Alexroyer
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Where do you say that 1080ti is 100€ less than 5700 XT? I bought second hand 1080ti for 400€, thats almost the same price than 5700XT (I know, maybe not the best deal loosing 2 years warranty, but I never got an nvidia gpu and wanted to try this beast, physx and nvidia drivers)
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Absolutely. The answer would be "Maybe not in a couple years" if your plan was gaming on 1440p You have luck to have so kind cousin
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Buy Now Or Wait For Intel 10 Core ?
Alexroyer replied to Dicehunter's topic in CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory
I don't know if new Intel 10 will launch soon but, how long can you wait for it? i9-9900K only has 10 months, it's not obsolete technology and will give you the best performance in gaming nowadays (unless you are thinking about streaming, then perhaps Ryzen 3900X is better, I don't know for sure). I have read that new generation CPU's normally gain about 10-15%performance from the last generation CPU, that's not very much but It can be also just the extra power you need for some games. Besides that with the new Ryzen 3000 launch Intel has dropped the price, so IMO is a good time to buy. Or maybe wait until Black Friday if you can. Do you think that i9-9900K will not be able to give you 144fps in some of your favorite game? Have you seen disappointing gaming benchmarks or so? -
Oh well, I can agree that is not a bad move. But on this way, you will have spent about 330-350$ in 3 years. I think that it's worth to buy a top tier CPU that last 5-6 year with high settings on games rather than buy 3 CPUs. I don't know, I don't like the idea about thinking every year on buying new CPUs, it's a bit stressful. I try to buy 1 CPU when it's 7-9 years old and It is already stressful. These components need a lot of decisions to make. Like AMD and RAMs, you can use AM4 to upgrade your CPU but you need very high clock RAMs to run properly Ryzen 3000 and probably a new motherboard. RAMs at 3200-3600MHz are getting expensive too. Your way is affordable, but It does not seem much better to me.
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Yes I know that Ryzen 7 on PS5 will not perform as well as Ryzen 7 on PC because of the reduced clock speed to maintain temperatures. But also you must think that in PC, users are looking for 60fps on high or ultra, not the 30fps from consoles. You need near double the power of a next gen console or even more. I don't know exactly, but sure we are talking about a todays 300-400$ CPU. Does that mean that everybody that went on Ryzen 5 with only 6 cores 12 threats will have problems to play at 60fps the next gen Assasins Creed (o any open world game)? IMO that's a lot of people, because there are a lot of gamers that goes on cheap CPUs. We know that GPU does most of the work in gaming, but we are seeing today games that need a considerably CPU power (Battlefield, Metro, Kingdom Come, Hitman 2, Far Cry, AssasinsCreed) and it will come more with time, I can guarantee that to you. What I don't know is what CPU will be good to play at 60fps those ambitious games. Some crazy want even stream and play at 60fps those games. And we didn't talk about ray tracing and all CPU consumption that it does yet. Are people really buying CPU to play what is only available today? I can't think about invest in these expensive components without asking myself If it will perform well on next games I'm really hyped. Like Cyberpunk 2077 or RDR 2 on PC.
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9th gen Intel Meltdown and Spectre
Alexroyer replied to SebastianEier's topic in CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory
I just bought an i9-9900K, in gaming performance am I screwed? -
What is a top end CPU that is good for 4-5 years in your opinion? Because what is happening is, that everybody is buying mid-end CPUs like Ryzen 2600X, 2700X and things a bit better like 3600. I can imagine CPUs like 3700 or better running on high games for 4-5 years, but I have a lot of doubts about those mid-end CPU's. And nobody buys a PC to play at 30fps. I think this will be a serious issue for many gamers that goes cheap on CPUs. In general, if you have a good CPU and an old GPU, you can play games on low but at 60fps, at 720p at worse. But if you have a bad CPU, those frames will dance like they are having a rave.
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Any more thoughts on this?
