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so if i spend 700$ on a new config it will likely play my 4K HDR 10bits content on my tv? i want to be sure, but look like nobody on the whole internet know this spec.

Not possible on mini itx case that doesn't support a gpu

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so belonging to intel kaby lake cpu's are now capable to decode H.265 (HEVC) 4K@60fps. but i really doubt 60$ Intel Celeron G3930 Kaby Lake Dual-Core 2.9 GHz can do it (with is intel graphics 610 iGPU). Any feedback?

false. 4K/60 10bits 4:4:4 = 22.28 Gb/s > 21.6 Gb/s source : https://www.extron.com/product/videotools.aspx

Hello, I'm interested into Ryzen 2200G and Ryzen 2400G. Theses are APU that can do 4K@60fps for sure. But what about more. On amazon some people says they stream 4K HDR10 content flawlessly to their tv with this APU. So is it compatible? As Real 4K/10bits (hdr or not)/60fps is not possible on DP 1.2 port, I wonder which motherboard support display port 1.4. Because ryzen 2200G is an apu, all need to be on the mobo. Also it kind of look like DP 1.4 is just an firmware/software from DP1.2, or this is the case for HDMI 1.4-->HDMI 2.0 ? My goal is to make the cheapest (and smallest if possible only) pc to playback buttery smooth 4K 10Bits content .. and why not 4K10bits 60fps (to have a little margin for very heavy bitrates/4K freaks content). And of course future proof if 4K/40+fps/10bits slowly become a norm.

It will be mainly through "other", I use streaming services like amazon, iTunes, etc.. but I always download the movies before watching them. So it would be basically watching mkv files with VLC or other HDR capable / 10 bits capable video software. Mostly H265 4K codec. Also some friends makes videos through a camera that output 4K 10bits videos (i don't remember which color space, but that doesn't matter), I would to be able to see theses video on my TV with the GPU/iGPU without any issues. Theses (many) questions are still unanswered for me, i'm currently looking on Ryzens APU like 2200G/2400G but i'm 100% sure i can do better with second hand products and that's actually the only real thing I will eventually do. So I really need to know which are the cheapest iGPU/GPU on the market (and I kind of need severals, I know it's a lot to ask, but this is because i'll look on second hand availabilities and won't be able to choose a specific model but will have to check can it do it / it can't). Edit 1 : As far as i'm searching it said "Kaby Lake CPU Can decode H.265 10bits 4K videos". But again this say nothing. the i3 3865U, with 1.8ghz and 2MB cache is a kaby lake CPU. On intel datasheet it says 4K video "yes, but at 60hz", meaning 60fps 10bits ok? I really doubt. But maybe? that's why i'm asking for your help. I can find cheap barebone / mini pc for 150/200$ all included with this CPU. But i doubt when i'll open my hdr 10 bits 4K 60fps vid, it will run smooth..

Hello so in my research i saw this post here that pretty much explain what i want (especially the comment on the 4K 60FPS HDR 10Bits sony video). I'm looking to build a "cheap" Micro Atx, Mini ITX, Thin mini atx whatever as mini as possible build, with a dedicated gpu preferably, but maybe an integrated iGPU if it can do the job (i.e. playback buttery smooth 4K HDR 10BITS 60fps content on my huge HDR TV). So far, theses are the possible options (but not cheap enough, I think I can find better) I found : > Ryzen APU. Like 2200G. Pros : recent, happy to give money to AMD. Cons : kind of stupid if I want to upgrade to a new GPU later than having already a good iGPU, not compatible with thin itx board, have to buy expensive high bandwith memory in order to fully enjoy the amazing integrated vega gpu, (also may have to buy also a liquid cooler for small cases, add money, but also i could start with a basic cooler and upgrade later). > Aliexpress / Alibaba barebone PC with intel 7th generation CPU Pros : I guess the price is very correct. External power brick to save even more space. Cons : doesn't even know if the intel iGPU support 4K+HDR+ 10Bits+60fps buttery smooth. Info seems difficult to find, may be difficile to upgrade later, may have to DIY fix problems later on a machine that was designed in China (notice in chineese, bios in chineese, i don't really know if it worth it to buy theses chineeses things, but I will definitly consider it). That's why I really would love to know : Which is the "cheapest" Nvidia GPU that properly support buttery smooth 4K/HDR/10BITS/60FPS playback (As I plan to see what second hand product i can put my hand on)? Which is the "cheapest" AMD GPU that properly support buttery smooth 4K/HDR/10BITS/60FPS playback (As I plan to see what second hand product i can put my hand on)? Which is the "cheapest" intel iGPU that properly support buttery smooth 4K/HDR/10BITS/60FPS playback (As I plan to see what second hand product i can put my hand on)? I'm very worrying about the possibility to buy a product that "is supposed to support it" but doesn't. My Macbook Pro retina 13" early 15 is supposed to support 4K at 30hz, but in reality it doesn't AT ALL. That's why i'm looking for people that can help me on that. Keep in mind the idea is really to do the cheapest build possible, as basically it just because my macbook can't do that that i want to buy a new computer. What would be really perfect is that the build i make is small, and completely possible to upgrade. What would be the must is that I can find the cheapest amd/nvidia gpu that do the job, and build something REALLY cheap from second hand parts. It was an ultra good deal, but my last pc was less than 400$ (second hand, last year, i re sold it already), and had i5 6500, gtx 1060 6GB, SSD, 16GB of ddr4.. so like it's this kind of money i'm used to. Would feel weird to spend 600$ on something really less good, even if small. I would like to add that if you guys also have experience with tiny cases, with for example external power brick, i would enjoy to know your feedbacks on it, why you made it, etc.. Thanks !

