit thread went into a bit of detail, telling us what could be an advantage with this much data throughput, but we have yet to see if the GPU and CPU can keep up with this throughput of memory.

 

Although it does bring up something that has been extensively discussed in the past (in the programming world): data (storage) vs computing (power).

Just take this for example: a system can store all multiplication tables for 1 - 9 (1x1, 1x2,.. 2x1, 2x2.. etc.) or it could just calculate this stuff on the fly. One takes up more data (because it has to store it all in memory), while the other means the system has to take a sec to calculate it all.

 

What is better?

Of course it will depend on the scenario, but I think we will see a big increase in game size, just because (on the PS5), the devs can leverage opening up a whole bunch of files on the system. And they know they can, because everyone who has a PS5, has this drive. Does that also mean Sony won't be a - conventionally - strong videocard/CPU in the system?

That is what I am uncertain about.

 

Plus what Tim Sweeney says does make a good point. While a dev on the PS5, makes a game for the PS5; only one machine. A PC dev makes the game for 'PC'. Some users are running storage as fast (or in the future faster) than the PS5; but the majority is still using 'normal' SATA SSD's or even an HDD. They can't (for certain) leverage the path of "Just load in more data".

Does that mean they will code another 'path' for the game in, that will leverage CPU/GPU power, or will they not bother?

 

I think raw CPU/GPU and even storage power is not going to be an issue. A year or two after the launch, we will already have PC's faster than the PS5.

But will everyone have that level of power? No.

Will everyone have that level of power on a PS5? Yes. 

That just makes it so the game devs could possibly take 'shortcuts' to leverage more from the PS5's CPU/GPU power.

 

TL;DR: all PS5 have fast storage, only some PC's do. Will they be able to use that speed for good performance/better performance than a PC? Find out on the next episode of DragonBall Z! We shall find it once the PS5 launches.

Thank you for some very good points and perspective!

The Reddit post was particularly interesting. Whilst the raw numbers in the example were impressive, I didn't see anyone noticing that the theoretical crowd of 6,300 NPCs were taking up nearly 1.5% of a 1TB drive's capacity by themselves. Taking that forward with game files and background assets, one game will eat most of the drive's storage. How long would it take to produce a game with 500-700 gB of assets, and who would want to have only one game stored on their machine at a time? So I'm going to scale that back in my own mind to something more reasonable in the 100gB range.

So, I guess the PS5 will be punching it out with PCs that have 3-5 times the build cost at today's pricing. Combined with your point about devs being able to design for one hardware spec sheet for max performance, I suppose that means the consoles (PS5 in particular) are going to be the gaming kings for a few years, at least. But I'm also wondering how long an SSD is going to last under that kind of load, and if Sony isn't going to be plagued with failures in 3-4 years. Time will tell, I guess.

So, I'm seeing some articles like this one (PS5 SSD is "best-in-class" across all platforms, says Epic CEO Tim Sweeney) now that makes it sound like Sony is owning the gaming world because PS5 will have a PCIe 4.0 SSD when it launches. Faster loading time is certainly nice, but is this really going to be a PC gaming killer with PCIe 5.0 and even 6.0 on the horizon? Especially since Sony is committing to this design for 3-4 years? What is the likelihood that PS5 is going to dominate over its entire lifespan? (Well, maybe from a cost-to-performance point of view; I'm not sure we'll see comparable PC gaming rigs in the $800 range with that kind of specs anytime soon.) 

EDIT: Posted in Computer Hardware because I'm curious both about how long folks think PCs will get to that point for a reasonably priced gaming rig, and frankly I'm not sure how much impact a faster SSD will have on gaming aside from reduced load times. I've never really heard of storage bottlenecking being a hot topic.

1 hour ago, Favebook said:

@GOTSpectrum Proly missed your post, but no, there is no chance of correction now. Correction time was until end of first day or smth like that. However, there are no event-specific badges for this event, so he will be eligible for normal badges anyway. You do not need an event to earn those badges.

K, thank you kindly!

Question for the organizers: a buddy of mine signed up for the contest but didn't realize that his F@H Username contained an underscore instead of a space until after the registration thread was locked. He's a nice guy and doesn't want to make waves so won't ask on his own behalf, but I'm an assertive jerk so I will. Can this be corrected? He won't be dethroning anyone in the rankings but it would be nice for him to be able to request badges.