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How not worry counting 1 year and a half for new consoles that build mid tier CPUs like Ryzen 7 with 8 c / 16 t? I know PS4 is built on 8 cores too, but it wasn't until now, the end of the generation that games actually uses that power for open games. I'm talking about Ubisoft games for example. We are waiting almost 2 years for new consoles, what will Ubisoft games be like in 4 years in consoles? Ultra well developed to use 16 threads? That's actually not a standard in PC. And remember, consoles always aim for 30fps, PC needs more speed clock to move the same game at 60 frames. I don't think this approach to philosophy or playing oracle, I think that reality today is that 4 cores and 4 threads is not enough to play at solid 60fps (I know because I have it), and in some very demanding games 6 aren't enough either. So I don't think it's crazy that next gen console will push that limit to at least, very well use of multithreading, thing that doesn't have the i7 from 9th generation.
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I bought recently a new CPU to leave my old i5-2500, and I was thinking to acquire the best processor for gaming on ultra at 60fps minimum (more I hope) with next gen games. But I truly didn't know where to invest my money to guarantee the high framerate in ultra with what is today in stores. I may sound exaggerated, but nobody knows how future games will be developed, and how ambitious they will be. I'm not thinking in games with a linear story scripted and simple worlds like next Wolfenstein. I'm talking about Grand Theft Auto VI, The Elder Scroll VI, Fallout V, Cyberpunk 2077, Starfield, Red Dead Redemption 2, new Assasin's Creed or Far Cry. These games are nuclear bombs for CPUs to handle at 60 frames on ultra. Also we must consider that next gen consoles like PS5, is confirmed that will be mount new Ryzen 7, that means 8 cores with 16 threads (we don't know about clock speed, but logic says that will be a Ryzen 7 underclocked to keep stable temperatures) So, how confident are you guys that today majority of CPUs will handle next gen games at the standard of 60 frames per second from PC gaming? There were moments that I convinced myself that I was way overthinking too much about this, and that I would be safe on next gen games with any new Ryzen 3000 series. But THESE GUYS of Digital Foundry brought back all my fears!! If you don't know the Digital Foundry channel, they are a very professional group that analyzes consoles and PC components and its performance on games very meticulously, they work with Eurogamer UK, one of the most important videogame websites in Europe. The young man upgraded from Ryzen 1700X to Ryzen 3900X, and hear what they say from minute 7:00 to 9:30 This video is meant to be like a podcast or something, with the first impressions of Ryzen 3900X. PLEASE, before posting some answer see the section from the video I mention!
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I think I will buy finally the i9-9900K to be 100% CPU safe for gaming. I found a deal and cost 427€, that's only 60€ more than the Ryzen 3700X and i7-9700K, and then I hope I would be able to sleep at nights knowing that my CPU will never bottleneck mi GPU in 10 years.
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Ok I will link posts better than to make a screenshot now that I know how to do it, thanks! Sure, whether I buy new AMD or last Intel CPU I will build it on the newest chipset, and of course that means X570 for the Ryzen 3700X choice. But I don't know if only that can solve my problem of building a gaming PC that is CPU future-proofed. I'm not aiming to play at 144hz in 4-5 years, I know that's stupid, I'm fine playing at smooth 60fps on ultra without worrying about CPU, only buying new GPU. And that isn't happening with my old i5-2500 4c / 4t , 3.3 - 3.7GHz ? And I know that developers will targeting quad core processors as the minimum, but we know that minimum specs mean 30fps on low, and that is not the point. Thanks for your answer!
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What the hell... @Mira Yurizaki and @Stefan Payne Can you give me some thoughts about the future on CPU gaming? You seem to know what you are talking about!
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@melete It's confirmed that next gen consoles will be built on Zen 2, so I think is a pretty solid predict that next gen games will use multi-threads. I think i'm walking to AMDs side... (for now, I have to wait 3 days to decide anything)
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