pani_alex

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hi Alex ltt, have a video suggestion that could be interesting solder some pipes to the heatsink heatpipes to make it hybrid and see if it is doable to make a quite gaming PC with a detachable wc, do the same to the GPU read the full topic to have some context https://community.frame.work/t/i-have-a-cool-cooling-idea-for-the-framework-team/34607/28

pc wc, not plumber sorry wc = water cooling, just in case you use the PC just for sending mails an watching youtube

solder some pipes to a heatsink heatpipe to make it hybrid and see if it is doable to make a quite gaming PC with a detachable wc, do the same to the GPU read the full topic to have some context https://community.frame.work/t/i-have-a-cool-cooling-idea-for-the-framework-team/34607/28

ohhh, that is new info, so if sharing ground is the reason, there is no headset mic combo that will be immune to that, since the jack doesn't has a second ground for the mic, so no sharing it is not an option, or?

Hi, i am having trouble with my headset mic picking up the loud game sounds (like others speaking or shooting), i believe it is because they are fiscally attached, i was planning to buy a separate dynamic mic like the podmic with an audio interface, or something cheaper like a usb one like the Q2U but since i don't wanna waste my many in something that isn't gonna fix the issue, and ending not using it, came here to ask if someone knows exactly what the problem could be and how to fix it, or if what i set will fix it. My headset is the cooler master MH751 Also if the sound is travelling through the body of the headset to the mic, are there other headsets that don't have that problem?

no, i just want to use the steam deck for tasks that are in his power instead of an overpower pc that just burn energy just because I dream of an m.2 raiser that has some sort of bifurcation to at least 2 more. It will be nice having the option to upgrade you 1 m.2 slot laptop to 2, or any device, cheap mobo, mini pc, handheld... A solution that may be useful is net boot, but if you already have a nas and it will work just when you are in the same net

Unfortunately, the steam deck has only 1 usb port so the only way to use it in desktop mode is with a dock, the usb port is usb3 gen 2, and in the dock is usb 3.1, no usb4 no thunderbold i will try the 2 things you mention if that makes something i don't think the temps are a problem because the case has a big heatsink

it is plugged into the steam deck dock, the speed was good, the problem i think is, is that the os and the game are running on the same usb drive and becouse the os makes many small reads writes, it bottlenecks

I like to run windows on an external m.2 case, the problem is it is so laggy that it freezes from time to time or while launching things, which makes it impossible for gaming. My question will be, is it because of the low iops compared with pcie? if so, are there better cases/chips that have more iops? i have only the cheap orico ones. Or are all m.2 cases already working at full specs? Why i am making such a horrible thing? well i have my steam deck which is a mini pc and for some things is more energy-efficient to use that instead of my power-hungry pc, and i don't wanna have problems with steam os and windows messing with the partitions so it seems to me a healthier solution to run it from another physical drive. Well my pc is low med spec pc but the steam deck consumes less than 1/3 of what the pc does, so

For the expansion card is just a pci-e slot, nothing extravagant or that doesnt already exist, it just is not in the consumer market And a 5cm bridge i think is not a big deal in the case of a little 3 pci-e board that add expansion at the end of a mini board with a bifurcation chip. I am not talking about a long connection, just pci-e slots and cards, and more unconventional places for them, to take advantage of unused space, like at the top, or flat on the back, try more compact configurations, they are already looking for something new to do with the motherboard, like with the extra power for gpus or putting al plugs in the back