57 minutes ago, maxdei said:

 

 

how if you right click in a browser you get the new tap new window... dialouge

could you send a screenshot and mark where to click

12 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Good morning all,

 

So... Big things are afoot IRL for me, and not of the good variety. So, I'm not going to be around all that much. 

 

So, while I am here atm, how's things for you guys? 

Sorry to heat that, I hope it all works out for you.

I somehow missed the 5 November end date to the contest and I need my rigs for the Extra Life Game Day event tomorrow, so I have to shut down folding tonight and bow out. I'll keep the extra RTX 2060 card I bought folding full time for the team, though.

7 hours ago, Aranwe said:

Anyone but me folding 24/7 but not getting over top 500 ?

Makes me wonder if that few PPD is even worth it folding... Since the beginning of the month I made less than top 100s make in one day

According to the Extremeoverclocking site, if I'm reading it correctly, less than 1,000,000 people have ever signed up to fold, and most of them aren't doing it anymore it seems. Think of how many machines there are in the world that are just sitting idle, whether through being ignorant of distributed computing or just apathy. Yet, here you are throwing your gear, even if it isn't super top notch, into the fray. You are making a difference, my friend, in a big way; you and all of the others who can't rack up 1M ppd can still gang up and make a big difference with the Fold of 1,000 Cuts. Everyone who has done something is a winner, in my book.

Sorry I couldn't reply and say thanks before now, but I was hospitalized for few days; my rigs are sadly more reliable than my heart. 

Gorgon: I thought about what you said about the rackmounts and looked at some specs, but I didn't see anything that matched what I want to do. I'm thinking about approaching RIT and offering a prize for a case design to maximize cooling for a minimalist hardware approach that can be DIY.

Also, after watching Linus' ATX video I sent an email to the IEEE's computer society suggesting they look at that standard to see if it's really the most efficient design for thermals after almost 25 years. They'll probably ignore it, but who knows? Maybe they need another excuse to throw a conference.

1 hour ago, shaz2sxy said:

cant belive it i got 14180 and 14191 again these take forever

Me, too.

So, say I wanted to build a dedicated folding rig with multiple graphics cards. Call the starting price $1,500 -$2,000 with future expansion. I'm trying to figure out what the hardware should be to optimize folding but minimize cost. Any thoughts would be appreciated as I am new to this and don't really understand how the client uses the hardware yet.

Thoughts thus far (and feel free to correct misconceptions.)

Case: full tower lying on its side, panel replaced with mesh and a custom exhaust system on top. Rationale: not letting multiple graphics cards cook each other in a vertical configuration, but still with lots of room. Maybe even forego this for a simple DIY box.

Mobo: multiple pcie 3 x16 slots, preferably four.

CPU: overclockable with onboard graphics for the monitor, but maybe only 6-8 cores (one for up to four video cards, the rest to handle the scutwork of the OS.) CPU folding doesn't seem to be worth an investiture in lots of cores to fold with. Or would something like a 32 core Threadripper be worth it? Can you gang cores for workunits? (I know that blows the budget, but if so better to budget something different for 2021 than live with a mistake now.)

Memory: does folding use much RAM? Maybe 8gb? Does speed matter?

Storage: one 128gb SSD m.2 for the OS, another for the client. Or would RAMdrive work with F@H?

Video cards: how many to cram into one case? Four, eventually? Here's where the big money will go. Are there still dedicated types like those miner cards Linus did a video about still being made? If so, useful for folding?

Power: go large to start so I don't have to replace it later, maybe 1000-1200w?

I had Windows and nVidia updates yesterday, and after I installed them it looks like I've lost like 15% of my ppd. I can't even do anything about it until this evening, either. 

Yaboistar, Spotty, thank you very much.

1 hour ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Crack a windows or two, during the summer folding sprint I got up to 43C inside... It. Was. Not. Pleasant.... 

 

Also, welcome into the fold, may your points be high and your downtime low.

 

Thank you!

May I ask a question about passkeys? (Well, I will anyway.) I used the same key for both clients; it seemed sensible as the key was registered to my identity. But browsing the thread here I've seen people using more than one. Should I be doing that?

Folding noob here. I installed the clients on both of my desktops yesterday and left for work. When I came home, my apartment was sitting at 97 degrees/36C, and the fans were screaming like souls being dragged off to Hell. I guess I see now why October is folding month, LOL.