Yoshi Moshi

Get in line quick while you can still get one. That is all.

Exactly, even the consoles, the baseline, have more VRAM than the 3080 10 GB. We know that's not all for rendering images on the display, but how much is necessary for the OS and other tasks, probably not 6 GB. Even a more complicated OS like windows 10 doesn't use that much memory at ideal. The consoles are expected to last a few years, not one generation of graphics card. So they are built with that in mind, probably a 4 year life span. They have 16 GB as a result to get through the next four years of 4k gaming.

Even under the condition that the 3080 20 GB model equals the cost of the 3080 10 GB (which would be insane, but for the sake of argument). It would still be cheaper to get a 3090. By the time you finish buying and selling two cards vs one, it would have been cheaper just to get a 3090, even if a 3080 10 GB + a 3080 20 GB is a $100 cheaper than a 3090. I really don't think that the 3080 20 GB is going to be cheaper than the 3080 10 GB, but I guess there's a small chance. I reckon Nvidia knows what they are doing, and clearly see the need for cards with more memory, and think they can make money off it. If 10 GB was enough, and Nvidia couldn't make money of cards with more VRAM, then the cards wouldn't exist. Even the 3070 16 GB version (the value card, the ##70 class) the most popular card, will have 16 GB of VRAM which is more than the 3080 10 GB. The 3070 16 GB is not for enthusiast but the value option. The value option will have more VRAM than the 3080 10 GB. They clearly see the need for more memory than 10 GB when the value option will have more than 10 GB.

Here's my logic for getting a 3090. It's quite simple really, the ratioanle to get a 3090. The math behind it is not hard to understand. If you game at 4k ultra. 10 GB is "just enough" VRAM in 2020, but likely won't be in 2021. Even the release of CyberPunk 2077 in November might push you over the edge of 10 GB. Nvidia knows it's an issue, hence why they have the 3070 16 GB and the 3080 20 GB ready to go! Nvidia thinks they can make a product by selling the video cards with more memory than they have now. I bet that they know what there doing, and will make money off of us if they can. Even the value option the 70 class, RTX 3070 16 GB will have more than 10 GB. That's not for enthusiast to have something they don't need, but the majority of customers seeking good value. Cost of a 3080 10 GB in 2020 of $699 + cost of a 3080 20 GB in 2021 > RTX 3090 in 2020 Under the condition that the RTX 3080 20 GB is > $800 (only a price increase of $100), which I think it will be, probably much more like in the $1000 range. Enough said. Would you rather take the hit buying and selling + shipping one graphics card or two? Regardless of that even, If the 3080 20 GB is north of $800 (I think it will be much more than that), it would have been cheaper to just get a 3090. SLI is dead. Even if the 3080 20 GB equals the price of the 3080 10 GB (which there's a slim chance that's going to happen) by the time you buy, sell and ship, two graphics cards vs a single 3090, it would have been cheaper to just get a 3090. There's a slim chance that the 3080 20 GB will be cheaper than the 3080 10 GB, but we all know that's not going to happen. It will likely cost more than $699, adding on $100 would seem like a good place to start, probably won't be less than that, probably much more than that though. Think about it logically here guys. Getting a single 3090 just makes more sense financially instead of getting a 3080 10 GB + a 3080 20 GB.

Cost of a 3080 10 GB in 2020 + cost of a 3080 20 GB in 2021 > RTX 3090 in 2020 Under the condition that the RTX 3080 20 GB is > $800 (increase of only $100), which I think it will be, probably much more like in the $1000 range. Enough said. Would you rather take the hit buying and selling + shipping one graphics card or two? If the 3080 is north of $800, it would have been cheaper to just get a 3090.