hello german fellow then it's more silent and also more savy. as i said, if i run my 24/7 i will easily save the extra money on elictricity bill in like 2 years. so worth the investment if you run you'r pc a lot.

ok that explain it. thanks! i was really astonished it could be real 7°C, on a consumer-type youtube video. Even 7°C delta sounds risky, if you get close to delta 0

yeah true it just pure speculation. i just want to learn more about it, and know if ever i put money on an high end psu (like seasonic platinium) what can i expect from it. i just made a stupid calcul, but if i use my pc 24/7 during 100days of the years, for 10 years, then with a 100watt saving (like with a titanium psu at perfect load), i will end up saving US$400. so maybe it's smart to think about that. + you have a super good psu that give perfect load to your pc.

i'm new to overclock and just see results in that vid : the guy have some 7°C temperature at idle, but i wonder if some water is in the air, could it condensate and for long usage attack the metal plate protecting the cpu? thanks

good to know, any experience about quality PSU's? can they last like, 20/30years? the one i'm looking into is guaranteed 12 years already.. !! i don't know if it's a bit stupid to buy one like that, that will probably still work for every build i'll have in my life, or if the odds something wrong happen in a timeframe of like 20years make buying several "cheap-correct" psu more efficient and price savy. In an other way, even if the motherboard + CPU/GPU is i guess well protected against any "not perfection" in the psu, I feel like it's always better to have a super quality PSU for all my pc components. but really i don't know.

I don't know if it's worth playing lottery... but yes.. if it's $300 and you don't pay any tax.. why not.. if it would be 250€... that would be really cheap for europe, where the asus one is like 800€!!

I have kind of the pc of my dream in mind, but can't build it straight because of the price. Now my config use 300/400w max of power and I don't need a 1200W PSU. But if i buy a quality one, will it drain more watt for the same config? Or will it adapt to drain "just what is needed"? thanks

My build will come with two titan volta in sli

i really don't understand people who want less when you can have more. If i can have 5/10fps more, why don't accept it? would you refuse an update that imrpove you'r FPS by 5/10? no? so you understand my logic. and having 2 dual channels packs (4x8gb), will it be less efficien than only one, because 8700k doesn't support quad channel memory? thanks

apparently the sweet spot is at 3866mhz.

this is only 4 games tested and it show improvement for some speed. i just want better if possible so 3% is always better. this at least clearly show than 3866mhz improve performance.

i already maxed out all the rest and still have money to spend so that's why i want to know

Just want to know how many more FPS i can expect and other stuff that are better with this RAM. I want to couple it with 8700K and as i heard i'll need to lower the voltage because intel advice 1.35V +- 5% instead of the 1.5V of this DDR4 that i guess make the clock very high. i would like also to know if there is any difference using 2x8GB in dual channel or 4x8GB in 2x Dual channel since new generation cpu only support dual channel and no quad channel. would it be better to have only 2x8GB instead of 4x8gb because of this dual channel thing. do you know any benchmark that show the difference between this high clock ram and lower ones? thanks the guy who plan to spend $1000 for 32gb of ram

