kilotekpc

O dear.

Intel CPU's can generally handle higher temperatures compared to those Vishera AMD CPU's, such as the FX 8350. Because Intel chips can reach higher temperatures, they do, as they are rated for it... especially unlocked chips. The last time I benched an 8320 MYSELF (because half of you here are just stating opinions, very few of you actually have hands on experience) it ran 55-60c under load. That's perfectly fine/average and in most cases lower than similar Intel chips. I've seen I series processor go MUCH higher than that under load. I don't know where you got your information from but on average across the board for all processors Intel chips are much hotter as they are rated as such to allow it and everyone knows that... Google it. You may be able to find a few Intel chips that run cooler but just because something happens once it doesn't mean it happens all the time (my wife likes to pretend things work like that too). A good example of this is my chip, it isn't a bulldozer so my allowable overclocking limits are slim to nill because the allowable temperature limit is an EXTREMELY low 62C as rated by AMD (not to say people haven't pushed it further but I'm not interested in damaging my chip).

I'm sorry I should have been more specific, by the way I was in the middle of revising what I wrote when you replied back 17 minutes ago so please read that again. The games are poorly optimized, especially GTA V (At the moment) is what I meant its not a your end specific problem, sorry. And by settings yes I meant things like MSAA, Shader Detail, Global shadows, etc etc. To bring it into perspective, your PC is MUCH better than mine, yet we are playing the EXACT same titles (Far Cry 4, GTA 5, Dead Rising) and I'm getting the same relative FPS, though I am running medium-high settings not high-ultra (I see anywhere from 45-120fps in GTAO, usually a consistent 60+, depending on whats around for the game to render). I really feel like this isn't a hardware related issue or bottleneck, as I previously stated your system should be able to handle anything you throw at it and anything else in my opinion is the fault of the game, available settings or something else. I don't think your just going to buy a whole other card and automatically get that satisfaction as I said in my previous post this has a lot more to do with mental satisfaction than actual visible performance gains.

Forgot to quote you, sorry for the double posting seen below.

Its a complete waste of money in the gaming department unless your planning on 4k sometime down the road. Again, its mostly a novelty/something to brag about to your friends. Only %30 of the systems I see running cards in SLI or Crossfire actually need it/are being used for a purpose that demands all the available resources. I've gotten into a TON of arguments with people over this in person, and in almost ALL cases, to settle the argument we'd unplug one card and boot up his favorite game, and in all cases it made zero notice-able differences until you turned on an FPS counter. And at that point your really just talking about mental satisfaction/an obsession to be over whatever number you want. As if its some status symbol (Lets be realistic, no one see's the difference between a CONSISTENT 30 fps or 60 and if you try to tell me you do I'm not going to believe you BECAUSE, your FPS doesn't effect visually noticeable quality it effects the rate at which frames are rendered on the screen and unless your have ****ing camera lenses for eyes I highly doubt you can see the difference per frame or as a whole. People are reallyyyy starting to buy into and mix up this whole 30 fps vs 60fps thing up into something its really not) In reality your not seeing any effect on game play or performance. Its mental satisfaction. I'd be willing to bet that you have no problem with anything you throw at your system and your just worrying/buying into the whole 60+ FPS or nothing BS. Even if you TRULY believe you can see the difference between 30 and 60 FPS I still think its just a placebo/something people convince themselves of.

144p....? It may not be double, but the card would be able to buffer more data therefore allowing it to render more frames, increasing the FPS... SLI wont necassarily "double" your FPS either, as previously stated depending on the game you usually see a %40-60 boost so if your running at say 45fps, %40-60 percent of that is only another 18-27fps. Not another 45 or "double". Please watch the entire video as I really think you have not.

Actually VRAM is extremely important for per-pixel rendering per frame. VRAM will effect your FPS. Linus explains here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utv144XeHag

In a roundabout way of thinking, the secondary card in SLI or Crossfire just provides relief support, as in its only used as an overflow or extra for the existing primary card. If things get busy and it could use some help, the secondary card will provide it. The cards do not run simultaneously/in sync or as doubles as most people think. And that's an EXTREMELY basic way of putting it. I'm sure someone will come and flame me for not being extremely technical/correct. In my opinion, no. Unless your getting into video editing or heavy heavy computing (E.G Bitcoin mining etc etc). Than its generally unnecessary/a novelty and something to brag about to your friends. It is almost always more economical to just upgrade your current primary card, there are obviously a handful of situations and exceptions though. However I don't think yours is one of them.

