bobhumplick

mine is doing the same thing. cleaned it with a barely damp cloth with just a bit of alcohol and now its doing this. ive heard others say samsung will fix it for 150 flat fee if its not under warranty or the damage was done by the owner.

one thing to consider is memory latency. first and second gen ryzen had a bit more latency than intel. but with the 3rd gen actually having the memory controller off the main die, latency is WAY up over what it used to be. the doulbed l3 cache makes up for that by bringing down the average latency. since the first and second gen cpus were a single solid die with the mem controller on it it wasnt need as much. without they might not have even got any gains over the 2000 series. plus cache is VERY important for a lot of pro workloads. things like compiling i believe. there is a reason that some intel xeons have 40+ mb of cache on something small like a quad core. they are made for the pro market. and l3 is very important for some of those works loads and amd dont have seperate dies for every market. they use one for everything. intel normally uses the same cores for eveyrthing, but with different cache configs and fabrics (mesh vs ring) and many many different dies for different markets

and also when it comes to buildzoid, i have a lot of respect for him but theres no way the VRout is the correct sensor for all the z390 aorus lineup. cause if it is then my 9900k is running 5ghz stable at 1.15v. i doubt thats right. theres more to this than just what you are saying just because buildzoid does it one way doesnt mean thats the only way to do it. llc adds voltage to counteract vdroop. if you are arguing with about how much voltage it adds then fine, it could be more than i said or less. but it DOES add voltage. thats how llc works. if you think i measured it at the wrong point or whatever is irrelevant. the point is that llc adds voltage and if you are already at a high voltage and turn up llc you have to be very very careful. most people apply way more llc than they need and would be better off with less llc and a tad bit more voltage. plus you cant just go by a video. i have a aorus pro. he has the pro wifi. they look almost identical. except pro has a totally different controller. not the IR one shown in the video. it has a renesas. and that was an asrock board anway with an 8700k but what i saw when that cpu was under load was llc raising the voltage. period. thats how llc works. it raises the voltage when the vcore starts to droop. and it WAS raising it the amount i stated. period i dont even know what your original point was. just a bunch "youre wrongs" my point was that voltage goes up with load. thats it. and it does

"Please quote the messages correctly. Not just with " "; that's confusing." ill quote however i want. "You measured at the socket, right? That's the problem." ok so what voltage do you get when you measure with llc under load? if it doesnt go above what you set and its medium or higher then its not reading right. if you are just trusting sensors then just keep doing that. but think about it. if normally at 1.3v, lets say it droops to 1.2. now with turbo llc all of a sudden it only droops to 1.29v. the reason its only drooping to 1.29v instead of 1.2v is because its adding .09v to it to offset what it lost in droop. thats the only way it could do it. if the board kept the same voltage at full load with llc and the load stopped it would go up to 1.39. in effect your voltage IS 1.39v for the time that it is at load. you might as well just set the higher voltage and not use llc. buildzoid even says the same thing, you know the guy who made that video? i mean how do you think it counter acts vdroop?

