woll3

2 hours ago, nobelharvards said:

The most popular mice amongst non sponsored or no product placement contract CS:Go teams, are Zowie mice. 

 

Rival and Deathadder are both favoured for their comfortable large shells.

 

The Rival (and most of SteelSeries' mice) use a horribly inferior sensor. 

 

The Deathadder sensor can be perceived to be extremely responsive because of the s3989 high frame rate, 12 500 compared the pwm3310's 6500 or the 3366's 12 000, despite its extrapolated CPI steps. 

 

The lift off distance on the Deathadder is horrid. Something like 4 CDs. Not sure if it can be adjusted via Synapse. 

?

Rival(300) uses the same sensor , its all about Firmware , same with the DA, its not just the 3988 its also its Firmware. EC-1 is also ~100g just saying and the Zowies are having comparatively bad motion latency, due to bad FW, no SROM manioulation capabilities and a 10 year old controller, not a problem for CS though because you arent moving the mouse anyway.

Just now, nobelharvards said:

Whilst the G900 is an excellent technical achievement by Logitech, it will never be used for serious gaming. 

 

Look at any major Quake or Counter-Strike tournaments since the G900 was released and going forward, you will never see the G900 be used. 

 

The numbers are impressive, but none of the professionals will use it. Mainly because of the 107g weight.

Well, somebody has already used it at some major event, not following CS as i think its a lowbob preaim oneshot game(get triggered) so i cant remember who it was. Regardless DA and Rival are also widely used and are ~105g, not to mention that pros are often picking stuff for arbitrary reasons or dont know any alternatives.

Just now, Vicente Gomez said:

Hey Guys,

 

So I'm looking for a wireless gaming mouse to pair up with my gaming laptop. My budget is under $100. Thank you all in advanced for your recommendations! 

Under 100? Get a wired one instead or save up to a G900, everything else doesnt make much sense.

Region?

Just now, Heavy Duty in the Booty said:

I heard the final mouse classic ergo 2016 is like 74 grams 0.o

 

Is this true?

Nope, they lied, its around 85-90.

G100s without the internal weight is ~70g, old Abyssus as well.

80$ for 10 year old hardware with mediocre firmware,  and people are still buying it...

You could try to get your hands on the PAW 3307 which is a complete SoC,

Just now, Jonnyswboy said:

 

Not at all.

Anything is better than enCore III with 3310 and mediocre Firmware.

Just now, Jonnyswboy said:

Not really especially good for CS:GO. Seems kinda gimicky, RGB and 10k DPI lol.

Technically better than the Zowie´s though.

Just now, MenSuRx said:

Zowie mice, are just made for pure sensor performance.

I really want to know why people think that.....

Just now, HydraGaming said:

So many things about this post is wrong

 

1. Lower DPI usually comes with jitter which is not desired. Lower sensitivity however makes small movements easier to pull of with great precision.

 

Not from a hardware perspective in regards to optical Sensors(which obv. also includes A9800 and similar) as Array Size and resulting "Base CPI" are pretty low, in Case of all the A9800´s( which also means 3310 and 3988) for example it is slightly above 800 and subdivided from there on via the DSP, which also amplifies the noise and increases jitter.

If CPI are fitting for a players sensitivity is another topic.

Just now, QRCodeKiller said:

I don't know what prejudice you have against these mice but i would highly doubt your statement. Finalmouse has one of the most responsive sensors out there. They practically redesigned the 3310 to be best for FPS games, hence the crappy build quality.

If marketing tells you to jump out of the window you would probably jump without a second thought. Finalmouse has nothing done to the 3310 as everything has been done by Motospeed and they have used crappy and laggy bought in Firmware from E-Signal, which in total you can get for ~13$ per Unit, also what kind of logic says that performance means crappy build quality?

Just now, QRCodeKiller said:

Might have been your own unit that had a problem, but don't make up a statement because of that saying that these mice are crap because numbers show that they aren't.

Actually the numbers, facts and specs speak in my favor, but i guess you like to pay extra for outsourced solutions and ten year old hardware.

As for the pros, i personally was forced to use Ozone during ESL One because they paid for it, does that mean that everybody should buy from them? Ofc not.

Not to mention that FPS these days arent putting alot of requirements in terms of performance on anything, CSGO mostly requires low speed precision more than responsiveness, which frankly can be delivered by most mice.

Just now, QRCodeKiller said:

What? Out of all the mice out there currently being sold, Finalmouse has the best performance. Sure you will have to trade the build quality for performance though. Alcor 100% does not have advantages over the mice i have listed. They are the highest performing mice out there.