I just wanted to say the word what i wish and hope it becomes true I like the concept of a micro-ATX and mini-ITX motherboard that can be upgraded to pro with just an expansion card and even more to daisy-chain them. And i like to see a configuration where there is the #1 pci-e counting from the CPU with 4x (or 8x but i think all motherboards seem to have 4x to the south bridge, so 4x should be ok) with maybe some sort of second slot behind for extra power if needed . And i imagine it has to be the first slot because gpus are so fat that you can not know how much space they will need. I really think the GPU pci-e slot shutout be at the top with the card inverted, for it not to kill all the other expansion slots and it to have better cooling. So the second for GPU and a third for more expansion, and how i imagine it to be useful is, because it is going to be under the GPU anyway, it must to be just to slot in some 3 pci-e expansion board with only a bifurcation chip to have the option to add 3 more pci-e cards. So motherboards will have tow possible expansions, one the pro upgrade and one more pci-e, but a few variants of pro boards, oriented to possible usage cases. For example, focus on usb/usb4/m.2/sata/network an so on, so I decide what I want it for, you also will have the option use whatever daisy-chain mix of pro cards you need Why? because i think that if manufacturers make fewer motherboard models, they will become cheaper, since in the case I am talking about, you will have just 2 motherboard models, and that will reduce the manufacturing complexity to tow lines, and at the same time will lower the cost of components since they will be used in more quantities (again, that is what I believe in my ignorance in how it works in detail). Also if these bifurcation chips are more used, this kind of devices will become cheaper to, and will allow to more combinations of expansion boards, and the way i need my things to work, most of the time because the m.2 SSD, i need more m.2 slots, the top speed is not all the time a problem because i need to access just one at a time or really don't need too much speed, with 1 or 2 gb is reasonable, is just having the storage for 2 OS plus dedicated storage, or mirroring. Like in the case of sata, there are a minimum of 4, because under that is near useless for most of the people and i am starting to notice that the sata is getting noticeably slow for even the internet, it literally limits the download speed or gaming experience, even windows feels a little laggy on it And from the point of view of logic, expanding the motherboard to a card instead of full atx, makes it more compact not changing the way it works, because it still has everything going through a 4x pci-e lines. I also believe that this kind of modules can allow a new market of device types, like nas, nuc like with more expansion options, mini itx boards with more creative pci-e positions that allow to have more in a compact format. I can go on and on but i think this explains sort of what i mean

sorry, i dident recive any notification, gona check that the copper thickness is 1mm yes, there is the memory, i cant remember if i put thin 0.5mm thermal pad or thermal paste, 1mm copper plate and it still have room under the cpu mounting arms. Its also hold in place squished by the top plate yes, i use a thick thermal pad i didn't find the connector to buy so i cut the cable colder it to the new fan like Alex from LTT did, but let enough length just in case i wanna go back, but you can also get a new one, so it's not a big problem anyway i don't get the question, but if you are asking for temps, do not know how to test it, just assume, but remember seeing somewhere that runs cooler Im gonna do a 3d printed back plate, but PLA can not handle any heat so i chose ASA and still can not find out how to print it with my ender 3, also have some other things want to print with ASA on the waiting list. I printed small things but once it's large it doesn't stick anymore on the bed -- I must to mention that that cooler may be too much, and if you get a 20mm height cooler or even a 10mm should still make a big difference, my ssd heatsink will never get hot, the air from the stock heatsink is much more hotter. i was looking for a smaller one but didn't find it and only this one convince me, i also find out something interesting about the cooler, if it doesn't have walls, it also blows air to the sides, so it can cool everything 360 around and below. The difference width between the handle and the center is 20mm so finding something equal or less than that will be ideal I am also tainted to solder the copper plate below the ssd heatsink the heatpipe to have better temps transfer and avoid having [heatpipe, thermal pad, cooper plate, thermal pad, ssd heatsink] and instead only one thermal pad or paste. It also makes the fan work less, because i noticed that when its colder, sometimes the fan doesn't spin for a very long time

Yes, thanks. Think that not all people have the same experience, and a little context or examples make it easy to know way. Feel free to argue, so that I or we learn and get a different point of view. Also please take in mind I'm not English natal, so it may be some things that I can not express too well in English, I have learned that there are some expressions that only make sense in some languages and mean nothing or something different in others. I know big companies impose what is better for their finance no matter if they are destroying people or the planet, but also if a big company sees that instead of having hundred or Thousands of pcs using 100w each for doing nothing instead of 10w, or spending 100/200$ instead of 500/1000$ on a simple office pc, they will always choose the cheaper one. And it will not necessarily be a loss, because it could be that because it's one multifunction small product, it's cheaper to manufacture and there for more profitable.

