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Yoshi Moshi

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  1. I think this will change with the $500 consoles being 4k machines, it drove me to get a 4k monitor.
  2. I get your point, and can see where your coming from. I guess it all depends on what the resell prices will be, which we have no way of knowing. All we can do is look at similar situations: The purchase price and resell value of the RTX 2080 when the RTX 2080 Super came out. The purchase price of and resell value of a RTX 2080 Super when RTX 3### series was announced. Vs The purchase price and resell value of the RTX 2080 Ti when RTX 3### series. I guess we have no way of knowing the resell values of the RTX 3080 10 GB, RTX 3080 20 GB, and RTX 3090 will be.
  3. I agree buying every card that is better every time you a better card comes out you will spend a lot of money. And if you want to play 4k ultra, and you buy a RTX 3080 now, you'll have to buy another card next year.
  4. You sell your 10GB for $550 next year and buy the 20GB (so you've spent $1050) - Disagree, $699 - $550 = Loss of $149 I assume your going with RTX 3080 having a MSRP of $1000? I can't tell from your post, but $1,000 seems reasonable. You sell your 20GB for $750 in 2022 (this card is just one year old and has a ton of VRAM, remember) $1,000 - $750 = Loss of $250 Total Lost: $300 - Disagree, $149 + $250 = $399 People realize it isn't that much better than the 20GB 3080, so it isn't worth as much as you might think. You sell your 3090 for $1100 Total Lost: $400 - Yes So buying two 3080 cost you more money when you consider shipping two video cards over one, insurance on the package, signature required vs one. Unless you want to take the risk of shipping a $750 item to a customer that may claim they never got it, or the post office losses it. We can guess what the resell prices will be, to argue one way or the other, but my bet is that buying one card over two will be cheaper. $699 + (some cost greater than >$800.01) > $1,499 Buying two 3080s over a 3090 Overall purchase price There only has to be a $101.01 price increase for the RTX 3080 20 GB for you to overall spend more money on two cards vs one if you buy a RTX 3080 10 GB in 2020 for $699
  5. Buy RTX 3080 10 GB in 2020 for $699 Buy RTX 3080 20 GB in 2021 for > $700.01 Sell your RTX 3080 10 GB in 2021 Sell your RTX 3080 20 GB in 2022 Above will cost more than below, in terms over how much money you spent vs what you get back from selling your cards. Buy RTX 3090 in 2020 for $1,499 Sell RTX 3090 in 2022 Do you disagree, and if so why?
  6. Watch Dogs Legions comes with the RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 as a free game bundle when you purchase the card. The irony behind it is that if you have a 3080 10 GB, you don't meet the minimum VRAM requirements to play the game at 4k Ultra, per the developer's recommended specifications to do so, 11 GB is recommended. Look under 4k ultra with ray tracing on. If you want to play 4k ultra from now until the RTX 4### series, it will likely be cheaper for you to get the RTX 3090 now in 2020 over the RTX 3080 10 GB in 2020. Nvidia is releasing a RTX 3070 16 GB and a RTX 3080 20 GB in 2021. The value card RTX 3070 16 GB to be released in 2021 will have more VRAM than the RTX 3080 10 GB. Nvidia clearly believes that 10 GB is not enough VRAM if the most popular card in 2021 is going to have 16 GB of VRAM. Nvidia likely knows what they are doing, and limited the RTX 3080 to 10 GB so that way they can sell us a card in 2021 with more VRAM. Yes the RTX 3090 is expensive, but consider this. If you get the RTX 3080 10 GB VRAM in 2020 for $699, and decide that 10 GB of VRAM is no longer enough VRAM for 4k ultra (this will be the case in a few weeks actually) and upgrade to the RTX 3080 20 GB in 2021, it only has to cost $101.01 more to have it cost more than the RTX 3090. I suspect the RTX 3080 20 GB will have a price increase of more than $101.01 over the RTX 3080 10 GB. This will especially be the case when you consider reselling two video cards over one. RTX 3080 10 GB for $699 in 2020 + RTX 3080 20 GB in 2021 > RTX 3090 in 2020 for $1,499 It's ironic because this game comes with the RTX 3080 10 GB, and it doesn't meet the requirements for 4k ultra. Between now and the RTX 4### series, it's likely that playing the latest games at 4k ultra with ray tracing on will require even more than 11 GB of VRAM.
