Mateus Montemor

Hey guys,

Today i was replacing one of my ssd storage drives and when i went to allocate the volume in disk management, i noticed another "problem": My old HDD from my previous computer that now i use as storage is currently listed as the system partition ( Disk 1) and my m.2 (Disk 2) is only the boot partition, which is odd, because when i assembled this PC i formatted everything and the OS is on the m.2.

Since the HDD is older than the other ssds i wanted to change the system partition to my m.2, how do i do that?? 

Thanks

1 hour ago, Stormseeker9 said:

It would still be the same board. The updated version for zen 2 are the ‘max’ range.

 

i guess the non max remain at 3466. Could also be a B450 chipset thing (wild guess this by the way).

Well, after giving it a good search in other foruns and MSI`s website I was able to kind of have the solution myself. The memory controller nowadays is on the cpu, so that is gonna decide the memory speed limit, on Zen2 for the b450 tomahawk(non max) compatibility list you can find all the memorys that are compatible, Gskill`s are there, crucial ballistx isnt, i guess im gonna go with that

15 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

Without checking from memory I believe tomahawk non Max supports 3465mhz ram.

 

dont pin me down on it 

 

 

Yeah, thats what it says on MSI`s website, but as i said in the original post, maybe something due to 1st and 2nd gen ryzens?

Hi guys, I am currently happy with my system(ryzen 3700x) , but some money has come along and im thinking in upgrading my current RAM (3200MHZ CL16) for a 3600MHz CL16, Im looking into the two models in the links below (both are in portuguese, but the model and name are the same as in english), but my main doubt is: will the b450 tomahawk (non max)+ 3700x run the 3600MHZ ram normally? In MSI`s website it says it only supports up to 3466MHZ (OC), but i think that is due to being a 1st and 2nd gen ryzen board with a BIOS update to 3rd gen, Gskill site says Neo Tridentz are for ryzen 3000 on x570 boards.

And if yes, it will work normally, which of them both do i go for???? Crucial Ballistx are cheaper, but since ddr3 i only have experience with G.skill`s memory

Thanks!

https://www.kabum.com.br/cgi-local/site/produtos/descricao_ofertas.cgi?codigo=104917

https://www.kabum.com.br/produto/110139/mem-ria-crucial-ballistix-sport-lt-rgb-16gb-2x8-3600mhz-ddr4-cl16-vermelha-bl2k8g36c16u4rl

I had a similar problem, but it was with a 1070 (if u want to see a more in depth description of it you can go to an old post i did here), i tried various things: DDU and install new driver, different DP cables, different power cables to the gpu, but nothing worked, the only thing i had left was to RMA it and the store i bought confirmed it was a fabric issue with the card, so they replaced for a 2070 (which was a replace for the 1070 price since it was already one year old). For u, it might seem the card is just dying from age, since u have the build for 5 years, but idk, just giving a word from what happened to me

here is the video of my problem i used as one of the proofs for the RMA (it happened most in csgo smokes, not once in heaven or other benchmarks)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdOJmRqBiCc&t=60s

Well, if money is not a problem... 3700x, those 2 extra cores are nice for rendering stuff, but there will be no noticible difference in gaming, may i suggest a 3600 with a 2070 super or 2060 super, idk the prices where you live or if u already have the 2060

6 hours ago, darKz_here said:

I have already the best monitor possible for CS:GO, which is the BenQ Zowie XL2546 (144hz tho, at least balanced somewhat the timings), playing competitively with an old "gaming" server that i bought a year ago with Intel Xeon x3430 and Quadro 2000 and 8 Gb 1333Mhz Ram, with an old hp office keyboard and a good looking chinese "rgb" 150g brick mouse barely even moving it, and squeezing the resolutions, settings and every tweak possible to get an decent framerate with pixelated image and yet managed to get the Gold Nova Master almost Master Guardian while all solo queuing. But still as I said can't really say anything about it until I try them myself. I have tried so far 3 PC different builds of the new gens in those internet caffes and the differences were quite amazing coming from low-end hardwares. First build was i5-8500 with GTX 1060, second i7-7700k GTX 1070, and i7-8700 GTX 1060; every single one was great the i5-8500 build was slower obviously than the i7-7700k and i7-8700 while the i7-8700 felt kinda faster than the i7-7700k but overall I still wasn't satisfied enough with all the build and not quite balanced perforamance. Might even be due to the specifcations were kinda of mixed up with different brands/speeds/capacity in every part of the build.


