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Budget (including currency): 3500-4000 $

Country: Romania

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 95% Blender(3D Modelling, Animations, a little bit of simulations and a lot of Cycles Rendering) and 5% DaVinci Resolve

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): Right now I'm using a Acer Predator G5-793 connected to an AOC Gaming AG322QC4 31.5" curved monitor (which I will be changing in the future and for the moment it can be removed from the ecuation).

 

Hello guys!
Last year I made a similar topic, only that because of the pandemic, I had to delay this PC Build. So here I am again, trying to figure out the best solution and I really need some help because I got really confused. A few words about the PC:

Its main purpose will be 3D modelling in Blender and rendering in Cycles. I plan on building at first a one GPU pc and later on to add another GPU. The main problem for the moment and the thing that confuses me the most is the motherboard and the SSD. Of course, being my first PC build, I also went a bit (more) for the looks.

 

Here is the part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2KJyMv

 

I thought of building the pc as you see in the part list and I choose Lian Li O11 because 1-looks and 2-when I'll be adding the 2nd GPU, I can also add a 2nd PSU just for it (I hope it doesn't sound too dumb but if it does please let me know 😄 )

 

Now, my biggest problem is the motherboard and the interaction between PCIE Lanes, 2 GPU's and the SSD's. I thought at first Aorus X570 PRO will be quite good, but I also found MSI MEG X570 Unify to be better, later on I discovered ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR and now ASUS Pro-WS-X570-ACE. So I don't know which one to choose or if there is a better suited motherboard for my needs, similarly priced as the ones mentioned. I am thinking that Ryzen 5900x has 24 PCIE lanes, 16 will be taken by the 2 GPU and if I add 2 SSD, they will take each 4 PCIE Lanes so in total I covered the 24 PCIE Lanes and I am not sure what will happen if I want to add a 3rd SSD. Also, since I didn't manage to research more, I don't even know what will happen if I want to add a SATA drive. So if anyone could recommend me a motherboard for the purpose I described earlier, that would be great.

 

Now, onto SSD's!

I noticed Samsung 980 PRO would be really fast. But I don't believe I need that kind of fast. Right now I'm using a small 256 Gb SSD as my Windows Drive and a 1 TB HDD and for me Blender moves just right. That's why I also thought that a 1TB Samsung 980 (not PRO), would be enough to start with. But I am not sure and yes, I would like something that could hold me for a while. I also noticed that SSD performance depends also on their size, meaning 500 GB Samsung 980 will have worse performance than 1TB Samsung 980. Because of this I was thinking of having a 1TB SSD for Windows, Blender, and a small database of textures and 3D models I can quickly import (Already done this on my laptop and it doesn't occupy that much space) and another 1TB SSD for projects I'm currently working on. In the end I would add a HDD for finished and closed projects that I won't be needing anytime soon. This would be my plan, so depending on this, which SSD's should I get? (Samsung 980 PRO is given as example here, I did it because I had no idea what other SSD's to name so I can explain my issue, I don't actually think I need it)

 

Thank you for taking the time to read all of this! Any suggestions would be appreciated! Also, if you find something wrong regarding the parts list, please let me know!

 

Thank you all!

 

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I recommend just using 1 good PSU instead of 2 lower wattage ones.

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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2 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

I recommend just using 1 good PSU instead of 2 lower wattage ones.

I thought of that too! I was thinking 2nd PSU would occupy the space Lian Li O11 has for the HDD and I would have nowhere to place it. PCPARTPICKER estimates around 964 W of power needed for Ryzen 5900X + 2x 3090 Founders Edition, so a PSU of 1200-1300W would be enough? (I don't plan on overclocking the GPU, I will only activate PBO for the CPU because coming from a laptop on which I do renders all night, temperatures are a real concern for me so I prefer everything being nice and cool 😄 )

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6 minutes ago, NoodleGangsta said:

I thought of that too! I was thinking 2nd PSU would occupy the space Lian Li O11 has for the HDD and I would have nowhere to place it. PCPARTPICKER estimates around 964 W of power needed for Ryzen 5900X + 2x 3090 Founders Edition, so a PSU of 1200-1300W would be enough? (I don't plan on overclocking the GPU, I will only activate PBO for the CPU because coming from a laptop on which I do renders all night, temperatures are a real concern for me so I prefer everything being nice and cool 😄 )

Yes that PSU would be enough.

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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3 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

Yes that PSU would be enough.

Alright, so in this case I'll be going with Seasonic PRIME 1300W Gold. I think it should be quite alright, judging by the options I have available in my country. Thank you for your input!

