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Actually thats a horrible comparison, good or poor product and unsafe work conditions are not the same discussion, that was a misstep on your part. However your objection to Musk companies themselves are totally valid and I hold similar opinions. Also to call me a "blind fanboy" is not fair either, I don't think Linus walks on water and have been critical of them in the past, but not on this point. I never said your point was invalidated, but if you aren't looking to buy a product from a company than why would they cater to you? With that said if they institute a written warranty and sales spike than I will be the first to come back on here and say that I was wrong about the number of people holding off due to no written warranty. When Im wrong I have no problem admitting it. I personally am not buying one either, and its not the price for me, its that I have no use case for a backpack. I dont travel and I don't haul anything around that doesn't fit in my pockets. As for shitty business practices I would like to point out that the water bottle has no implied warranty yet there are numerous stories on this forum of people buying them and having an issue with it whether it be leaking or even just print fading off prematurely (i'd like to point out that cosmetic defects are often not something covered by warranty on items like that as it doesn't effect performance) and they have gotten replacements no hassle from LTT so it seems like their business it doing an admiral job of taking care of customers and people are just getting upset that they aren't putting it in writing. I didnt say "I already told you.........", it was me explicitly saying those things in that post. I PREVIOUSLY said no one would go over court in those matters and I question you thinking someone would go to small claims court in BC unless they happen to live there over a $250 backpack as you cant sue for things like travel expense in small claims in Canada. It's ridiculous. And Hypothetical scenarios are part of discussion and I am more than happy to discuss yours. I agree that if you go and make a huge stink online you would probably get results, I suggested that was an issue in a previous post which is why I said I THINK THE WOULD LOOK AFTER CUSTOMERS WITHOUT AN EXPRESS WRITTEN WARRANTY. That was my whole point, that the warranty in writing is unneeded as the companies track record for dealing with customer issues gives no concern that they wouldn't take care of people with this purchase. And yes, it does look like the squeaky wheel is getting the grease here and that they will put a warranty in writing, and Im glad that will make some of you happy. My point though is the real world implications of having it in writing is irrelevant as I think everything will be dealt with the exact same way whether it was writing or not. Admittedly there is no way to prove that and we will never know so we are gonna have to just agree that we have different view points on this and move on because I think its safe to say we are both set in our mindsets here. So my new question is what do you feel should be the length of a warranty on this bag? What would the general public be satisfied with?

No its not, it was a hypothetical situation I was posing to make a point.

Ok cool, so you aren't their target customer than obviously, so why would a company take into account the concerns of someone who isn't their customer? The backpack is over priced to YOU, but it isnt over priced to the people who are buying it when you compare to other offerings of similar pack designs as have been posted earlier in this very thread. You appear to have made up your mind based on price vs your need, which is your right and quite frankly what you should do, but it also means that your input is something that the company doesn't need to concern itself with. I'm not "basing my entire view on it". But if you don't think that its important to factor in the consequences of not fulfilling a warranty when talking about providing one than I cant help you. Of course it matters. Also if I got a $20 ticket from the police and have the choice of paying it by mail or spending half a day going to the court house to fight it than ya, im just paying the $20 as it cost me a lot less than the 4 hours of my time. It would suck but its also the better choice financially for me. And not that it matters but I live in Canada not the US I'm flat out telling you that written warranties on lower priced items such as a $250 backpack are something that's provide to give people a false sense of relief that they will be cared for if something goes wrong. Its not worth a damn thing besides false peace of mind. If I have to chose between written warranty or a track record of good customer service Ill take the track record every time and if you wouldn't also take that then you are the one making a poor choice. One is based on hoping a company will care for you based on a piece of paper and one is based on SEEING a company actually take care of customers, it shouldn't even be a comparison as to which carries more weight. I deal with a company that provides "life time warranty" on a product they sell, but I also see how that same company rejects product warranty all the time for what I feel are baseless claims and I am left dealing with the upset customer, conversely I have another company, similar product, one year warranty and yet I have gotten them to cover product past warranty on numerous occasions. So what's more important, the written warranty or the company track record?