  7. Yes I used the buttons physically located beneath the monitor, behind the screen on the bottom (not software buttons, but physical push buttons). Still couldn't get 144 Hz How do I create the custom profile?
  8. I did. I pushed buttons on the monitor itself, located physically at the bottom of the monitor. I went down to settings, then went to the second page, and turned 144 Hz from off to On. Just like in the video. Is this what you mean by monitors menu?
  9. I have the following monitor CG437K, which appeared on Linus Tech Tips on Youtube. He goes over it at about 5:30 time frame in the video below. Here's the information on my RIG that I'm using to drive this display Motherboard: ASUS X570 ROG Strix e-gaming RAM: 32 GB 3200 MHz CPU: AMD 3900X GPU: Asus TUF 3090 Power Supply: 1000 W Storage: 1 TB Sargent PCIE 4.0 I try and following the video. I have two display port cables going from my 3090 to the monitor. I get 120 Hz at 4k no issues. It shows up as only one monitor now. However in Nvidia control panel I still have 120 Hz However I noticed that if I go down to 1920x1440p I have the option for 144 Hz. How do I get 144 Hz at 4K though?
  10. Get in line quick while you can still get one. That is all.
  11. Exactly, even the consoles, the baseline, have more VRAM than the 3080 10 GB. We know that's not all for rendering images on the display, but how much is necessary for the OS and other tasks, probably not 6 GB. Even a more complicated OS like windows 10 doesn't use that much memory at ideal. The consoles are expected to last a few years, not one generation of graphics card. So they are built with that in mind, probably a 4 year life span. They have 16 GB as a result to get through the next four years of 4k gaming.
  12. Even under the condition that the 3080 20 GB model equals the cost of the 3080 10 GB (which would be insane, but for the sake of argument). It would still be cheaper to get a 3090. By the time you finish buying and selling two cards vs one, it would have been cheaper just to get a 3090, even if a 3080 10 GB + a 3080 20 GB is a $100 cheaper than a 3090. I really don't think that the 3080 20 GB is going to be cheaper than the 3080 10 GB, but I guess there's a small chance. I reckon Nvidia knows what they are doing, and clearly see the need for cards with more memory, and think they can make money off it. If 10 GB was enough, and Nvidia couldn't make money of cards with more VRAM, then the cards wouldn't exist. Even the 3070 16 GB version (the value card, the ##70 class) the most popular card, will have 16 GB of VRAM which is more than the 3080 10 GB. The 3070 16 GB is not for enthusiast but the value option. The value option will have more VRAM than the 3080 10 GB. They clearly see the need for more memory than 10 GB when the value option will have more than 10 GB.
  13. Here's my logic for getting a 3090. It's quite simple really, the ratioanle to get a 3090. The math behind it is not hard to understand. If you game at 4k ultra. 10 GB is "just enough" VRAM in 2020, but likely won't be in 2021. Even the release of CyberPunk 2077 in November might push you over the edge of 10 GB. Nvidia knows it's an issue, hence why they have the 3070 16 GB and the 3080 20 GB ready to go! Nvidia thinks they can make a product by selling the video cards with more memory than they have now. I bet that they know what there doing, and will make money off of us if they can. Even the value option the 70 class, RTX 3070 16 GB will have more than 10 GB. That's not for enthusiast to have something they don't need, but the majority of customers seeking good value. Cost of a 3080 10 GB in 2020 of $699 + cost of a 3080 20 GB in 2021 > RTX 3090 in 2020 Under the condition that the RTX 3080 20 GB is > $800 (only a price increase of $100), which I think it will be, probably much more like in the $1000 range. Enough said. Would you rather take the hit buying and selling + shipping one graphics card or two? Regardless of that even, If the 3080 20 GB is north of $800 (I think it will be much more than that), it would have been cheaper to just get a 3090. SLI is dead. Even if the 3080 20 GB equals the price of the 3080 10 GB (which there's a slim chance that's going to happen) by the time you buy, sell and ship, two graphics cards vs a single 3090, it would have been cheaper to just get a 3090. There's a slim chance that the 3080 20 GB will be cheaper than the 3080 10 GB, but we all know that's not going to happen. It will likely cost more than $699, adding on $100 would seem like a good place to start, probably won't be less than that, probably much more than that though. Think about it logically here guys. Getting a single 3090 just makes more sense financially instead of getting a 3080 10 GB + a 3080 20 GB.