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PCPartPicker Part List: https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/list/mj2xz7

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (2400.00RON) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (530.45RON @ PC Garage) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (931.66RON @ PC Garage) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (960.00RON) 
Storage: Western Digital SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (768.41RON @ PC Garage) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card 
Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case  (650.00RON) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Platinum 1300 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (1576.89RON @ PC Garage) 
Case Fan: Lian Li Bora 57.2 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack  (225.00RON) 
Case Fan: Lian Li Bora 57.2 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack  (225.00RON) 
Total: 8267.41RON
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-07-11 18:17 EEST+0300

 

  • For cooling The arctic is better and cheaper according to Gamers Nexus.
  • For the MB I went with the tomahawk because it can handle the CPU and also cheaper and a little advice don't buy MB with fan on it like the aorus you put it because it will broke after a short while and you will need to replace it and it doesn't make much difference but also you can go with the MB you want.
  • For storage you can cancel it but you might need higher speed SSD.
  • For PSU I went with 1300w and you can go with 1200w .
  • Finally for case fans you wont need more than 6.
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36 minutes ago, Omar.B said:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/list/mj2xz7

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (2400.00RON) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (530.45RON @ PC Garage) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (931.66RON @ PC Garage) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (960.00RON) 
Storage: Western Digital SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (768.41RON @ PC Garage) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card 
Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case  (650.00RON) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Platinum 1300 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (1576.89RON @ PC Garage) 
Case Fan: Lian Li Bora 57.2 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack  (225.00RON) 
Case Fan: Lian Li Bora 57.2 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack  (225.00RON) 
Total: 8267.41RON
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-07-11 18:17 EEST+0300

 

  • For cooling The arctic is better and cheaper according to Gamers Nexus.
  • For the MB I went with the tomahawk because it can handle the CPU and also cheaper and a little advice don't buy MB with fan on it like the aorus you put it because it will broke after a short while and you will need to replace it and it doesn't make much difference but also you can go with the MB you want.
  • For storage you can cancel it but you might need higher speed SSD.
  • For PSU I went with 1300w and you can go with 1200w .
  • Finally for case fans you wont need more than 6.

Thank you for your time and effort!

 

1. I will still go with NZXT because even though I know ARCTIC is better (saw the GN review too), I believe X73 can do the job quite well, while also looking pretty and another point I would make is that in GN's review they're comparing Arctic to X72 , which uses older generation Asetek pump. I would've said NZXT also has 6 years warranty but it looks Arctic has the same 😄

 

2. Thank you for the suggestion of the SSD, I saw it too while researching and I was considering it, only that I wasn't sure about it. I'll wait a bit more , maybe some other folks might wanna recommend something else, otherwise I'll go with this one.

 

3. I will start with 6 case fans as well, to minimize the starting cost, but for the sake of uniformity and looks, I will add another set of Lian Li Bora 120 mm for the AIO, in a push-pull configuration

 

4. So I can consider also B550 chipset for this setup? Asking because I'm not sure what difference is between X570 and B550 and I've seen some good B550 motherboards but because I have no hands on experience it's harder for me to take a decision. Also, from what I know, only X570 chipset needs a fan, and they have a long life span, so I wouldn't worry about that. I'm more concerned about PCIE Lanes 😄

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26 minutes ago, NoodleGangsta said:

Thank you for your time and effort!

 

1. I will still go with NZXT because even though I know ARCTIC is better (saw the GN review too), I believe X73 can do the job quite well, while also looking pretty and another point I would make is that in GN's review they're comparing Arctic to X72 , which uses older generation Asetek pump. I would've said NZXT also has 6 years warranty but it looks Arctic has the same 😄

The arctic still quitter than the nzxt under full load but its still up to you.

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2. Thank you for the suggestion of the SSD, I saw it too while researching and I was considering it, only that I wasn't sure about it. I'll wait a bit more , maybe some other folks might wanna recommend something else, otherwise I'll go with this one.

you can go with gen 4 ssd if you want and I think other folks will agree unless somethin cheaper with same performance come out or they will recommend a gen 4 if needed.

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3. I will start with 6 case fans as well, to minimize the starting cost, but for the sake of uniformity and looks, I will add another set of Lian Li Bora 120 mm for the AIO, in a push-pull configuration

I see.

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4. So I can consider also B550 chipset for this setup? Asking because I'm not sure what difference is between X570 and B550 and I've seen some good B550 motherboards but because I have no hands on experience it's harder for me to take a decision. Also, from what I know, only X570 chipset needs a fan, and they have a long life span, so I wouldn't worry about that. I'm more concerned about PCIE Lanes 😄

some MB advice : X570 TUF , X570 UNIFY , X570 prime pro , X570 TAICHI 

the taichi have a support for sli but I didnt check on the others

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