"Just for reference, if you are using a true "Flat" LLC (measured via VCC_SENSE)--VR VOUT is an accurate VCC_Sense measurement but VR VOUT does NOT show transient spikes or drops, and transients will increase with tigher loadline!, you should *NOT* exceed 1.28v set in BIOS unless you are under sub-ambient cooling and if you are attempting to run AVX prime95, you should *NOT* exceed 1.24v set in BIOS! That's because at 193 amps of current (8 core), max" yeah for a 9900k using a flat llc with more than 1.28 being dangerous sounds about right. i was talking about with an 8700k. i used an 8700k and a 9900k when posting i think and 2 different boards so parts might be confusing. but people need to be very carefull with llc and especially when getting near 1.3v. 1.4v at no llc is probalby fine. 1.3v at extreme llc is like having a deathwish. when someone qutoes a vcore value to you make sure you understand what llc setting they mean. IF YOU USE A "FLAT" (NO VDROOP) LLC SETTING WITH AN 8700K DONT GO OVER ABOUT 1.3V. MAYBE 1.32. ON A 9900K LESS THAN THAT. WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT 1.4V ON A CPU BEING SAFE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT NO OR VERY LOW LLC (PROBALBY STOCK LLC) AND WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE MAX SAFE VOLTAGE FOR AN INTEL CPU BEING 1.52V OR WHATEVER THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH VOLTAGE SPIKES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WONT SHOW UP ON A VCORE\VROUT READING. FOR FLAT LLC 1.3V IS ACTUALLY HIGH!!!! FOR STOCK LLC 1.4V IS PROBALBY BETTER THAN 1.3V WITH FLAT LLC ON AN 8700K AND ON A 9900K TOO MUCH. JUST AS FALKENTYNE SAID!! and i know you already know this falkentyne but i was posting this for others. just remember, all you new guys. someone saying that X voltage is safe, without knowing the llc setting and which cpu they are talking about you dont know what voltage that really is. 1.3v at flat llc (level 1 asrock, turbo gigabyte) will end up more like 1.4v-ish if you read it with a multimeter. if you see maybe .03- .07 vdroop then you are probalby about where you need to be for the best overclock. now asus boards with full 8 or more phases and no doublers may have better transient response but i dont have experience with 300+ dollar boards. the best thing to do is test it for yourself. the point is that setting llc too high can actually make things hotter, degrade faster, and you actually get less of an overclock. right now, for a 9900k, i use auto voltage witha -85 dvid and llc at standard at 5ghz and it runs beautifully. in cinebench the vcore goes down as low as 1.2v but is still stable and doesn thermal throttle even with an air cooler and my tjmax set at 85c. its awesome. if you want manul voltage i run mine at 1.285 with high llc. thats the one right below turbo which is flat on my board. it droops down to about 1.24v in cinbench but still is stable. when i tried flat llc, which is turbo, i had to set 1.3v and it was hot and loud and didnt help overclocks at all. with the high llc i can run 51 with no avx offset at 1.325 and it droops down into the high 1.2-ish range (1.27 or so) but its totally stable even without an avx offset. if i set turbo (flat) llc then i would have to go up to 1.335 or more. flat llc does not help overclock. lower the llc and raise the voltage a tiny bit and youll be better off. most times you wont even have to raise the voltage, itll run at the same voltage or even less. AGAIN THIS IS JUST FOR NEWBS WHO THINK THAT EVERYBODY RUNS 5.3 ALL DAY AT INSANE VOLTAGES. IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND HAVE A GOOD WATERCOOLING SETUP THEN THIS ISNT FOR YOU.

but the point of what i was posting is that most boards (and i think boards with doublers especially) the llc that gets you a flat voltage curve (no vdroop) is too high and either wont do anything for your overclock or will actually make it worse. the one below that or even the one 2 steps below that will get you the best overclock. there will be vdroop but it will still clock better and run cooler with less voltage. and when i say "flat" i dont mean the line on the graph. i jsut mean the llc setting that stops vdroop for that particular cpu. when i used the flat (level 1 for asrock) on my 8700k and extrem4 asrock board it would do 5ghz at 1.315 after it drooped a bit it would read 1.295-1.305 which is close enough to what im calling "flat" and it would only drop that far under heavy load. now after i lowered the llc to level 2 (the one below the "flat" highest llc) i could run 5.1gh at this same voltage with a -1 offset for avx. so i got an extra 100mghz just by using a LOWER llc. with llc at level 2 voltage would droop to maybe 1.27 or 1.28, it might have been as low as 1.26v im not sure. but anyway even though it was .03 or so volts lower it was still stable and at a higher clock no less. i think its the transient response on these boards, especially the ones with doublers maybe. the extreme4 and the z390 pro both have doublers. doublers add a bit of delay and i think by the time the controller knows its time to add llc and it tells the power stages to raise voltage, its a little slow to react and the voltage droops a long way before the voltage raises back up but this happens so fast it doesnt show up on the vcore reading. so both level 1 and level 2 llc were dropping to about the same point before rebounding which made level1 kind of pointless. if both drop down to 1.26 volts or something for an instant and then one jumps up to 1.28 and the other jumps up to 1.305 then it doesnt relaly matter because they both hit that 1.25v low and thats where the crash happens. this is just my theory. but i think a "flat" llc or even anything near flat on a doubled board (maybe any board but i dont know) is kinda not needed. 2-3 steps below the one that keeps the voltage from drooping is the one i would use. if not lower. i may not be explaining it right, the words im using for stuff may be the wrong terms but i think its right though AGAIN THIS IS JUST FOR NEWBS WHO THINK THAT EVERYBODY RUNS 5.3 ALL DAY AT INSANE VOLTAGES. IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND HAVE A GOOD WATERCOOLING SETUP THEN THIS ISNT FOR YOU.

