HairyPotter

2 minutes ago, gloop said:

This is probably the problem. Unstable overclock (not enough voltage, etc). 

 

Clear the CMOS.

Yup brought it back to 3200mhz and it started booting again finally, others mentioned it as a cpu problem apparently it’s not i guess

So I have a pc that’s only 2 months old and so far no issues until now, when I try to turn on the pc, only the actual pc lights up, the keyboard and mouse stay off and the monitor says no signal, after force shutting down and turning on again everything seems to work, this is happening everytime I turn the pc on what is the problem?

Specs:

Ryzen 7 2700X Overclocked 4.2Ghz

MSi X470 Gaming pro Carbon 

Motherboard

Sapphire Nitro + AMD RX 5700 XT 8GB Graphics card 

500GB corsair MP510 M.2 SSD

1tb WD blue 7200 RPM HDD

Evga Supernova 650 G3 650w PowerSupply

Corsair H100i RGB platinum AIO cooler

NZXT H500I case

G.skill Trident Z Royal 16gb ddr4 Overclocked 3466Mhz

X2 Noctua case fans
 

5 hours ago, nick name said:

If you're gonna back-off the CPU voltage and multiplier you could recover some of the performance by tuning the tRFC.  Have you already tuned your RAM?

Yes my ram is 3200mhz ocd to 3466

42 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

if it's stable at 4.2ghz with 1.325v and 87C, I think that's a win and you can't really push it more.

Well it did crash eventually, i upped it to 1.35 and same results just the higher viltage

3 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

Way better at the very least

Do you think if i change the thermal paste to something premium i would see better temps than the stock thermal paste from corsair?

Just now, TofuHaroto said:

Way better at the very least

Just upped it to 4.2ghz same results and temps

4 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

As far as you can get to 

Alright did the aida 64 test on fpu but this time 4ghz at 1.325v and temps maxed out at 87c according to hwinfo

Just now, TofuHaroto said:

For long ? It's absolutely not a good idea 

 

1.325 should be even better

What ghz do you recommend with 1.325?

21 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

^ this 

In terms of temps I don't see anything wrong really but that voltage is really high 

I'm surprised the board  is still living 

Well I’ve seen people go 1.45 and were fine, but yeah it’s pretty high, I’m gonna go back to 1.35 with lower oc

11 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

your voltages are to high for 24/7 usage... you need to back it down a bit. I wouldn't go above 1.35v for 24/7 operations with the Zen + architecture. 

my voltage is at 1.4375

6 minutes ago, Tad Bittoomuch said:

Without seeing the graph of temperature with respect to time, I'm only speculating.  However, it could be one of two things:

 

• Your AIO isn't mounted correctly, i.e. not enough pressure or unevenly mounted;
• Your AIO is too small and can't dissipate the heat generated by your CPU.

It could also be a combination of the two, potentially exacerbated by not enough/too much low quality thermal paste, but at this stage I'm thinking it's more likely the former (AIO is not mounted correctly.)

 

 

Aio is intake and the back in exhaust  

So i ran an aida 64 extreme (fpu) stress test to my aio cooled 4.35ghz ryzen 7 2700x, and i got these temps, is there something to worry about?

On 6/5/2020 at 12:21 AM, MS-DOS Guy said:

haha np, ive dealt with things worse. Hope you get everything sorted!

*UPDATE*
 

i reset the drive (keep files)  in the settings option and now my pc boots in 13 seconds compared to the 42 in the past

4 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

Idk dude, try the suggestions I gave you earlier. I really don't know how far off those scores are since I've never used that program before but you can do some googling and find out unless you already know that for a certain fact. Otherwise, I think you should follow the suggestions I've given you and give me some insight on what worked or didn't work so I know how to narrow the problem down. 

Alright I’ll do the other things you told me to do and I’ll update you tomorrow (12 AM where im at) also this has been such a rabbit hole lol haven’t been this hard at troubleshooting before

1 minute ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

They seem normal enough to not have a boot that lasts 44 seconds, so yes. 

Something caught my eye, my score is much lower than this score i found online for the same exact ssd

18 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

If you want to load your SSD's OS, then no. Don't.  According to Corsair, your ssd is 3,480MB/sec sequential read, and up to 3,000MB/s sequential write. However I don't know if that is real world performance or marketing bullshit since it does say "up to". I would just look at youtube videos at read and write speeds and compare them to yours. They shouldn't be that far off. But if they are, that is normal since every drive is kinda different. Kind of like how your able to overclock some processors to a high clock speed, despite how much voltage you add, and are stable at higher clock speeds rather than others despite how they are the same micro architecture or even same model. One thing that should maintain the same, is fast boot speeds. I mean there is no reason why it should take 44 ish seconds. Did you change those settings as I told you too in the BIOS? 

Are these speeds any good btw?

