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A while a ago we heard rumours about insane crypto currency mining performance on Vega with upcoming drivers. According to them, RX Vega would achieve numbers around 60-70 MH/s, or even more. There's a topic about the matter here. Today, alongside RX Vega unboxing, Finnish tech journalist Sampsa Kurri from Io-tech revealed that, at least according to his testing, the previous rumours are false. He started by telling the obvious, that we have to wait until Monday for benchmark numbers and other testing. But then he added: (this is my clumsy translation) So at least with the driver that reviewers are using in their current testing, the mining performance shouln't be anything extraordinary. Of course it's always possible that there's an even newer driver on it's way that has improvements. But to me it seems unlikely right now. Source (in Finnish): Io-tech's RX Vega unboxing at 10:32

Hi! I'm getting Ryzen 5 1600 next month and need some opinions on picking a motherboard. First of all, I think of getting X370 over B350 in the hope that the motherboard will last the next four years and during that time we'd get VR games with multi GPU support. Of course they tend to have also other nice features like better audio. So I'm currently considering between Asus Prime X370-Pro and Gigabyte Gaming K5, the cheaper X370 boards. I'm a sucker for good looks and want the board to be color neutral, so that rules out the Asrock boards and Gigabyte Gaming K3. You get a 20€ Steam gift card with the Gigabyte boards now, so with that the price of the Gaming K5 is equal to the Asus. The more expensive boards seem to give only small benefits for the extra cost but I'm open to all suggestions. I live in Finland, so you can check the local pricing here. Now, to the Prime and the K5. I'll list some of the differences: - Gigabyte has nice black PCB and overall color scheme. However the brushed metal color heatsinks on Asus look really nice too, so I'd be happy with both. - Gigabyte has two more USB ports and they boast of having some really stable power delivery to them. I don't really care. - Asus has USB 3.1 Gen 2 front panel connector. I don't really care. - Asus has "10-phase power delivery". I assume that's 6+4 then? Meanwhile Gigabyte has something like 4+3 by the looks of it. - Gigabyte has "Turbo B-Clock" IC on the board that allows greater tuning of the base clock. Greater base clock, I have heard, can enable rising the RAM frequency over 3200MHz. So as a conclusion, the real differences seem to be in overclocking. And even on that end, Gigabytes assumably weaker power delivery will probably be more than enough. My RAM will get nowhere near >3200MHz, though I'm planning to upgrade to 16GB next year if the prices drop and maybe faster kits have come down in price by then. So give me your opinions! Just based on features neither seems bad, so tell your previous experiences with the brands, what do you think of the BIOSes and so on.

Great point! The Finnish version says: So there is no "should", but what is that "basic rule" thing about? Is there an exception to that rule? I had completely missed that wording even though it's both Finnish and English versions. Thanks for pointing it out!

Of course this is a rumour (not verified by AMD as you said). But it's more than just a speculation as well, since the writer claims it to be 100% certain information. Then it's just a matter if you trust the news site. This io-tech.fi has very good reputation in staying on the facts and being never missleading. So that is why I personally believe everything in this rumour, even though we don't know their source at all. Anyway, I think you can take this ruomour with a grain of salt instead of a pile of salt, unlike most of them.

Makes sense since all the Intel processors are also hyperthreaded from 6 cores and up.

I don't know what limitations Intel has when disabling cores but on Ryzen you need to have the same amount of cores on both CCX's. So it's not all that simple and I fully understand that many people believed the earlier rumour.

According to the source not. It says that both CCX's would need to have same amount of cores and L3 cache. (So the other module having 4 cores and the other 3 would not work.)

A few days back we heard a rumour that there was not going to be a 6-core sku of Ryzen. There's a post about it here. I among other people speculated that it would be due to Ryzen's 4-cores/module architecture. A few hours ago a Finnish tech news site io-tech.fi published an article claiming that there is no technical limitation for 6-core Ryzen processors to exist. Translated from Finnish (by me): EDIT: "The rumour in question" being that the CXX (CPU complex) in Zen architecture would limit the possible core configurations to 4 and 8. I wan't to be clear on that they did not confirm 6-core sku's existance either. From the English summary in the article: So it seems pretty certain that at least technically there's no reason to make 6-core chips. (By disabling cores from defectice 8-core chips that is.) I'm excited, since before it looked like there would be just a big gap between the price points of 4-cores and 8-cores. Source: io-tech.fi (The article is in Finnish but there's an English summary at the end.)