"Just for reference, if you are using a true "Flat" LLC (measured via VCC_SENSE)--VR VOUT is an accurate VCC_Sense measurement but VR VOUT does NOT show transient spikes or drops, and transients will increase with tigher loadline!, you should *NOT* exceed 1.28v set in BIOS unless you are under sub-ambient cooling and if you are attempting to run AVX prime95, you should *NOT* exceed 1.24v set in BIOS! That's because at 193 amps of current (8 core), max VCC_Sense voltage (with respect to ground), with 193 amps being absolute max allowed by Intel, is between 1.212v-1.230v (depending on where it's measured)" i dont use VRout. it the voltage as way way too low at least on my board. if i used VRout i could enter 1.5v and it would show it as much less. i use the highest of the 2 vcore readings on the gigabyte board in hwinfo64 which seems to be more in line with what is actually happening and what i set in the bios. right now i just set 5ghz and -85 dvid offset and left llc at standard. that should be very safe and it runs very cool as well. if any of the voltage readings are close to correct then its drooping to 1.2v or even below and still stable in everything. the vrout is reading as low 1.12 or something and the second vcore reading is reading down to 1.15 or lower so i know that cant be right.

"This is actually wrong. The "Lowest" (Flat loadline) LLC ON your Asrock does *NOT* raise the voltage at all at load ! Elmor and another Asrock user actually tested this with Mode 1 and Mode 2, with mode1 being the completely flat LLC. They were able to measure more accurately, but there was a LOT of noise as it wasn't properly grounded and I am still not sure if they were measuring VCC_Sense or MLCC caps!" you are misunderstanding me. level 1 on asrock boards are the highest. level one is the "flat" one. it will keep voltage set at whatever voltage you put in the bios (at least with an 8700k). and yes it DOES raise the voltage, i measured it with a multimeter. llc raises the voltage measured at the socket to compensate for vdroop. and llc one is the "flat" one i was refering to, the highest llc setting. by flat i mean the one that keeps the voltage reading "flat" or unchanging with no dips. the one below it which allowed a bit of vdroop actually got me higher overclocks though which was level 2