  14. Cost of a 3080 10 GB in 2020 + cost of a 3080 20 GB in 2021 > RTX 3090 in 2020 Under the condition that the RTX 3080 20 GB is > $800 (increase of only $100), which I think it will be, probably much more like in the $1000 range. Enough said. Would you rather take the hit buying and selling + shipping one graphics card or two? If the 3080 is north of $800, it would have been cheaper to just get a 3090.
  15. Buy RTX 3080 10 GB now in 2020 for $699, sell for $X when RTX 3070 Ti/Super 16 GB comes out = Loss of $699 - $X Buy a RTX 3080 T/Super 20 GBi in 2021 for $A Sell RTX 3080 T/Super 20 GBi in 2022 for $Y to buy a RTX 4080 = Loss of $A - $Y Total Loss = $699 - $X + $A - $Y Buy a RTX 3090 now in 2020 for $1,499 Sell RTX 3090 in 2022 when RTX $4090 is announced for $Z = Loss $1,499 - $Z Will this be true??? $699 - $X + $A - $Y > $1,499 - $Z
  16. 10 GB of VRAM at 4K ultra is fine for now, but do you think it will be in 2021? The consoles have 16 GB of RAM total. I know that this is total system memory. But how much of that RAM do you think is used for something other than rendering images on the display? I fear that the consoles having 16 GB of RAM total will allow games to be developed for console using more than 10 GB of VRAM, and then even more so on PC if you play 4K ultra. I agree it's fine for now, but I don't think this will be the case next year. I'm even worried that CyberPunk 2077, which is supposed to have the most RTX features and more graphically demanding than Control, might take up more than 10 GB of VRAM on 4k Ultra. Andy CyberPunk 2077 is coming out in November of this year.
  17. Buy RTX 3080 now in 2020 for $699, sell for $X when RTX 3070 Ti comes out = Loss of $699 - $X Buy a RTX 3080 Ti in 2021 for $699 (I think it will cost more) Sell RTX 3080 Ti in 2022 for $Y to buy a RTX 4080 = Loss of $699 - $Y Total Loss = $699 - $X + $699 - $Y Buy a RTX 3090 now in 2020 for $1,499 Sell RTX 3090 in 2022 when RTX $4### is announced for $Z = Loss $1,499 - $Z Will this be true??? $699 - $X + $699 - $Y > $1,499 - $Z
  18. Your right I jumped the gun a bit. I'm sure you have seen this article? https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75244/gigabyte-confirms-geforce-rtx-3080-with-20gb-model-3070-16gb/index.html RTX 3070 Ti with 16 GB of VRAM is confirmed by Gigabyte by accident. This will likely be released in 2021. When it does, it will tank the value of the RTX 3080 with 10 GB of VRAM. I still would not be surprised if the RTX 3070 Ti 16 GB is released for $499 (although I still think it will cost more because it's a "Ti" card and not a "Super" card) in 2021, that a RTX 3080 with 10 GB VRAM would take a hit to the less than $400 range, but this all speculation. The 3070 Ti would have 60 % more VRAM than the RTX 3080, which is significant, so I suspect a good hit in the value of the card. Or could just avoid this issue all together for the whole generation by spending $1,499 on the RTX 3090, taking the hit on only a single graphics card, and not two.