I understand, but even tho, I think is worth it something like that, there are uses for that cases, like mobile work, and pcs in general are getting smaller. For example, now that I have the steamdeck, I barely use my pc, there is more than enough power in small form factor, and most of the people doesn't need a big cpu any more, with a mini pc are their needs cover, even for some workstation and light gaming. It's also so mind-blowing that we are still using so energy inefficient computers that they need 100w for web surfing or idling instead of 10 or 5w It's also not necessary to have another form factor, it may be possible to take the "nuc" form factor and change it a little so that all the plugs are on a separate io board, then is only one board for nucs and DIY laptops, and that will be in line with the vision from framework laptop. Having a standard form factor will make it so much more useful, and in case someone argues, the nuc ff is too small to fit everything, that is why I think it is necessary one or two PCIe sockets for expansion apart from the one or two from the SSDs. And it is not necessary to create a new PCIe expansion socket, the m.2 is good enough and it is also getting common m.2 PCIe expansion boards. So some of the work is already done, it just needs to be put together. Again, like framework laptop, when everybody said "it's not possible" they made it, and it works ok, the main problem is that it doesn't make any sense for business that things are recycled, reused or repaired, they want you to change everything a least every year, ideal every season, but being realistic that is not realistic for most of the people because of their income, also not because resources are not unlimited and more important not unless we wanna destroy the word and live in a gigantic garbage.

Explane it please

I'm a fan of thinker, DIY and a little of repair, and I got an idea. Just looking at what Framework has done, and if you are interesting maybe can you push it. What about proposing some standards for more friendly laptops (for update, repair and second life) ,there is already a tiny form factor of powerful PC, NUC like. So set standard dimensions for laptop motherboards, with just the headers for the onboard IO and pcie for expansion, so the laptop case has a hole like the one for the desktop motherboard for the onboard io, and the ones for the pcie cards, one on each side for maintaining expansion flexible (i was thinking on pcie to pack more things together and more powerful than just one plug over USB latency, think about the asrock board that updates from 50 to 70) (one 8x, 2 4x + 2 m2 sounds a lot of expansion on that size) And what about bringing back the upgradeable GPU, just put another PCIe interface for GPU (well not exclusive, I can put anything into it because it will be PCIe, but putting it in a location where it will be easy to have a standard for laptop GPU. So the nuc motherboard is already small, and the laptop GPU was about a nuc motherboard size too, that size is more than enough to fit it side by side into a laptop standard. And just a few centimeters on each side for the PCIe io boards, and all connected with PCIe razer cables, so is thin, can go anywhere, are easy to replace and no need for making the board exclusive for one chassis. The advantages i can think on are, if something breaks or you wanna update, change just that thing, no need any more to throw away your whole laptop, you can use it as long as it is useful all the parts (imagine a tablet that you just have to change the board, screens don't get useless so quick). The same for the display, use some interface for all the displays for a few years, so if I wanna change my display, I can choose which one, not only the one that was made for that laptop, but different resolution or size (it will be nice if phones and tablets are like that) Imagine a laptop clon, like the pc world. I buy the screen from msi, the boar from asus, the chassis from fractal, and so on, they will really have to fight to make a better product because otherwise, you can just choose not to by it and get something better, that can also be a reason why something like this never success, they don't wanna compete, just want you to buy whatever they give you because there is not too much from where you can choose from But it will be better for the world (less e-waste), cheaper to update, easy to configure what I need, flexible, longer life and with many lives PCs are also getting smaller, the miniPC world, so it can target two makes, that way that hardware can go cheaper because I will be more demand from the same product

update, I find the magic of plugins with Decki and install Fantastic, while playing light games set the fan to run at 1000 rpm when it reaches 40C (under that, off) and its super silent (i set it first at 250 rpm but it moves to less air that i doesn't make any sense), it runs for a few seconds and turns off again. Playing more heavy games, in this case, Planet crafter, it stays under 60C. That is all on battery. And while charging i must to set the fan on 1400 rpm and most of the time under 60C with peaks to 62C. The problem with this fan is that it is too noisy while it lies on the table, I have to put a small towel under it to suppress the noise, on hands, I can't hear it. I think even a 1cm heatsink and fan will work great (that was the original plan, just couldn't find any shortes heatsink that convince me, also don't knew another reputable 5v pwm brand fan). But must to take in mind that where the fan is right now, it blows air for the stock heatsink and on the sides for the custom ones. funny thing, on full blast it goes under 40C on heavy games, but it also is winter on here, about 19C in my room

i must to mention that i was having problems with the m.2 extension, while downloading, the steam deck was going slower until it stop responding, i suppose it was the wifi causing interference, because the flap came with the shield on one side, so i added normal kitchen aluminium fold on the other side and put duct tape over it to avoid short circuit, and It work stable since the update before this one