Ok lets pretend for a second you bought a backpack and lets say that they had provided a written warranty and your backpack had an issue that would fall under that warranty, like lets say a strap broke. And then when you try to file a claim and the provider of said warranty says "That looks like you intentionally damaged the bag, we aren't covering it." Sure you can go on twitter and try to drag them through the mud, and you can email them every day for months if you want, but if they still tell you no whats your recourse? Are you gonna take them to court over a $250 bag. No way are you and anyone that says otherwise is a liar, period. So whats that written warranty really worth? Absolutely nothing if the company backing it up wont enforce it. And if the company is a stand up company and are willing to back the product up than whats it matter if its written or not? Ive been in retail for 22 years, written warranties are worthless besides giving people a false sense of security that they will be taken care of

First ten minutes of this video covers it reasonably well I think

Not quite what I meant. I was saying that they aren't ignoring you (sticking their fingers in their ears), I'm saying that they decided that your complaint wasn't something that is worthy of changing their product for due to it being overall successful enough without your change. (Obviously I'm not saying "you" in regards to you specifically but just a general term") hence the "IF you don't like it don't buy it" kind of response. Linus has been active on Twitter about this and has said that if people really feel like they need something written on paper to make them feel good about the warranty then they will do so and try to have it ready before the backpack is shipped, but at the end of the day a written warranty is worth very little, and a companies track record in handling customer service issues is worth far more.

Black Bird on apple TV is only like 6-7 episodes and it was quite good, worth giving it a watch

Disagree here. If you dont like it, dont watch it is a valid response to critism. Its a more abrupt way of saying "I have no intentions of changing my art to accommodate you". Saying "if you dont like it dont buy it" doesnt mean they dont hear someones criticism of their product, it means that they dont see your opinion/issue as something that they feel is worth changing for. Either they dont see it as a big deal or they dont agree with the direction you want or whatever. Apple makes iphones, people will critique them for various things they dont like, but they have enough support for their current platform to basically be able to say "Dont like it? Dont buy it" because they have enough support that clearly not enough people share the criticizers level of concern. You are allowed to say bad things about a company, but people are also allowed to tell you they dont care what you have to say

You clearly spend a lot of time on here as you are a mod. There are a lot of posts that shouldn't need to have a full typed out response to explain why someone disagrees with it, in the same way there are a lot of posts that don't need an explanation as to why they agree, hence the check the agree and like button. All I was saying is that it would have been nice to have a quick reaction button to the inverse of the "agree" or "like". If someone says they thing the blue water bottle is the best looking and I disagree it seems silly to actually type out a response that says "not a fan" when the same thing could be conveyed through a simple click of a "frown face" or whatever, thats all. Either way as was pointed out above thats what the funny face is for, so Ill just use that.

I totally missed this, thank you for pointing it out. Totally my fault. Sad part is now that I have clicked that I KNOW I have read that in the past and just forgot all about it.

Can we have a dislike button added for post? We have a heart, and check mark, an informative one but no dislike. And before anyone says it would create a negative environment In would argue that it might actually clean it up some. Right now if you read something you dont agree with your only recourse for response is to write a post about it, and then that turns into more back and forth responses and often they seem to break down into stupid BS. If we just had a thumbs down button or whatever than maybe poeple would be more inclined to just click on that and move on than have to post "naw bro thats dumb" or whatever the kids are saying now a days lol.

What would you like to see listed as flaws that are big enough to warrant replacement? Like im interested in what you, or anyone else in here for that matter would consider to be something that requires replacement? I just kinda want to see where peoples heads are at on this topic. Obviously a bag that arrives with a hole in it or a busted zipper would OBVIOUSLY warrant a replacement but what is the minimum starting point for needing product replacement?

Disagree with it being ALOT more. Im a big guy that shops at a big and tall store for XXXL shirts, you know what a the average price of a XXXL graphic shirt is at a Big and Tall store is? $40 CAD, Ltt Shirt is 30 USD, so at the exchange rate its just slightly less, and yes I understand shipping is involved, but if I buy 3-4 shirts, which I do when I need them, we are talking adding on about 3 USD a shirt on average. So now we are 33 usd. $42.55 CAD at the current exchange rate. So 2.55 extra for a shirt that I like is not ridiculous. Also to note, the LTT shirts definitely fit better and last longer than the majority of the ones I have bought at the local stores. Not always, but generally. I also know that when you can buy a M shirt the world is your oyster and you can find $10 shirts everywhere but If you are a big guy that changes

I have no problem with people making educated criticisms, THOSE are useful. So for example if you say the backpack is to expensive and then show other similar packs that are comparable at less money then your criticism/opinion has some value to everyone else. If you say "I cant afford to buy one so its to expensive" then you are just a whining and it isnt for you. I had this conversation in one of the screwdriver threads, people would complain about the price but they never looked at a high end ratcheting screwdriver, they just linked some POS that was 12 bucks and say "see, they are way cheaper". Its like comparing a 2000 civic to a brand new Luxury car. Yes they are both fundamentally cars and get you from point a to point b but there are most definitely valid reasons people pay more for the luxury car. Products like the screwdriver or backpack are luxury cars that arent going to be for everyone, but so far it looks like plenty of people see the value in them.