14 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

If you want to load your SSD's OS, then no. Don't.  According to Corsair, your ssd is 3,480MB/sec sequential read, and up to 3,000MB/s sequential write. However I don't know if that is real world performance or marketing bullshit since it does say "up to". I would just look at youtube videos at read and write speeds and compare them to yours. They shouldn't be that far off. But if they are, that is normal since every drive is kinda different. Kind of like how your able to overclock some processors to a high clock speed, despite how much voltage you add, and are stable at higher clock speeds rather than others despite how they are the same micro architecture or even same model. One thing that should maintain the same, is fast boot speeds. I mean there is no reason why it should take 44 ish seconds. Did you change those settings as I told you too in the BIOS? 

Unfortunately i didn’t because i couldn’t see them on my click bios, any idea were they might be?

2 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

I edited my post, read thoroughly. If you already updated your BIOS or if it already is the latest revision, change the settings I told you to within the BIOS. Once again I updated my post. If that doesn't work, proceed further with the steps within my post.

Do i change any of these?

1 minute ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

I edited my post, read thoroughly. If you already updated your BIOS or if it already is the latest revision, change the settings I told you to within the BIOS. Once again I updated my post. If that doesn't work, proceed further with the steps within my post.

Check my picture

5 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

Is your BIOS at the latest revision? MSI has all sorts of shitty problems. I personally hate MSI's bullshit motherboards, never used their UEFI BIOS before. But I can't say anything about your BIOS though. Since I know nothing of it. I'm still going to dwell a little bit more of the software side of things before I go into hardware problems. But, try loading a dummy OS ( like FreeBSD ) using rufus onto a random usb onto a different drive. Do the boot times still persist? What is the normal boot times for that SSD according to the internet? Do people experience similar problems with boot times with MSI BIOS? Make sure msi splash screen is off and fast boot is on in the uefi. If that doesn't work, refer to google about people experiencing similar problems with boot times with MSI boards. If nothing works, then it has nothing to do with your BIOS or your MSI motherboard. 

Latest crappy click bios from msi, the black and gray one its so basic, can it be a bios issue? How would i check if it is? Also the average boot time for my ssd should be  about 21 seconds

32 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

Hm, alright. Well continue with the installation process. Tell me how it goes. If the problem still persists, then I have a couple other ideas. Other than that, you might need to replace your SSD. 

Just finished reinstalling, tested the boot time instead of 47 seconds it’s 44 now, i am a bit disappointed and more worried now

7 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

Keep my files. Apps are mostly pertaining to system apps.

 

Alternatively, you could use media creation tool, which keeps EVERYTHING. Like, its literally a carbon copy of your current system files. It keeps everything BESIDES systemfiles, which is most notably the problem here. However, if this still results in slow boot times regardless of what method you use to reinstall your operating system. It is BOUND to be some hardware issue, or some software you have that you kept with you during the installation process ( notably something you installed ). But it wouldn't be in the startup folder or likewise ( kind of like how steam starts when your enter your desktop or similar process ), since it is happening DURING boot which wouldn't make sense, since during boot it uses systemfiles, and upon entering the desktop, everything from the startup folder is executed. But this is also a reason, why reinstalling windows will primarily fix the problem since it most likely pertains to systemfiles upon first inspection mostly due to the fact that it seems unlikely that any process could produce slow boot times, especially since no applications are executed until the desktop has appeared and loading systemfiles is done. Question: Is normal speed on your computer relative to the normal generalized speed of NVME drives as you would expect? @HairyPotter

Yes it is quiet fast when the computer is on, like loading programs and the swiftness 

3 minutes ago, MS-DOS Guy said:

Keep my files. Apps are mostly pertaining to system apps.

 

Alternatively, you could use media creation tool, which keeps EVERYTHING. Like, its literally a carbon copy of your current system files. It keeps everything BESIDES systemfiles, which is most notably the problem here. However, if this still results in slow boot times regardless of what method you use to reinstall your operating system. It is BOUND to be some hardware issue, or some software you have that you kept with you during the installation process ( notably something you installed ). But it wouldn't be in the startup folder or likewise ( kind of like how steam starts when your enter your desktop or similar process ), since it is happening DURING boot which wouldn't make sense, since during boot it uses systemfiles, and upon entering the desktop, everything from the startup folder is executed. But this is also a reason, why reinstalling windows will primarily fix the problem since it most likely pertains to systemfiles upon first inspection. 

Ok i am doing the media creation tool, it says if i want to upgrade my current pc to win 10 i clicked yes

3 minutes ago, Void Master said:

Any apps you installed will be removed, but assuming all the games are on your HDD, you can just reconfigure your game launcher after you reinstall it and you wouldn't need to re download them.

this process will take several hours... 

This makes me a bit hesitant so steam,chrome, winrar,discord,firefox,nzxt cam driver installations will all go since all the none gaming stuff i have go into the ssd

2 minutes ago, Void Master said:

Go to windows settings and simply search for it in the search bar.

U can choose to keep your files during the process.

Says it will remove apps should i be worried bout my games and programs/drivers?