Also about considering the I9-9900KS over the AMD CPUs is about the significant lower timings i9-9900K provides. Which to me matter hugely more than the cores, prices, or anything else. Quality over quantity, is the thing i'm looking for. That's why Intel will always be way ahead than AMD when it comes to pure fast gaming, no matter what kind of architechture AMD will create they always will be behind when it comes to pure fast competitive gaming or even casual gaming. AMD will always remain a try hard and pathetic in my eyes.

And if anyone wants to know about the definition of what "being bottlenecked" brutally on your skills and abillities means, just watch this CS GO Matchmaking demo's "LowLights" of my gameplay carefully and the timings of shooting and being able to react on my perspective and their through my perspective. If you have a single knowledge about timings on such high-paced fps games, you will defintely get what I was talking all about. And no, this wasn't "brutally sweating gameplay" or "psycho try harding game" as this is the least of my tryings and every real pro player will actually undestand just by watching my playstyle. Don't also forget to consider 5 things I have had to face before facing the opponents Pay2Win Huge Advantages who have the Highest End PCs. Starting from the Low-End CPU , GPU, RAM, the full stutters of the "try hard frame rates" , low stretched 1024x768 pixelated resolution where you could barely see anything which this also adds an good amount of delay, the delays of my whole pc system,the cheap brick 150g bloody4 "lighting mouse" with moderate sensor affecting my aim in lots of times, and finally their brutal abuse on their Highest End PCs and Gaming Equipments that I have to face after all those bottlenecks without even using "my really trying" which I don't even want to do it due to the fact that I know they don't even have to give even a little effort from ALL SUCH BIG ADVANTAGES they have, you can just tell already on how pathetic they are, my only competition is my own LAG, nothing else. So all of this should be enough to undersand my whole theory of why the latencies and stable framerates matters hugely more than bunch of high frames AMD can provide and the fact that most of the whole CS GO game who plays Matchmaking are totally Pay2Wins. This goes to 90% of CS GO players who achieve those ranks is due to their PCs merits, while being so bad on their skills are Pay2Wins and not even worth the rank they have. And no wonder when you see real Pros playing with those Global Elite players are actually worse than even silvers, because that's the red line where they can't be carried by their PCs anymore cuz they are facing real skills and reaction times, and not their pay2win advantages over others.  

steam://rungame/730/76561202255233023/+csgo_download_match%20CSGO-oFMi3-wG2at-UJPth-zNhTw-FWzfFy

You are looking to deep into it, even pros dont do that, Just look at csgo pro settings, most still uses 1080's/1080 ti's. As i said, the main difference is in the monitor and peripherals that need to be ultra low lantency/ high refresh rate and thats why CS pros dont even understand that much about PC Hardware, but they do a lot of research on mices, keyboards, monitors...

Another example, ESL used to use i7's 9700k for their Championships last year

Also, dont use Aida/other hardware benchmarks as your main gaming reference, because of course a memory specific test will show differences between high end systems, but dont expect a old ass engine like source to benefit from that

Bottom of the line is, anything with a 6 core and great IPC (ryzen3600/i59600k and above) will run CS almost exactly the same (FPS and stability wise). The advantage of a i7 or i9 is running other things in the background, like Discord or faceit/esea anticheats

And just a heads up, CSGO matchmaking servers are awful, 64 tick and all their shit variations will be way more notocible than CAS latency of your system RAM. If you are really into the competitive scene, i suggest u look into faceit/esea or whatever is stronger in your region, here GamersClub is the best for example...

