building new pc

[zakusa]

hi, im building a new pc and i would like to get the best parts at or near this price. do you guys have any suggestions with what i have or something i should change in this build? im ok with increasing the price of this pc by 50-100$ if it will help it perform better.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$409.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	Thermaltake - CLP0556-B 39.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler	$10.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$119.79 @ OutletPC
Storage	Samsung - 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$67.99 @ B&H
Storage	Seagate - FireCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive	$89.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING OC WHITE Video Card	$739.99 @ Newegg
Case	NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$69.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1618.42
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$1578.42
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-05 16:40 EDT-0400

 

[Fasauceome]

New Ryzen soon, worth the wait if you're patient.

 

What's the use case for this PC?

[zakusa]

i see intel always winning against ryzen in benchmarks so i dont know. if it will be released in like 1 or 2 weeks ill wait. also ill use the computer for gaming, multitasking, working and stuff like that. like school work, visual studio programming c++, python scripting, steam gaming, emulation ( wii u emulation, wii emulation, PSP )

[Fasauceome]

7 minutes ago, zakusa said:

i see intel always winning against ryzen in benchmarks so i dont know. if it will be released in like 1 or 2 weeks ill wait. also ill use the computer for gaming, multitasking, working and stuff like that. like school work, visual studio programming c++, python scripting, steam gaming, emulation ( wii u emulation, wii emulation, PSP )

Make sure you quote people or @ them so they see your response.

 

Right now Intel is better but new AMD processors will either tie or be faster, or just force Intel's prices down due to competition. They're due in a couple months so if you can't wait then your list will do. However, your SSD is more expensive than you need, you can get a SATA SSD instead of NVMe to see the same performance since you can't take advantage of the extra speed for your use cases. Also, the CXm is a bit of a budget PSU so if you want you can opt for Corsair's higher end models like the TXM or RMX.

 

And you're gonna need a much better CPU cooler.

[LukeSavenije]

cooler is as bad as a intel stock, motherboard will have a hard time keeping up, 9700k isn't worth it compared to a 8700k, 970 evo isn't necessary, firecuda is overpriced, vii is faster for your workloads and costs less, h500 isn't the best for airflow, cxm has whining issues with anything higher than a 1070 and there's better for the money

 

my take:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor	$369.99 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$159.99 @ Amazon
Storage	HP - EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$57.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$59.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	XFX - Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card	$679.99 @ Amazon
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox MB511 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case	$51.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair - TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$63.97 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1563.80
	Mail-in rebates	-$35.00
	Total	$1528.80
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-05 17:05 EDT-0400

 

[zakusa]

• @fasauceomeok,

right now i have a SSHD from my old computer i bought it about 1 or 2 years ago and i want to use it on this new pc. i feel like i can store all my games on the sshd and all my work on the 970 evo plus. also why won't i see extra speed in my cases? ? also i dont know which cpu cooler to get. i see many that look very good but are expensive. i want one that has very good cooling.

 

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-RM650x-Certified-Modular-Supply/dp/B079H6111J/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=RMX+650&qid=1557090785&s=gateway&sr=8-2

 

how's this power supply?

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, zakusa said:

right now i have a SSHD from my old computer i bought it about 1 or 2 years ago and i want to use it on this new pc. i feel like i can store all my games on the sshd and all my work on the 970 evo plus. also why won't i see extra speed in my cases?

NVMe SSD speeds only are noticable when you're handling maybe files, so the use cases that matter with those speeds are things like video editing with huge files or photo editing with large images, otherwise things like load times in video games are basically unaffected. Something like the 860 Evo would be nice instead, to save money.

 

2 minutes ago, zakusa said:

also i dont know which cpu cooler to get. i see many that look very good but are expensive. i want one that has very good cooling.

Can't get a cheap cooler that's also great, you can opt for the dark rock slim which is great or the Arctic freezer esports 33 which is $35 to $40. 