Are you drunk? Finalmouses FW causes the highest motion latency of all 3310 mice, Zowie is still using its 2010 Tech and has higher motion latency than most other options, not to mention that 3310´s biggest advantage goes to waste, Deathadder is decent but still limited by its MCU at 1000hz.

Just now, QRCodeKiller said:

No, if you want a good mouse for CSGO. Then stick to Logitech G303, Zowie FK or EC series, Finalmouse and maybe Razer Deathadder. I love my Zowie EC2-A and honestly its greatly improved my aim. Its performance is amazing and most pros are currently using Zowie mice. I personally haven't used the CM Storm Alcor but most people try to stay away from Cooler Master mices. Also as for performance i can tell you that the Alcor's sensor is not as good as the sensor of the mice i have listed.

WHich exactly is the problem, besides G303, the Alcor has an advantage over the others due to its FW and not using some cheap 8 bit MCU, not to mention that people need to really stop mentioning finalmouse.

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Now this isn't a knock on the mouse I'm using, but after installing its peripheral software, it told me it needed a firmware update. I'm just staring at the window going "why the hell does my mouse need a firmware update?" Next thing you know my keyboard will need a firmware update.

Why not? Bugs always need to be fixed, Performance can always be improved, Debounce times can be adjusted depending on how long the product is on the market etc., or would you rather buy the same mouse twice just for a firmware update, like with the Zowies?

Just now, Snooli said:

 

Besides, there isn't a cheaper 3310 mouse out there.

Which doesnt matter considering FW and ultracheap Holtek MCU, not to mention  that you can get far better hardware for the same or less.

Just now, djdelarosa25 said:

 

ikr. Not all people would spend money on crap with features that they wouldn't even use. I guess PC master race people have incredibly high standards for even the most basic of things.

More hype than anything else, if the standards would be high people wouldnt recommend 10 year old Hardware with high motion latency.

Just now, djdelarosa25 said:

which would be better, the Logitech G100s or the Kinzu V2?

The G100s, and as long as somebody doesnt need more than 3m/s it is a better choice than the Zowie´s performance wise anyway.

I still laugh about GmbH, when the company in reality is chinese through and through, also stolen ID and joke Firmwares.

Its A9800.

Just now, TrigrH said:

FYI if you don't play at low DPI none of this sensor stuff is really that important. 

Well especially if you play at/want to use high CPI it is important as different sensors have different array sizes and noise levels.

TBH besides Roccat KPM i wouldnt use any 3310, those 4ms extra with a unmodified SROM just make it overall too laggy for my taste, and i prefer 12000fps at higher speeds, which makes the 3988/3989 a better compromise for me, or actually even the 3050, i would prefer the AM010/3320 overall though if my sensitivity would be a bit higher.

3 hours ago, Pandalf said:

 is onboard memory

It saves CPI and Polling Rate, as for the OP, there already is the Mamba if you want a "Featurebomber".

There actually has been a new Deathadder, altough it is a low cost alternative without Sidebuttons and PMW3320 for the Asian Market.

Just now, HighRez said:

Hello! My deathadder chroma died on me last week. I'm wondering what good mouses are out there, that are reasonably priced (I don't have a specific budget) and have buttons similar to the deathadder chroma? I may buy another deathadder, but I'm wondering about options. The way I grip means that small paddles like what are on the G501 Proteus core won't work well for me. Any ideas appreciated, thanks

Reasonably priced DA alternatives? Cougar 550m and CM Storm Alcor,  Steelseries Rival 300 and Zowie EC1 are also options but pricing is far from reasonable given their Hardware. Gigabyte XM300 is a cheap option but has a wonky Firmware.

Just now, Moonzy said:

best gaming mouse:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

I mentioned it before, thats not a mouse, its a hamster.

Just now, Mantheturret said:

so the g502 and the death adder are both at the same price atm but idk which one to buy, ill be doing FPS like CS:GO but not really competitive, and ive heard very good reviews of both but ive also heard that razer products break so i have no idea which one to go on for this

It depends on what you are exactly looking for, while the G502 is the technically better option, the DA on the other might enable better "real world" performance due to its lower weight.

The best compromise would imo be the G402, it is as responsive as the G502 and lighter than the DA, only downside are the lower FPS and smaller array, which only affects you if you use above 2080cpi though, not to mention that its price to performance ratio cant be beaten.

If possible find a place where you can try the shapes to decide between the 3.0 like(which is Deathadder , EC1, Rival, 550m, etc.) and the Logitech shapes.

So, im getting the feeling that the owner doesnt know what to do, either they are focussing on Finalmouse, or on Feenix, but running both at the same time is just weird. Finalmouse´s existence in the first place is weird, but whatever, not my money.