I made i think the last cooling update to my steam deck, it works amazing, temps stay under 60 C under full load with mid to low fan, so its cool and quiet. The m.2 heatsink is screwed to the copper plate (only the top part, without the bottom part that squishes the ssd) and the copper plate touches the heatpipe so is near ideal head transmision, but im sure it could be better. It will be interesting if some cooler company make some steam deck heatsink alternative with the back cover ready to install using a round heatpipe, if its shorter and wider will be interestingly slimmer. A better memory and other components cooling will be nice to, for the ones that make more heat, adding a little heatpipe its also a nice feature, well i have not messed the temps, but i like having parts well cooled. i was also amazed how good this normal fan works as a laptop fan pushing air from the sides. Now i am ready to print the part for the back cover to make it less crappy

I have some, pictures for update, cant tell if the ram heat plate is making something or afecting in performance but less(temp) is better so its good. Replaced the original heat plate and it is definitely doing something, the temps get down instantly when i close a game, and i hit 3.499Mhz at full cpu load all time My conclusion is that with a better general heatsink and less air restriction, the steam deck could have a much better thermos, no needing to make such a horrible modding, so the main problem is not enough intake airflow and poor heat dissipation memory heatsink back plate I used a 1mm copper plate 100*150, also where the screw near the fan plug is, make it bigger so that the plate goes throw the and to hold it used a washer so that the plage res on the original Heatpipe and help to increase dissipation area the vertical cut on the bottom near the charger chip is to allow pas for a m.2 extension, it worrks no problem, but just a few hours of use. I will be printing the cover soon if i'm happy with the performance and there are no problems soon. Don't pay too much attention to the finish, i don't have access to a real workshop so all its made in my apartment I noticed that my pictures are not being shown, do i need to have more posts or is there another problem?

Thanks, but i was asking if someone have already test it, because as i set, with the anker i have, on the usb A you cant but on the usb c you can

I have a question for the ones that have the steam deck dock, does it allows to boot from a usb ssd? I'm asking because i have a anker dock and i can boot windows from a usb m.2 only on the usb-c, not on the usb-A, and i like the layout from the steam deck dock (everything on one side) to attach it permanently to the steam deck

Hi, i am working on a cooling mod, i wanted to see if taking out the fan and installing a standard one on the inteka, have better results. But from the first time i opened the steam deck, i noticed that the air intake is far too restricted to let enough air throw (since to be sucking air also from all the holes and button gabs), so i take the original fan off and cut a hole to install a noctua NF-A6x25 5V PWM, since there is no slim version in that size and the 4cm seems too small. And yes, the intake is way to restricted, i was heavily thermo throttling. So i continued with what i was planning and cut a little more the back cover all over the board and more or less 1cm on the left, the difference is amazing, i get average -15C So for the ones that wanna improve the cooling, it maybe enough tu cut the back cover and race between 5 and 10mm the cover to allow more air getting in (but needs to be tested and im not gonna resolder the fan for it) Right now i am having a problem where if set the fan option off, it thermo throttles every now and then, but it is not the cpu, the temps are ok, i think that because i have not the back cover smaching the shield anymore, there is not good contact with the vrms or something. But when the fan option is on, it works ok full load at full clock for hours. Anyway its not a problem since i was planning to change the heat shield with a copper one and also make one for the ram, so it's not even finished and its already performing better But i do not have yet the parts for that so i will post an update on it Also cut the fan on 2 sides, since there is about 1cm that has no use and i needed a way to allow side airflow without raising even more the fan Don't worry about the hot glue and the cardboard, i just couldn't wait to see if it works and make a test model, i will be printing something once i know everything works ok will update more pics from the inside, just wanted to post it now and forgot to take more pics when i was working on it first cut

i started a thread here if someone is interested