Thats the normal booting procedure, my Tomahawk also does that. When i had a bad GPU (needed to RMA`d it) the  VGA debug LED was always on and no video was showing, so thats how they work

8 hours ago, darKz_here said:

 

I don't know If I was clear enough, and i'm not sure what kind of rank you have in CS GO and the way you play the game but I still get your point. The reason I'm asking about those differences, is cause I was brutally hardwarely bottlenecked my whole life when it comes to competitive gaming even to this day I still am , sometime It even leads me to think I am not good enough due to the highely bottleneck I was experiencing. The reason I'm buying the i9-9900KS is about the speed and faster input/output processing it provides since it is the world's fastest processor when it comes to competitive gaming, cause to me the latency matters hugely more than the frames itself, I know having higher frames provides less latencies but there's tons of people who have 300fps+ but still experience huge input lags. So that's why i'm asking if there's a difference between the CL 14 and CL 16 rams since I don't want even a single part of the pc to be bottlenecking the whole work of the motherboard.

I get your point as well, the fps doesn't even bother me. The point is the input and output latencies, as well as the precise stability on handling those frames. Simply I want not even a single interruption, if this makes more sense.

 

Im into very competitive CSGO, so i did a lot of research before buying my PC focused into this, so i would suggest to go CL16 and use the 30$ difference to focus on a 240HZ  with 1ms or less response time monitor, im currently running AOC AGON AG251FZ2 and its pretty good. Also, as Source engine is old, nowadays CPU will run the game exactly the same, I have a friend with a 3600x, one with a 9900k, and they get the same Framerates/Frametimes as me. So, as a final awnser, i would say get the CL16 (No input Lag diference from CL16 to CL14 RAM) and focus on the monitor, its the most important thing for CS, alongside the CPU itself...

Hi, im also into CSGO competitive gameplay, and with my ryzen 3700x i went with cl16 because its cheaper and i still get above 300 fps average, with drops to like 240-250 fps in smoke executes with a lot o f bullets in maps like inferno, so i would say for intel (that its not as memory speed hunger as ryzen) you should be fine with CL16. Now, if the price is around the same then go with cl14

Hi, really dumb question, but in order to mantain zero rpm mode in a custom fan curve (since default only goes up to 65%), do i only put 0 rpm until like 55C ( is what the default fan curve starts ramping up). My question is because i dont want to harm my hardware putting zero rpm in a custom curve

Hi, even applying PBO in ryzen master and using it normally, after i restart the PC it goes back to the default plan, any idea why?

For gaming, both have the same performance, but for studying and 3d applications those 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads really help (im a engineer student and i have a 3700x due to 3d moddeling applications), since you are going all out (360mm WC, ROG X570, 5700xt) i would go for the 3700x, maybe in future games (next year or 2) will also benefit a lot from those extra cores, specially with the new console gen coming

On the ones you listed, i would go for ryzen, cheaper and better for streaming + gaming

17 hours ago, WilliamVixoe said:

Hi,

Thanks for your input and appreciate the honesty, regarding you only having experience with a Ryzen 7 3700X.

Okay, so you went with a B450 right? Or am i wrong here? I don't care; if it is X570 or B450, however, personally my thought process is that the X570 platform is more future proof, however, it is generally twice as much depending on the specific choice of course. Is X570 not worth it at any point?

Thanks for linking to the spreadsheet, I will take a closer look at that. VRM and newer platform, while being minimal looking is my parameters for making a choice, if that makes any sense. Yes, I admit, I am an aesthetics guy.

So what motherboard, would you recommend following the above-listed specifications. Please, ask further questions or generally state your opinion, so that I as beforementioned can broaden and improve my perspective before making a choice.

 

 

 

Yes, i went with b450, since back in july x570 prices were absurd, and the only difference is pcie gen4 (which ssds were also way overpriced). Since u said u care a lot about looks (i dont blame u, i love looks as well,but im limited by my money hahaha) i would go with any of the chipsets but with a ROG or Aorus since those are more "gaming" like with rgb and all that kind of stuff, so for example: you are building a orange/black theme, u can set the LEDs in the ROG mobo into orange, way simpler than buying a mobo that has orange parts, get it?