  19. I was also thinking this, but we know the "Ti" nomenclature exists for the #3000 series and not "Super", right? Have "Ti" cards ever cost the same as non-Ti variants? No. We have only seen the same cost for "Super' cards over the regular version. I would really like to believe that the RTX 3080 Ti with 20 GB of VRAM cost the same as the RTX 3080 of $699. But looking at the scheme so far, I'm afraid that the RTX 3080 Ti will equal the cost of the RTX 2080 Ti. But lets say your right, it costs the same, which I'm still not convinced that it will. You pay $699 now for a RTX 3080. The RTX 3060 Ti is released a year from now with 10 GB of VRAM for $349. This would tank the value of the RTX 3080. So would sell it for probably a little less than $349, and buy a RTX 3080 Ti with 20 GB of VRAM for $699. Then a year after that the RTX 4### series is released and you take another hit on the RTX 3080 Ti. Or you could just get a RTX 3090 now for $1,499, have it last the whole generation until 2022. Take the hit on a single graphics card, instead of two between now and the RTX 4### series. Not sure, it's a very interesting thing to ponder, what is the best thing to do.
  20. For those who don't know, the same Chinese company hat leaked the RTX 3080 gaming benchmarks before the review embargo was officially lifted, have now leaked RTX 3090 gaming benchmarks. The benchmarks reveal that the RTX 3090 provides about an additional 10 % FPS gain over the RTX 3080 at 4K. This is pretty underwhelming performance gain for the RTX 3090 of 10 % over the RTX 3080 considering that it costs ~ 115 % more. The difference in performance is so small, that in some games it's less than 10 FPS difference, single digits. Such a difference in performance would most likely be not noticeable to most people. Seems to me that the only reason to get the 3090 is the additional VRAM. The consensus seems to be that 10 GB is "just enough" for 4K gaming on ultra settings for AAA, games for now. If what happens last generation occurs this generation, this generation of cards will last for two years. With refresher cards coming out in 2021, but the top gaming card, RTX 3090, will remain the top card for the whole generation. The RTX 2080 Ti was the top gaming card for two years, even with the Super cards. The leaks suggest that this will happen again. Except this time we will have "Ti" and not "Super" cards. Super cards for the 2### series had the same price as the original cards, however "Ti" cards have yet to have the same price as the original cards. Meaning the price of the 2080 Ti was not the same price of the 2080. However the price of the RTX 2080 Super was the same price as the RTX 2080. The naming of RTX 3070 Ti has leaked, so this confirms this if it's true. The leak suggests that the cards will have double the VRAM. This is probably necessary, because AAA games between now and the 4### series cards will require more than 10 GB of VRAM. What is the the big marketing scheme behind the 3### series? Same cost as the 2### series but much more performance. Lets look at the historical MSRP, and we will see that this is true. RTX 2060 = RTX 2060 Super = $349 RTX 2070 = RTX 2070 Super = RTX 3070 = $499 RTX 2080 = RTX 2080 Super = RTX 3080 = $699 RTX 2080 Ti = $1,199 RTX 3090 = $1,499 RTX Titian = $2,499 Well this suggests that the RTX 3080 Ti with 20 GB will have the same price as the RTX 2080 Ti perhaps of $1,199. So what do you think of the underwhelming 10 % performance improvement of the RTX 3090 over the RTX 3080 at a ~ 115 % increase in cost. Are you persuaded to get a RTX 3090 knowing that it will have more than enough VRAM until the RTX 4### series comes out, while the RTX 3080 probably won't have enough VRAM at 4K ultra, creating a need for 20 GB RTX 3080 Ti? If following along with the scheme of the RTX 3### series of being the same cost as the RTX 2#### series, but so much more performance, and the RTX 3080 Ti is $1,199, do you think you should just get a RTX 3090 now and not have to get another card in a year? Do you consider the difference between the RTX 3090 and the alleged price of the RTX 3080 Ti of only $300? Do you consider the RTX 3080 will drop in value like a rock when the RTX 3080 Ti comes out. Perhaps it makes more sense, in terms of saving the most money, to just get a RTX 3090 now and sell it when the RTX 4### series comes out, instead of getting a RTX 3080 now, selling it for a great loss in a year for a RTX 3080 Ti, than taking another hit a year later when the RTX 4### series comes out? What are your thoughts on the leaked benchmarks? If you should get a RTX 3090 now and sell it in two years, instead of a RTX 3080 and sell it in a year + a RTX 3080 Super and sell it in a year?
  21. whxo1c7j47hx.webpcurewnt line for 3090
  22. 20 GB, but at that point you might as well as get 3090
  23. 3090 = second coming of christ Some people are already in line
  24. just get a $3090 so you don't have to worry
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