 

3 minutes ago, zakusa said:

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-RM650x-Certified-Modular-Supply/dp/B079H6111J/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=RMX+650&qid=1557090785&s=gateway&sr=8-2

 

how's this power supply

Quite good, that's usually my go to recommendation for a high end system, or the bitfenix Formula gold.

[zakusa]

@fasauceome i mean the samsung 970 evo has very fast boot speed. i didnt see a windows logo on this guys boot. i will also be doing lots of programming and debugging, and the faster the better. im okay with having slow game load times i guess. i saw that as you fill a SSD the performs slow downs and it wears out faster. so it probably would be best to use SSHD for game storage and to get the 970 evo plus. the 970 evo plus is only 69$ for 250gb so its ok.

 

i also looked into cpu coolers and found this one

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Freezer-eSports-DUO-Configuration/dp/B07MM215VV/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1_sspa?keywords=Arctic+freezer+esports&qid=1557091876&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull-spons&psc=1

i guess i can go for this one

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, zakusa said:

i mean the samsung 970 evo has very fast boot speed. i

Trust me, if you're getting NVMe for boot times you're gonna be disappointed. It's not date than a standard SATA SSD. Although

 

2 minutes ago, zakusa said:

970 evo plus is only 69$ for 250gb

That's not a bad price so it wouldn't matter much I suppose. You just won't see the benefit if you're paying more for it than the alternative.

 

3 minutes ago, zakusa said:

also looked into cpu coolers and found this one

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Freezer-eSports-DUO-Configuration/dp/B07MM215VV/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1_sspa?keywords=Arctic+freezer+esports&qid=1557091876&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull-spons&psc=1

i guess i can go for this one

This would cool your CPU adequately.

[zakusa]

@fasauceomei mean i looked at samsung 860 evo but its only like 10$ less. im okay with paying 10$ if i will notice a difference. also i will use it for more than boot time. it would be good to have a overall increase in performance on the computer. also what do you mean by "date than a standard ssd"? i dont know what date means.

[Fasauceome]

Just now, zakusa said:

date than a standard ssd

That was a typo I didn't catch,

 

"It's not faster than a standard SSD" 

 

NVMe looks great on paper, but in practice, you'd never know the difference unless handling massive files.

[zakusa]

@fasauceomesorry i never used a SSD before i used HDD and it took long to open applications and boot so i dont know much. anyways is samsung 970 evo plus really not worth just 10$ more than the 860 evo. will there really be no performance difference? if there is at least some im okay with adding 10$ to the 970 evo plus

[Fasauceome]

Just now, zakusa said:

if there is at least some im okay with adding 10$ to the 970 evo plus

Maybe it's worth it as a status symbol, $10 more for that much fancier a spec sheet, and if you ever venture into photo or video editing, maybe you'll enjoy the slight speed increase. If it really appeals to you, might as well get it.

[zakusa]

@fasauceome

ok thank you for the suggestions. it looks like im done with my build

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$409.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler	$39.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$119.79 @ OutletPC
Storage	Samsung - 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$67.99 @ B&H
Storage	Seagate - FireCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive	$89.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING OC WHITE Video Card	$739.99 @ Newegg
Case	NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$93.98 @ Newegg Business
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1651.51
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1631.51
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-05 18:07 EDT-0400

 

[Fasauceome]

15 minutes ago, zakusa said:

ok thank you for the suggestions. it looks like im done with my build

looks good, don't forget about @LukeSavenije's suggestion of the Radeon VII

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/s2Jtt6/xfx-radeon-vii-16-gb-video-card-rx-vegma3fd6

[jerubedo]

16 minutes ago, zakusa said:

@fasauceome

ok thank you for the suggestions. it looks like im done with my build

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$409.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler	$39.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$119.79 @ OutletPC
Storage	Samsung - 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$67.99 @ B&H
Storage	Seagate - FireCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive	$89.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING OC WHITE Video Card	$739.99 @ Newegg
Case	NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$93.98 @ Newegg Business
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1651.51
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1631.51
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-05 18:07 EDT-0400

 

Don't go with that motherboard. If you need to keep the price around there, switch to the Gigabyte Z390 UD for better VRMs and more phases, but honestly for the 9700K I recommend the Aorus Pro.