In the chipset battle, i would say x570 is nice because it will support further ryzen generations (not sure about that with b450) and pci gen 4 ssds will eventually come down in price, also if u buy a b450 u need to update your BIOS, thats why i choose MSI`s board, that doesnt need a 2nd gen ryzen CPU to update it.

I had the same doubt back in july and went with 3700x due to the extra threads for future proof and a bit cheaper, which with the diference i invested in a 480GB ssd. No regrets to be fair, even not being a good cpu for OC (it does reach 4.3-4.4 in some cores during games, 4.2 max all core load), it doesnt make much of a diference since it performs amazing. Also, u have fast enough RAM to go with it. Thats my opinion as a 3700x owner, maybe wait for a feedback of someone with the i7? As a mobo i went with tomahawk due to BIOS flash button, but here it is a list of vrms and quality of all boards for am4 and ryzen 3000: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview?sle=true#gid=639584818.

One thing, it runs a bit hot ( but i believe the 9700k also does), but the dark rock will be enough, just make sure to update the chipset and BIOS to the latest versions that fixes the voltage thing.

5 hours ago, Epimetheus said:

Well, how do you expect it to boot without a gpu? The 1600 doesn't have an integrated one, it will never output without the 570

Not everyone necessarily knows that, no need to be rude about it.

And to you @TH3M4DR4TT3R, i would reccomend the same as both guys said above, get a nice psu, it will be worth the investment in the future, because a bad psu can kill all the components of a PC

49 minutes ago, bowrilla said:

That still leaves the question of your cooling setup: how many fans, where located, which are intake, which are exhaust? Also, does the cooler get hot? Some IHS both from Intel and AMD can come with a terrible curvature that severely impedes cooling.

2x200 in front (intake) 1x120 exhaust in the back, positive pressure, gpu doesnt go over 65C, for the cooler getting hot ima have to test it

1 hour ago, bowrilla said:

Have you checked all the voltages? Which case do you have, is it the Thermaltake in your sig? What's the overall colling setup in it? Is there enough airflow? Did you plug the CPU fan into the correct socket? Are those fans ramping up? With which program are you checking the temps? Does the cooler gets actually hot?

Voltages high like all ryzen 3000, but not getting close to all review temps, my pc is the on the signature, enough airflow i believe and all fans on and during stress teste the noctua one hits 1500 rpm, its maximum, already try different programs like aida,hwinfo and ryzen master itself

5 hours ago, kol said:

Is PBO enabled in the BIOS? If so, disable it and re run the benchmarks.

will try that

12 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

Are you using default motherboard settings?

What rpm are your fans running at?

ALL default, except XMP on memories

1 hour ago, Streetguru said:

What kind of voltages is your motherboard throwing at your CPU?

Try manually controlling your frequency and voltage in the bios or just with Ryzen Master Should be able to do 4ghz at 1.2V I think, 1.3V was the max daily recommended voltage I saw somewhere due to the 7nm process.

I was able to CCX OC to 4.225 and 4.25 at 1.325V, because It was using more voltage than that, but It only got a bit better, like 88C

1 hour ago, Turtle Rig said:

Yes man this is a bummer 94c is not very good lol.  Your nearing in on TJ MAX then your system will shutdown to prevent the CPU from dying and what not.

Actually is hitting that but still boosting, but its quite annoying

23 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

I would take off cooler clean all paste and re paste and insatll the cooler and screw it on nice and tight but not enough to crack the mobo and what not.

Thats what i did, 1-2 degrees cooler, but maybe i Will try a third time If It persists one more week ir after the new AMD BIOS update

25 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Just like touch your Noctua cooler near the base plate and see if it's actually hot, it might just be misreporting temperatures.

Also make sure you have enough mounting pressure and put plenty of paste doesn't really matter if some spills out to the side, and if possible line up the heatpipes with the dies if there's a different mounting orientation. I wouldn't really unmount it for now though just make sure it's tight.

Did you clean off the CPU after removing the stock heatsink or did you try to reuse the paste from the stock heatsink?

 

Yes, mounted with the recommended pressure (Just a tiny bit more after both the screws stop) and cleaned and reapplied all the paste the first time from wraith to u14s and same for the reinstall of the noctua, Will try to see If the base is hot.