While I agree that $1000 may be a little close to $1200, none of those part picker prices include shipping and taxes. Also, some of the prices could be for used items (Amazon). This system, while it may be "outdated" in your opinion, would cost $1400 to build brand new. And THAT'S being generous on pricing. Not to mention, It'd be even more in the real world where most people still shop in person at retail stores, not online. With that new value established, $1000 may still be a little high, but it doesn't necessarily warrant your kind of a response... Its obviously a feeler post/he's not dead set on selling. And that's just fine. Just throwing in my 2 cents.

I dont think he has a clue at all about anything he talks about let alone you being lucky. Glad it worked out.

That one is my bad though. I thought it was used, but it appears to be new as you correctly stated. It's still sufficiently old enough tech (since it's non-upgrade-able) that I would have suggested something newer, but if it's new it's a good deal still. Please, ask your people. Lol. Those were honestly just suggestions I've heard and come across amongst the tech community from my peers and mentors. I've never actually had a problem with HQ chips and throttling myself. I've never had to turn it down or apply any of those fixes. In my opinion, their fine. It seems to be common in certain systems and configurations and as I said previously, your RAM plays a big part. Understandably It may be "old" by your standards, but a 5770 is whats "old" by mine, and as a business owner and certified IT Technician by trade I still see those daily in systems people use to play LOTS of popular and common games as well as tasks such as editing. The real world isn't the plethora of $2500 systems you see everyday on the internet. Lots of people have to make do. Your expectation are honestly set a little high, especially for a $1500 budget. Have you actually seen all of this specified hardware perform in different systems and configurations first hand? Its a little short sighted to take the full word, without consideration of the latter, of a guide or benchmark which most likely ran the chip or GPU for that matter in a single configuration, in a completely different system than the one I specified, over thousands of reviews left on the product by actual owners. We'd all like to live in a world where everyone can afford your taste in laptops . That Clevo is gorgeous I must say.

I'm not necessarily sure how it does it, whether its by "circumventing the power limitations" or not. But it does help to stop throttling. Not only does reducing the turbo frequency from max to 3.2ghz help but I also meant to imply that you could reduce the maximum processor state for the current power plan from %100 to combat what you specified. Do you mean second hand as in the Graphics Card is not the best or the item is used? From what I can see on my end it says "New" in the items posting. Not to mention, in my opinion, its Graphics Card is quite good. 3GB of GDDR5, sure the core clock is low (811) but you can boost it. It still has a solid memory interface and plenty of shaders/CUDA cores. Yeah it may not run AAA titles on ultra high... but it will easily push 60+ FPS on normal/medium-high settings. Everything aside though, all in all I agree with a lot more of what you have said.

I disagree with your opinion but I do agree with some of what you've said. However, Its marketed as a mid tier gaming laptop, capable of running AAA games at 60FPS+ and it has the reviews to back that up. I do completely hear what your saying about throttling when using turbo frequency's on HQ chips, it is common, your right there, but you can easily use throttlestop to avoid that AND if you don't max it out (e.g run it at 3.4ghz) it will usually be fine/not bottleneck your GPU at all. The frequency of you RAM can also have a big impact in that department. Here's some benchmarks in regards to the Y50 and G750JX. The G750JX is a much better laptop than you give it credit for.

I completely disagree, for that budget you could get something quite good. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Asus-G750JX-17-3-FHD-Gaming-Notebook-i7-4700HQ-32GB-Ram-256GB-SSD-2TB-HDD-/331488629302?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2e431236 That's pretty beastly spec wise in my opinion, given the price, especially.

Given that your asking Laptop or Desktop, I'm going to assume that a budget and price over performance isn't the main concern. My answer is Laptop as I get the impression from your question that you wont be gaming in the same place at the same desk all the time. You WILL spend a little more to get the same hardware/performance in a laptop, which is why most people are asking for your budget, but given the question I think your already leaning towards a laptop. If you want a desktop rig you want a desktop rig there is usually no conflict. If your questioning it and thinking about getting a Laptop that tells me that you know your going to be out and about a lot.