Buy RTX 3080 10 GB now in 2020 for $699, sell for $X when RTX 3070 Ti/Super 16 GB comes out = Loss of $699 - $X Buy a RTX 3080 T/Super 20 GBi in 2021 for $A Sell RTX 3080 T/Super 20 GBi in 2022 for $Y to buy a RTX 4080 = Loss of $A - $Y Total Loss = $699 - $X + $A - $Y Buy a RTX 3090 now in 2020 for $1,499 Sell RTX 3090 in 2022 when RTX $4090 is announced for $Z = Loss $1,499 - $Z Will this be true??? $699 - $X + $A - $Y > $1,499 - $Z

10 GB of VRAM at 4K ultra is fine for now, but do you think it will be in 2021? The consoles have 16 GB of RAM total. I know that this is total system memory. But how much of that RAM do you think is used for something other than rendering images on the display? I fear that the consoles having 16 GB of RAM total will allow games to be developed for console using more than 10 GB of VRAM, and then even more so on PC if you play 4K ultra. I agree it's fine for now, but I don't think this will be the case next year. I'm even worried that CyberPunk 2077, which is supposed to have the most RTX features and more graphically demanding than Control, might take up more than 10 GB of VRAM on 4k Ultra. Andy CyberPunk 2077 is coming out in November of this year.

Buy RTX 3080 now in 2020 for $699, sell for $X when RTX 3070 Ti comes out = Loss of $699 - $X Buy a RTX 3080 Ti in 2021 for $699 (I think it will cost more) Sell RTX 3080 Ti in 2022 for $Y to buy a RTX 4080 = Loss of $699 - $Y Total Loss = $699 - $X + $699 - $Y Buy a RTX 3090 now in 2020 for $1,499 Sell RTX 3090 in 2022 when RTX $4### is announced for $Z = Loss $1,499 - $Z Will this be true??? $699 - $X + $699 - $Y > $1,499 - $Z

Your right I jumped the gun a bit. I'm sure you have seen this article? https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75244/gigabyte-confirms-geforce-rtx-3080-with-20gb-model-3070-16gb/index.html RTX 3070 Ti with 16 GB of VRAM is confirmed by Gigabyte by accident. This will likely be released in 2021. When it does, it will tank the value of the RTX 3080 with 10 GB of VRAM. I still would not be surprised if the RTX 3070 Ti 16 GB is released for $499 (although I still think it will cost more because it's a "Ti" card and not a "Super" card) in 2021, that a RTX 3080 with 10 GB VRAM would take a hit to the less than $400 range, but this all speculation. The 3070 Ti would have 60 % more VRAM than the RTX 3080, which is significant, so I suspect a good hit in the value of the card. Or could just avoid this issue all together for the whole generation by spending $1,499 on the RTX 3090, taking the hit on only a single graphics card, and not two.

I was also thinking this, but we know the "Ti" nomenclature exists for the #3000 series and not "Super", right? Have "Ti" cards ever cost the same as non-Ti variants? No. We have only seen the same cost for "Super' cards over the regular version. I would really like to believe that the RTX 3080 Ti with 20 GB of VRAM cost the same as the RTX 3080 of $699. But looking at the scheme so far, I'm afraid that the RTX 3080 Ti will equal the cost of the RTX 2080 Ti. But lets say your right, it costs the same, which I'm still not convinced that it will. You pay $699 now for a RTX 3080. The RTX 3060 Ti is released a year from now with 10 GB of VRAM for $349. This would tank the value of the RTX 3080. So would sell it for probably a little less than $349, and buy a RTX 3080 Ti with 20 GB of VRAM for $699. Then a year after that the RTX 4### series is released and you take another hit on the RTX 3080 Ti. Or you could just get a RTX 3090 now for $1,499, have it last the whole generation until 2022. Take the hit on a single graphics card, instead of two between now and the RTX 4### series. Not sure, it's a very interesting thing to ponder, what is the best thing to do.

