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Okay uhh be mad at those companies - not apple A lot of people dont care about things you would expect. Most people are not tech people but still buy phones and the market reflects that.

Cause it was the direction the market went. If people really cared about headphone jacks they would still be around. Its a cycle Apple does something -> people shit on it -> other companies realizes its a good idea -> people shit themselves and get angry at apple. Other companies have freedom to do what they want but they have to compete. Apple jumps of a bridge and people get angry when other companies do too.

Ummm no. Every other company can do whatever thet want. If apple shows big leaps because of this then they will have to respond to remain competitive.

1) Bro this has major incel energy. No girl is not gonna fuck you because you have a galaxy s20 2) this is the amazing part. Apple wont let anyone use their stuff so if you dont want to use it just buy another company's product. Im sure this transition will effect other companies but hopefully in a good way but x86 isnt going anywhere. Long term x86 should die and risv takes over a lot.

There are hardware features and things that go beyond raw "performance"

This is the thing - there is a good amount of substance here

Very well put I appreciate this response

If I could answer that I would be in product development. Im sure if they come up with compelling features other companies will copy them they have time and time again.

But see the point is now they will also be shipping ARM versions the software if they want to support the mac ( which a lot of people do) This is a valid concern. Although there was nothing stopping apple from doing before these chips. Its important to keep users specific need in mind when buying a product. I think for the vast majority of users of though who are already buying a mac they are fine with the loss of dual booting - although I suspect from rumors that windows will also run on these macs. You still get significant power gains even emulating x86 from the architecture. Also the eGPU issue seems like a lack of PCIE bandwidth on these chips that is also the reason for only two thunderbolt ports. Im sure this will be improved when they get further into the transition.

Yeah I dont think there is any true viable arm based desktop platform for the vast majority of users I mean its more about the fact we will probably see new things that people wouldnt even consider possible on a laptop before

I guess my point that it will be interesting if Microsoft or other companies will start looking into developing their own hardware OS integrations if Apple can show exceedingly beneficial gains from it.

Apple Silicon seems to have ruffled a lot of feathers and a caused bit of a circle jerk on twitter. I will start this off by conceding that Apple's presentation had some over the top claims. They does this all the time and while it may be annoying to hardcore computer enthusiasts I think a lot of people are getting angry and pointing to those claims instead of evaluating the the processors on their own merit. I like Apple products (mostly for development) and wanted to give some reasons that I think even if you are not an Apple fan these processors should make you excited A major OS is transitioning to ARM. x86 is not a perfect architecture and has a list of its own issues. Apple's transition will force a lot of user onto an ARM based platform and we will see a lot of applications start supporting ARM to meet this demand. Windows for ARM already exists but doesn't have a ton of support from major application providers. I think the power benefits will force many other companies to have look to ARM based processors in order to compete in the long term. Complete Stack integration. Whatever you think of Apple and their design practices they have just shed the last major constraint they have on products. They now have free reign to craft their computers in their image. I think we will begin to see a crazy amount of tight integration between hardware -> OS -> Application and streamlining that can't be imagined unless you control the entire stack. I have a feeling the apple "ecosystem" might be getting some new snazzy features that other companies will have to compete with. Power Consumption Standard. I see a lot of people arguing over the raw performance and benchmarks of the M1. I think its very important to consider power to performance. I don't think anyone can doubt that the power to performance ratio of these chips is anything less than astounding. As an engineer I am almost shocked. I think this will be another motivating factor for more companies to transition to ARM. When looking at these new computer I am suggesting that you consider what this means for the industry as a whole. Apple one of the most dominant tech companies (even though they have been severely lacking performance for awhile) just just put some cards down that the rest of the industry will have to match.

Thanks for the help for anyone from the future coming to this thread I fixed it by updating the motherboard firmware

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I just got an SSD and would like to transfer stuff from my HDD but not everything like Steam library and some other large applications. If I could I would clone the HDD and transfer things back over but the capacity of my HDD is over the size of my SSD. I wanted to know if there was a better way of doing this than installing Windows on my SSD and transferring my license.