Yeah, i'm pretty sure i red a comment saying something about what will be the panel after 6-12 months, maybe it wasn't you, no offense dude. the whole utility of theses forum posts is to make sure we have enough information before buying / recommending, and to tips each other about that with what we know. so thanks you for your very useful informations, i appreciate it! about what you said, few points : first don't expect the real cost price of a panel (parts + labour) being any close to half the retail price. Margins are in an other area, i mean you have tons of intermediate that take a part, and even the source usine sell at a price people are ok to buy, not at the price it worth. Depending on demand, competition, rarity of the raw materials they use.. (that can be cheap but difficult to have in huge quantity for example) etc etc so for me price is not really something to see first, look xiaomi, some of their phone are exact same copy of some of iphone models, but with longer battery and 1/3 of the price (think iphone 5C). anyway, about deception of linus not making an in depth review, linus is a youtube businessman that touch his part for making the video, it's obvious he even give the ebay link to buy it. so yeah for this price it can't be better than $700 asus one, and the compagny that sell it surely asked linus to just make people buy it, not making a real review that would, especially tech enthusiast that drink linus words like the truth, make them be not sure of this being a real good product.. anyway, linus is not so bad he give us the opportunity to talk about it here! and he host it! haha. i wonder what a B model can look like. i know a normal issue on ips panels is brightness uniformity, and yes i think color uniformity too, but not 100% sure about this last one. // about me i would wonder if it worth it. would movie looks amazing on it? or just ok. about the compatibility thing, it's a bit weird, because they don't quote all the gtx gpus, it would worth to have the information about that. about the ebay description being uncorect, i really doubt it. ebay description are uncorect for cheap crap or when it's obvious. i'm sure the description is correct. maybe linus received an other model, i don't know. about overdrive it do have an overdrive mode, is it working i don't know but it's on the description. i think we should share this to a lot of product testers, at the end we will know what can be achieved with a $300 / cheap fast wqhd ips monitor ps: for dp version i wouldn't worry that much, it's obviously a dp version that support 144hz@WQHD. but true for the freesync range it's a bit a deception. i really think adding g sync to a panel really increase the final cost a lot. that's just maybe what we are paying for on $700 asus one, this + all the taxes and intermediate we pay when don't buy directly to someone directly from the factory...

mmmh, you justify nothing, argue that you are right how you want people taking you seriously. i would be really amazed to see a TN panel better than an IPS one in ANY CASE. TN has always been bad for color quality/colors reproduction, uniformity, ... to my knowledge the only way they found is to higher the resolution, WQHD looks better but even ips win really far the contest. i would be really interested in such a panel. wanting to game with better colors than my "cheap" 144TN, for example for non fps games, wanting to see movies with decent colors (that my tn can't), would be a very good choice at a price i can pay for. For me theses others Asus / Acer FAST IPS at the price of a full config are really too expensive for me. $300 is a sweet spot. and i think you are really going too far saying it wont last 6-12months.. korea is the first country of the world for gaming, i think they know what is a gaming usage. also really i never sawn anyone telling his monitor, even an ultra cheap one, bugged or died and that they had to buy a new one. it happen but i think it's the same for any brand. About that maybe "B type", i think we don't know, nobody reviewed this monitor, and if light uniformity; ips defaults are a bit worse with that monitor than with an high end one, it still worth the $400/$500 saved. In addition to the fact that ANYWAY, even the high end very expensive fast asus / acer ips are basically not made for photo / movies, and are still bad at that compare to the other one, non gaming, more cheaper, made especially for basic usage (movies, web, photos, etc..). Really, when i'm sure there is not BIG default on this monitor, like even with an ICC impossible to have good colors, or light uniformity really that bad, i think i will buy it. perfect for movies, photo and non fps gaming. there's something i don't really understand on their description though, they say : * Graphic Card Compatibility- It uses Bypass type board. Compatibility issue with Graphic card and Mainboards may occur. Please check the compatibility before purchase. And my GPU, 1060 6GB, is not listed...

Yeah, I do notice a difference between 8K and 9k, especially when i'm aiming. Please brink 9k real

I would love a 1ns input lag mouse with a 1ns input lag monitor, 14bit color 8K 500hz, HDR2 1ns input lag keyboard , along with a 8k capable game that run smoothly at 2000+FPS to be sure we miss nothing out of the monitor. all of that with less than 1ns input lag 7.1 headset. about the game i would love perfect graphics, lights calculous on the go and sound too that match perfectly the reality (bounce on walls like it does in reality). do you think the 3k17 gamer will have it? haha