I misspoke. I mean I have a pump/RES combo that mounts where the rear 120 goes, that will drive the loop for the CPU to the 360 rad. As for location I am in Canada, for like 50 weeks of the year we are under 30 celcius so ambient isnt a huge concern, as for hardware its a 5800x and a 3060 and its a light workload, improbably overthinking the front panel being restrictive

Ya I already have a spare corsair pump/rad combo that is the size of a 140mm fan that can actually mount in the back of the case where the 120 is beside the mobo in most cases. So then as long as I can get a 360 up front I can take care of plumbing it, ive gotten pretty good and making some absurd bends in some of my open loops ive done. Right now I keep going back to the define 7 compact but its pretty choked off up front where the rad is, thats a bit concerning

Its a custom loop so I can put my rad whereever I want, I am only doing a 360 becuase I already have a couple spares sitting here. I looked at corsair, I am using a 7000 right now but want something a bit less flashy I think. In reality I should bite the bullet and just buy an ITX board but I have a x570 MSI Meg ACE board right now and cant justify replacing my over priced board with an overpriced ITX option lol

I wasnt meaning bottom of the barrel as much as I mean I am not gonna have any major heat factors especially with the CPU on a loop. I would prefer tower. I also kinda wanna something pretty plain looking. It just sits next to my tv stand but right now I have a corsair 7000, its white and has 14 LL fans in it so its a damn xmas tree, wanna go more stealthy. Right now I was thinking maybe a fractal case but not sure. I have a define r6 sitting here unused but its white, and I want black

Hey this one is probably easy but I am having issues deciding on somthing. I need a black case for my HT pc, It has to be ATX compatible, has to handle a 360 rad, has to be black and would probably prefer a solid side panel as some of the components I have are white and dont wanna show them off in the living room and need it to not overheat. I am just using a 5800x on a open loop 360 rad and a 3060 MSI ventus 2x so its not a beast by any means but since its HT I want it be as quiet as possible. I also dont wanna spend a fortune, im dont spending 300-400 CAD on cases. Id also prefer to buy from www.memoryexpress.com as its local to me and easy to deal with. Thanks for any help you can give

Putting the bottle inside made it secure, I suppose thats why they went with that option, also keeps the outside of the pack the same dimensions at all times as opposed to having stuff hang off of it? And they designed the pack to work with their bottles in mind, they dont leak so having them inside is of no concern really, also the pocket for the bottle is separate from the main electronics pocket. On the WAN show he said they havent officially declared a warranty but basically said if you have an issue just contact support and they will help you out. If the pack is as good as they say it is I would guess the defective rate will be so low they will just replace anything that actually breaks

Oh there was definitely sarcasm involved in that persons post. Essentially he said "smarten the hell up"

Your ignorance is showing. This statement alone shows you dont have a clue what youre talking about.

Damn, approaching 2.5 million USD in sales already, good for them. I was all set to buy one a few months ago but the more I thought about the more I just cant think I have much of a use case for one. My laptop/electronics only leave my house like once every 6 months

Inflation world wide right now is just gross and its basically all artificial. Im not anti-company by any means, im generally all for free capitalism but if they wanna raise pricing of goods to the point of wrecking the entire middle class and lower class residents of the world than there is going to have to be some kind of government intervention before things turn bad. They are creating desperate people and desperate people will start to do desperate things.

Actually monster says 1 can per day, I have an empty one right beside me to look at lol. Its obviously all just random guestimations though being that there is a lot that goes into deciding how much someone can handle, there recommended "dose" is simply covering their ass. As for the OP, IF you are serious (it seems kinda trolly) then relax, youll be fine in a few hours, and for future maybe make sure you know what you are putting in your body before you consume anything.