i know this is old but if anybody is planning on using these settings keep some things in mind. first there is a voltage drop when a cpu is under load. just like if you run a power tool and the lights dim a bit or if you have a high powered stereo in your car and the bass hits and the lights dim a bit. this is natural. some people claim its built in to protect the cpu but thats not exaclty it. it just happens to work that way with circuits but mobo makers added in ciruits that would raise the voltage under load. so by the time you drop some voltage, then the mobo raises it, things even out. this is called llc. so the mobo opens the "valves" for more power when under load. the "valves" it opens under load for a 1.35v setting might be the same "valves" it opens when you would have 1.43v set when not under load. that basically means that if you use 1.35 with a flat llc (the voltage stays the same, on z390 gigabyte boards its turbo) then you are actually tell the board to raise voltage from 1.35 to 1.42v. that is not good if you have something high set like 1.4 or higher!!!!. and never use extreme llc. there isnt much point in it. if you use a "flat" llc (voltage doesnt drop but doesnt raise above what you set either) then i wouldnt go above about 1.32. measuring at the back of the socket on an asrock z370 with an 8700k and later a 9900k, the flat (highest on asrock and turbo on gigabyte) llc setting actually raised the voltage to 1.39 when i set a voltage of 1.31 in the bios. on that board if you set 1.4v and the flat llc then you would get about 1.48 at least. THIS IS NOT GOOD!! when you use llc you have to set your voltage much much lower. you would probalby be better off just not using llc or using the one 1 or 2 levels below "flat" THIS IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT!!! the llc level below flat often overclocks BETTER than flat or something insane like extreme llc. i could run 1.315 at 5.1ghz on my old 8700k with llc set to the one just below flat (on asrock its level 2 with level 1 being highest i think) and it would be stable even though it was drooping down to 1.26 or so. but if i used flat (level 1, like i thought you were supposed to) i would have to set the voltage to 1.32 and it would not droop much at all.. 1.315 would droop to 1.31 or something and still not be stable, even though i just ran the chip stable at 1.26 or so. i dont know why this is so but its true. tried on 2 different boards with 2 different chips and was true both times. flat llc should probably not go above 1.32 for daily use. that might be a bit high. if you use extreme or anything ABOVE flat then i wouldnt go above 1.28 maybe less than that. you would be better off going high llc (level 2) or even lower and just setting the voltage to 1.4v at max but better would be soemthing a bit less. people say as long as you can cool these chips then it doesnt matter about the voltage because you will run into heat problems first. but that is for large aircoolers or aio's under 240mm or so. large custom loops run at max pump speeds will put you into dangerous territory with voltage without running into thermal throttling. the guy in this post has either cpu degradation or the board's vrms have degradated. dont do this. this guy should have just went for 5.1ghz and a nice low voltage. maybe 5.2 with flat or below llc and maybe 1.35v max. avx offsets are your friend and a 5.2ghz clock with an avx offset of 2 so it ran at 5ghz probalby could have been gotten on a 1.32v setting with llc just below flat. dont do this!!!!! measure your voltage at the back of the socket some time. 1.3v with llc extreme will give you 1.45v at least at the socket even if it reads much less. like i said 1.315 would read near 1.4v just on flat llc (gigabyte turbo asrock level 1). if you dont have any vdroop with your settings or if it actually raises voltage (negative droop) then about 1.3 is getting close to max voltage.

if you buy an oem system you will get limited down to 3.7 or so. you have to use intel xtu to unlock them. had to do this with a friends oem hp omen. he didnt talk to me before he bought. friends dont let friends buy rprebuilt

above 4g decoding doesnt mean you wont be able to use cards with more than 4gb of ram. its someting else. its there for compatibility with old 32 bit apps and hardware and you dont need it unless you have a lot of gpus or something int he computer. and no hardrives\ssd's dont count

i know its old but soembody might find this later. sli doesnt like taa. youre better off using dsr to upscale the image but then you get less fps. if the game offers msaa or soemthing use that. fxaa also works but isnt great. upscaling is the best option set to 1.2 or 1.5x in dsr and change the res in the game to the highest one available

no games benefit from 10 bit color. an app or a game has to be written to take advantage of 10 bit color. limited and full color are something different. they are not the same thing as 10 bit or 8 bit. in limited color the first 4-5 colors shades are cut off and the last 4-5 color shades. thats out of 256 or 64000 i dont remember. i think its 256 or so. if your display supports full then you need to use full. if it supports limited you need to use limited. but some tvs need full and some limited. a very small number of monitors use limited but most are full. there is an easy way to tell as i said above. "if you have washed out colors then you are using limited range settings on a full range display and if you have the opposite and its overly black in dark areas then you are using full color range on a limited display. any other difference is just down to color profile and can be changed." as far as 10 bit color that is for video editing (like in adobe premiere). NO GAME SUPPORTS 10 BIT COLOR PERIOD!!

usually its because the gpu screws up and tries to treat the monitor as a tv and sets dynamic range to limited instead of full. you can change it in nvidia control panel under resolution. you have to scroll down and change dynamic color range from limtied to full. if you have washed out colors then you are using limited range settings on a full range display and if you have the opposite and its overly black in dark areas then you are using full color range on a limited display. any other difference is just down to color profile and can be changed. people say its because of texture compression but both companies use delta compression that is lossless and some poeople say its because that amd gaming cards support 10 bit color while for nvbidia you have to have a quadro but games dont support 10 bit color and not many apps do either so it really makes no difference (HDR excepted)

there are not legit emu's for xbox or ps4. they would be sued into oblivion very quickly and im sure memory is encrytped when the game is running somehow. if they move onto a new system that isnt just an upgrade of the base systems (i mean a radical change not just a small one) then maybe you will get an emu when their legal department doesnt care anymore