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Because I was reading about the 16+1+2 phase designs. I mean the VRM stage I understand where it's 8 and basically in parallel and 1 for the integrated graphics but the 2 x aux has to do with the 12V input I assume? Does it have to do with 8+4 vs 8+8 connectors where 8+4 is one aux phase and the 8+8 two aux phases? Seeing more 14th gen boards having two phase aux power. I'm wondering whether that'd be a problem with my Asus Proart Z790 Creator when it comes to running a 14900K at it's full boost, although a sticker outside the package says Next Gen CPU ready.

What's the difference between 1 and 2 x Phase AUX Powers?

Any other case that you can recommend than the 802? I'm building a case for audio production but it doesn't have to be nose isolated, just need something solid with good airflow. PS: Didn't like the flex on the North.

Apparently people aren't thinking at all otherwise they wouldn't buy a connector from a third party for their 4090 that pushes over 450 watts over a single cable. And then even people like Steve have sloppy, I don't care reviews where the same problem he mentions occurs in another product and he fails to point it out.

For testing a build I used to do that yes but now I have to be afraid that it'll flex and I'd have to put the case fully together before finishing the wiring and testing. Is it really such a high demand to have a case's frame hold together by itself nowadays? Would you buy a cooler that falls apart when you take the fan off? Or the radiator of an AIO that is split into 3 pieces, tubes in between and holds together once you attach it to the case? The level of complacency when it comes to the quality of cases is frighteningly high. Anything is just as strong as the weakest link in the chain.

It doesn't have survive a truck collision loI. Just want a case whose frame doesn't require the side panels to complete it's structural integrity. How are nowadays' Be Quiet cases doing?

"It flexed easily without a GPU installed". No thank you, who'd buy such a case when it's not even stable without a GPU installed wtf.

I mainly look at the quality of the frame, where you'd take the sides off and it would still be rigid, like a Mac Pro for example, which used to be my daily driver till 2016. Just want the frame to hold itself and be sturdy, not flexing.

What's in your opinion are the PC cases with the studiest frame / rigidity? Do Be Quiet cases fall under the category? How do popular case such as the Lian Li 216 and Fractal North peform?

Is there any quality difference between Type 4 and the new 5 cables?

Proart just arrived, manufacturing date says 2023-02, which is February of this year. Also box is scruffy, red flag? Was ordered new at Amazon. Should I try a different retailer or is that normal?

I mean, the Taichi Lite has crazy specs for just 400 Euro here, 24 VRM phases, 2 x 16 Gen5, 1 x Gen 5 NVMe, 1 x Gen4 slot, 4080 and Sabrent DAC, Thunderbolt 4, lots of ports, 2 x Ethernet, lots of SATA ports, Post code etc cetera. That's like features of two Asus motherboards combined. Only the 10G is missing that I'd get from picking the Proart Z790 Creator which I could add by installing a card and I'd still be value-wise a lot better than with the Asus. But at what price? Support, BIOS functionality and general durability through how it's designed to operate all the controllers? I should be super happy about this product and simply pick it for the specs and features but when I look on their website for example, it's very badly designed, Infos are scarce, I have to call a hotline at the Netherlands HQ to gain information etc cetera. I've figured out that they actually give 3 years of warranty for their Taichi products. If I wasn't biased at all, purely based on the specs, the Taichi Lite should be the best pick right? Or am I missing something? Just from a comfort pick of view, it'd be obviously the Asus, having more trust in the product but simply going by the specs, it's Taichi Lite all the way.

That's why I purchased a Corsair PSU without a 3.0 EOL connector. I went for the Corsair HX1000i which is a platinum PSU because I found a great deal for 200 Euro and the Shift RMX has the stupid shifted panel, is Gold rated and 180 Euro. Both are ATX 3.0 rated and don't have that now redundant connector. https://www.corsair.com/de/de/p/psu/cp-9020259-eu/hx1000i-fully-modular-ultra-low-noise-platinum-atx-1000-watt-pc-power-supply-cp-9020259-eu

12VHPWR of current PSUs will be replaced by a new one and some PSUs can just then get an adapter. Exactly, I mean it's partly compatible without the protection that new PSUs will offer.