For those who don't know, the same Chinese company hat leaked the RTX 3080 gaming benchmarks before the review embargo was officially lifted, have now leaked RTX 3090 gaming benchmarks. The benchmarks reveal that the RTX 3090 provides about an additional 10 % FPS gain over the RTX 3080 at 4K. This is pretty underwhelming performance gain for the RTX 3090 of 10 % over the RTX 3080 considering that it costs ~ 115 % more. The difference in performance is so small, that in some games it's less than 10 FPS difference, single digits. Such a difference in performance would most likely be not noticeable to most people. Seems to me that the only reason to get the 3090 is the additional VRAM. The consensus seems to be that 10 GB is "just enough" for 4K gaming on ultra settings for AAA, games for now. If what happens last generation occurs this generation, this generation of cards will last for two years. With refresher cards coming out in 2021, but the top gaming card, RTX 3090, will remain the top card for the whole generation. The RTX 2080 Ti was the top gaming card for two years, even with the Super cards. The leaks suggest that this will happen again. Except this time we will have "Ti" and not "Super" cards. Super cards for the 2### series had the same price as the original cards, however "Ti" cards have yet to have the same price as the original cards. Meaning the price of the 2080 Ti was not the same price of the 2080. However the price of the RTX 2080 Super was the same price as the RTX 2080. The naming of RTX 3070 Ti has leaked, so this confirms this if it's true. The leak suggests that the cards will have double the VRAM. This is probably necessary, because AAA games between now and the 4### series cards will require more than 10 GB of VRAM. What is the the big marketing scheme behind the 3### series? Same cost as the 2### series but much more performance. Lets look at the historical MSRP, and we will see that this is true. RTX 2060 = RTX 2060 Super = $349 RTX 2070 = RTX 2070 Super = RTX 3070 = $499 RTX 2080 = RTX 2080 Super = RTX 3080 = $699 RTX 2080 Ti = $1,199 RTX 3090 = $1,499 RTX Titian = $2,499 Well this suggests that the RTX 3080 Ti with 20 GB will have the same price as the RTX 2080 Ti perhaps of $1,199. So what do you think of the underwhelming 10 % performance improvement of the RTX 3090 over the RTX 3080 at a ~ 115 % increase in cost. Are you persuaded to get a RTX 3090 knowing that it will have more than enough VRAM until the RTX 4### series comes out, while the RTX 3080 probably won't have enough VRAM at 4K ultra, creating a need for 20 GB RTX 3080 Ti? If following along with the scheme of the RTX 3### series of being the same cost as the RTX 2#### series, but so much more performance, and the RTX 3080 Ti is $1,199, do you think you should just get a RTX 3090 now and not have to get another card in a year? Do you consider the difference between the RTX 3090 and the alleged price of the RTX 3080 Ti of only $300? Do you consider the RTX 3080 will drop in value like a rock when the RTX 3080 Ti comes out. Perhaps it makes more sense, in terms of saving the most money, to just get a RTX 3090 now and sell it when the RTX 4### series comes out, instead of getting a RTX 3080 now, selling it for a great loss in a year for a RTX 3080 Ti, than taking another hit a year later when the RTX 4### series comes out? What are your thoughts on the leaked benchmarks? If you should get a RTX 3090 now and sell it in two years, instead of a RTX 3080 and sell it in a year + a RTX 3080 Super and sell it in a year?

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20 GB, but at that point you might as well as get 3090

3090 = second coming of christ Some people are already in line

just get a $3090 so you don't have to worry

your lucky if that goes through, that is one of the few ones that there's already a WB for! I'm afraid if I don't get one on launch, it will be next year (literally) before inventory stabilizes and I'll be to get one without camping out. People are more less treating this as the second coming of christ and camping out hours and hours in advance.

is there a line yet for the 3090 at any locations?

Microcenter opens at 10 AM. I want to ensure I get a 3090. How early do you think I should get there to get a card?

Second the PSU. Although 750 should be fine, I think. Put your parts into PC part picker and see estimated power draw for your computer When I had this issue, it was because power supply to small. So in high graphically demanding situations in games, GPU drawing higher than normal power, PC would freeze up or shutdown completely. Got larger power supply, problem went away.

Line for 3090 already long line a week in advance lol. I'm never going to get one. whxo1c7j47hx.webp

The 3080 line is cleared at MC, and now another line is already forming lol

Somebody took a crap while waiting in line outside of MC inside their tent. Now it stinks bad. The people next to him wouldn't save his spot. He had to go so he had to do what he had to do. I'm going to bring toilet paper and a tent for the 3090 just incase I'm in the same boat.

less than 20 per store is what they expect, but they don't know more, specific store workers might be able to know though

Also FYI, some locations had people in line sense yesterday

you can when there's the 3090