Since Zen consists of 4-core modules, I always wondered what the 6-core rumours were about. Unless they'd disable two cores from the 8-core then.

I updated the topic with a new article.

Yeah, it's my bad. Was struggling a bit with these "law terms" (not excactly everyday English). But that is the exact way it was put in Finnish. So instead of the property being already seized, only an order for them to be seized has been given. At least I got the impression that nothing concrete had been done at the time writing.

Yeah, would be interesting to know what's going on in more detail. Although it's hard to say what machines they even have when the production still hasn't started. (At least based on what I know.) I'll try to update this if I hear anything new but it seems that media is interested in other "news" nowadays. Like "Have you always cooked pasta the wrong way?" or something.

For gaming I'd pick 10 to get DX12 support. Sure it's sometimes annoying or outright broken but after you have it set up, it's nicer than 7 in many small ways.

I guess they must have had the bills unpaid for a long time and the manufacturing equipment is everything worth of money that they have (at least in Finland).

You remember Turing Robotic Industries? That phone manufacturer startup that promised to make as secure phone as possible both hardware and software wise. It was(or is?) going to have "liquid morphium" body, no usb connector due to security reasons and Sailfish OS instead of Android. Here's a picture: So on February 2016 they announced that they're going to start manufacturing of the phone in Nokia's old manufacturing plant rented from Microsoft, in Salo, Finland. The manufacturing should have started in the spring but it still haven't, although I believe they delivered some unfinished early adopter "beta" samples of the phone in the autumn. They also announced some ludicrous specs for their upcoming phone which led many to believe the whole company is hoax. That announcement featured here on the LTT forum too, click here to read the post. Now a Finnish news paper Salon Seudun Sanomat tells that the property of Turing Robotic Industries (TRI) on their manufacturing plant in Salo is set on seizure. The firm PHE-Consulting Oy from Naantali, Finland, that has been a consult for TRI last year, has demanded the seizure and the district court of Varsinais-Suomi (South-Western Finland) has approved it. Apparently the seizure is set to aquire a debt of over 300,000€. Steve Chao, the CEO of TRI, commented on the matter and said he's not aware of the seizure. He added that there should be no reason to seize TRI's property and that their lawyers will handle this seemingly not very significant matter. On an interesting sidenote, that PHE-Consulting Oy is still an investor in TRI themselves. Sources: Where I read about the matter - io-tech.fi The original news paper article - sss.fi Don't know about our pal Chao, but if I were running a company with no finished products or any manufacturing, 300,000€ would be quite a big chunk of money. Unless Kickstarter money is already spent, new nice house bought and the company is ready to file for bankruptcy anyway. UPDATE: Another short news about TRI's response almost got unnoticed by me. This is from 21st of January. I'll try to translate it all but skip the parts that are identical to the previous article above. TRI demands the district court to cancel the order by which the companys production lines and bank accounts were ordered to be seized. PHE-Consulting OY says that TRI has not paid the fees agreed on in the contract. According to TRI's lawyer, TRI hasn't got a single bill or demand for payment from the consult firm concerning the debt that led to the seizure. The sides have a differing view on what has been agreed on and how the contracts should be interpreted. TRI claims that they had paid 60,000€ to the consult in October. According to Turing, the consult would have proposed in December for all the manufacturing lines of TRI in Salo to be transferred to his/her ownership. PHE-Consulting doesn't want to comment on the matter. Source: The same news site as with the original article - sss.fi