[LukeSavenije]

19 minutes ago, zakusa said:

Motherboard MSI - Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $119.79 @ OutletPC

I'd recommend against that...

 

19 minutes ago, zakusa said:

 Case NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case $69.99 @ Amazon

meh airflow

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, jerubedo said:

Don't go with that motherboard. If you need to keep the price around there, switch to the Gigabyte Z390 UD for better VRMs and more phases, but honestly for the 9700K I recommend the Aorus Pro.

ud has 105 degrees Celsius vrms tho... I'd say aorus elite

[jerubedo]

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

ud has 105 degrees Celsius vrms tho... I'd say aorus elite

Yep, that's why I said if he needs to keep it at that price. Elite is good, but the pro is only $10 more, no reason in my eyes not to go with the pro then.

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

Yep, that's why I said if he needs to keep it at that price. Elite is good, but the pro is only $10 more, no reason in my eyes not to go with the pro then.

about the same, pro is mostly a add of features compared to the elite

 

both have the same vrm

[zakusa]

i cant use amd actually because it doesnt support game streaming onto a tablet. anyways whats wrong with the motherboard? why do you want me to go with 8700k instead of 9700k it gives more performance? the motherboard wont give additional fps

[jerubedo]

8 minutes ago, zakusa said:

anyways whats wrong with the motherboard?

Weak VRMS with less phases that will likely thermal throttle the 9700K, especially if you try and overclock it. The heatsink over the VRMs is also weaker on that board, making it worse. I honestly wouldn't put anything more than a locked i5 in that board.

 

8 minutes ago, zakusa said:

the motherboard wont give additional fps

It will if it's one that isn't thermal throttling vs one that is.

[zakusa]

@jerubedook well im looking at these two motherboards. do you know which i should get. im not going to be doing any overclocking because im a scaredy cat who thinks the pc will burn out.

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z390-UD-LGA1151-Motherboard/dp/B07HS59X7P/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=Gigabyte+Z390+UD&qid=1557096964&s=gateway&sr=8-2

 

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z390-AORUS-PRO-Motherboard/dp/B07HRZRBRJ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Aorus+pro&qid=1557096888&s=gateway&sr=8-1

 

like how much will i benefit from the aorus pro

 

sorry for long replies im doing lots of research on it 

[jerubedo]

22 minutes ago, zakusa said:

@jerubedook well im looking at these three motherboards. do you know which i should get. im not going to be doing any overclocking because im a scaredy cat who thinks the pc will burn out.

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z390-UD-LGA1151-Motherboard/dp/B07HS59X7P/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=Gigabyte+Z390+UD&qid=1557096964&s=gateway&sr=8-2

 

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z390-AORUS-PRO-Motherboard/dp/B07HRZRBRJ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Aorus+pro&qid=1557096888&s=gateway&sr=8-1

 

like how much will i benefit from the aorus pro

 

sorry for long replies im doing lots of research on it 

the UD SHOULD be able to maintain the 9700K's boost clocks assuming "normal" ambient temperatures and some extra indirect cooling from the CPU cooler. Going to the pro will give you additional headroom, and it also will let you OC if you ever do change your mind in the future, which you might. That said, the choice is yours with those facts.

 

EDIT: I made a small mistake before in saying that the pro was only $10 more than the Elite. It's actually a $20 difference right now. That being said, the Elite might be a more justifiable middle ground as it's $45 more than the UD as opposed to $65 more.

[zakusa]

@jerubedoi mean i guess ill go with the UD. i can get the AORUS pro if its really worth the money but i won't do overclocking. Im scared to overclock because i dont know when to stop increasing the power. im getting a rtx 2080 OC ( where it comes overclocked ) by the way. do you think its worth getting the AORUS pro in my case?