There's nothing really really detailed about the tests themselves but gather here everything I can get. -Testing platforms- Sandy- and Ivy Bridge: Asrock Z77 Pro3 -motherboard and 8GB of DDR3 (run at 2133MHz for Sandy and 2400MHz for Ivy). Haswell: Asus Z97-A USB 3.1 -motherboard and 8GB of DDR3 @ 2400MHz. Sky- and Kaby Lake: Asus Z270 ROG Maximus IX Formula -motherboard and 8GB of DDR4 @ 2400MHz. - Open test bench - Nvidia GTX 1080 reference card with 376.33 drivers (the newest at the time of testing) - 1080p monitor - 64 bit Windows 10 Pro installed on 120GB Corsair Force GT SSD disc - Games installed on Samsung 960 Pro - Silverstone 750W Strider Gold power supply -Benchmarks- Cinebench R15: Run with all cores enabled and with only one core. Both results in the graph. Blender 2.78a: RyzenGraphic_27 file published by AMD was rendered. Geekbench 4: Results include scores for all cores and a single core. X265 HEVC Benchmark 2.0.0 3DMark Fire Strike physics test JetStream 1.1 Javascript Benchmark Suite: Run with Google Chrome version 55.0.2883.87 m Octane 2.0 Javascript Benchmark: Run with Google Chrome version 55.0.2883.87 m AIDA64 Memory Benchmark Unfortunately that's about it. Everything else can be seen from the graphs. I guess the most interesting part is the description below BF1 benchmarks but I pretty much refered that already. Here's a translation word by word: "Battlefield 1 was tested on DX12 API and fps measured with OCAT software. The results describe well the challenges faced when testing the processor architectures in games. The clearly best performing processor in Battle Field 1 was Ivy Bridge, even after several re-runs. For example, with Kaby Lake and Skylake processors the test hitched in a couple of places and the fps dropped distinctly, but with Ivy Bridge the problem didn't appear as severely, even though it used an old Z77 motherboard and DDR3 memory."

I kind of agree with you, at least in that it would have been appropriate to test with DX11 as well after getting those results. Then again, DX11 or 12, I still don't get why Ivy Bridge is constantly faster (in BF1). It would be a different thing if the results were comlitely random, but no, apparently those were repeatable.

If this were to be true, my next graphics card might well be Evga. I really like how they won't void warranty even when watercooling.

I should note that the performance differences were fairly minimal in every other game than Battlefield but still, at least to my understanding, repeatable and valid. However they have no practical effect. For example in GTA V, Haswell was just 2 fps faster than Kaby Lake.

Finnish tech news site io-tech.fi has got some weird results testing the new Core i7-7700K against Intels previous processors. They tested Kaby Lake against Skylake clock-to-clock like many other news sites, but included also Sandybridge, Ivy Bridge and Haswell in the testing. All processors were run at 4.0 GHz and with 2400 MHz memory speed (except Sandybridge which only supports 2133 MHz). In synthetic benchmarks and rendering the results were as expected: Kaby Lake and Skylake scored even but otherwise performance had improved slightly by every generation. Kaby Lake beat Sandybridge by around 25-30% depending on the test. When tested in games with GTX 1080 at 1080p the results don't seem to make any sense however. The frame rates were measured with OCAT. In Battlefield 1 (DX12) Ivy Bridge beat all the others by 12 fps despite several re-runs. With Kaby Lake and Skylake the test hitched in couple of places resulting in noticeable drop in fps. Ivy Bridge suffered from the same behavior, but not in the same level. In Gears of war: Warhammer (DX12) and Civilization VI AI Benchmark (DX12) Kaby Lake and Skylake beat Ivy Bridge but Haswell rose to the top. In GTA V (DX11) Haswell and Ivy Bridge were on top of Kaby Lake and Skylake. Take this how you will. At least it seems that the IPC improvements don't really transfer to games. A small increase in clock speed would lift any one of the processors to the top. Tell me if you liked me to translate more of the article to English. The testing methology in more detail for example. Source and all the benchmarks for you to see: https://www.io-tech.fi/artikkelit/intel-core-i7-7700k-core-i5-7600k-kaby-lake/

I don't say overclock is ever guaranteed. But the default clock is higher with Kaby Lake - guaranteed. And based on all the reviews there's more overclocking headroom too, that's why I mentioned that 5 GHz number. The increase in base clock would be meaningless if the limits during overclocking would remain the same. Now, of course it's possible that the review samples are cherry picked. But at this point there's nothing to suggest that.

Isn't Kaby Lake using something that Intel calls FinFet Plus, enabling the higher clocks. Nothing significant, but I think it was false when you stressed that they'd be using the *exact* same manufacturing process as with Skylake.

Well, Kaby Lake overclocks higher. How is that not performance increase? Good luck finding 6700Ks that do 5 GHz (or even 4.9).

I used to have Linnmon tabletop and Adils legs from Ikea and they worked fine. My only complaint is that the table is a little too high for my taste. Then again you could probaly just saw a bit off the bottom of the legs if you wanted. 59" x 30" table would be $46. Table tops: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/workspaces/11844/ Legs: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/workspaces/11845/

I really love the level of blacks on my phone's amoled screen, so if this will be reasonably priced and the input lag isn't any worse than on standard IPS, I'm sold.