The Proart also has Thunderbolt support. So I'm not gaining anything with the VRMs on the Taichi when it comes to stability with the 14th Gen? If I really wanted to run a 14900K at it's full capability specd by Intel's Turbo? Over the Taichi or not by much? Just running the standard boost of whatever 5.4 something? So you're saying you'd potentially recommend the Taichi over the Proart based on your experience with Asus? I rather meant the BIOS software talking to the Board rather than the Windows software. Yeah you're right, thinking about it it's an odd board with features in the middle not commiting to something besides the Postcode. So you're saying despite the Postcode, you'd rather recommend the Proart as a board, also for 14th Gen even though the VRAM is a lot better on the Taichi? Or is that also dependant on how they implement it with their BIOS? Would the Proart be able to run the 14900K nicely at it's turbo of apparently 5.7 GHz as long as cooling is a available without straining / overheating the VRMs? I just don't mind getting something nice onboard when it comes additionally, besides the external solutions. I do have an extern AD/DA converter, the Lynx Aurora (n), it's amongst or rather the most transparent converter on the market, feeding my ProAc SM 100 and Amphion One 18s through a Bryston 3BST Pro with trim options: https://www.lynxstudio.com/products/aurora-n/

Also one advantage I've heard of is that the Proart will immediately be exchanged when faulty because it falls under the server motherboard category apparently, is that true? You don't have to send it in first.

Currently deciding between Proart Z790 / Gaming-E vs Taichi Lite still. Between the 2 Asus Boards Proart advantages - Dual x16 Gen 5 - 10G - 5 Years warranty - Thunderbolt Gaming-E advantages - Better VRM - PCIe 5 NVMe - lots of USB ports - Postcode - better audio I mean I could later on add a thunderbolt card and 10g network card. Also generally the question whether the onboard Gen5 M.2 is worth it? Technically two could be added over the Z790 Proart's PCIe slot right? What do you think between the two boards? And yeah lastly is the Z790 Taichi Lite, which has the best features of them all, 24 phase VRM, Gen 5 M.2, 2 x 16 Gen 5 PCIe, Thunderbolt, good amount of USB ports, 2.5g and 1g Internet, incredible audio, feels like it stacks features of two Asus Boards together into one. But then, I'm not very trustful when it comes to the ASRock, it feels like we slap a lot of stuff on it but are software and controller / performance / durability / bios wise not as good as the rest. Also God knows what the actual warranty for the Taichi Lite is, also their website looks like from 2001. But I'd really would like to use the Taichi Lite, but my trust in ASRock for operation and durability is very low, also don't know about the drivers. What do you think, what should I do? All parts are ordered besides the motherboard. I'm between the Proart, Strix Gaminf-E and Taichi Lite but really would love the Taichi Lite to be a good product because it packs the most features of them all. But I need for my computer to last for the next 5 years and perform well. Btw I'm very grateful for you to bear with me, haven't experienced such kindness and support on the Internet for a very long time.

I also found really good offers for the following boards: ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Master Do you think either of these would be a better choice for durability and stability for 14th Gen CPUs than the Proart?

I really want to get the Pure Power, it has a great price, great reviews, is ATX 3.0 compatible with the upcoming new connector but doesn't have no fan mode and no Japanese capacitors. https://hwbusters.com/psus/how-to-select-a-new-psu-now-with-the-12vhpwr-upcoming-change/ The thing is I have to order today because I have to put my build together in 3 days.

The list isn't complete and very small because there are a bunch of new ones certified missing and not yet tested and on the list, which says 3.0 compatible, only the RMx and RMe are 2x6 compatible the rest has the 12VHPWR. https://www.corsair.com/de/en/p/psu/cp-9020259-eu/hx1000i-fully-modular-ultra-low-noise-platinum-atx-1000-watt-pc-power-supply-cp-9020259-eu But then the question is whether the old version was already compatible: https://www.corsair.com/de/en/p/psu/cp-9020214-eu/hx1000i-fully-modular-ultra-low-noise-platinum-atx-1000-watt-pc-power-supply-eu Here's another one that isn't on the list: https://www.corsair.com/de/de/p/psu/cp-9020246-eu/sf-l-series-sf1000l-fully-modular-low-noise-sfx-power-supply-cp-9020246-eu Corsair's website is horrible though, I'm getting better results from my price listing site and links than theirs lol. The list is misleading because most of them have the 12VHPWR and that is not an option, only the RMe, RMx and Be Quiet Pure Power 12 are 3.0 certified and don't have that stupid 12VHPWR. The ones I found above aren't even on the list. There is only one EVGA PSU left on the German market

Most of them still have the 12VHPWR besides Corsair and Be Quiet which are officially 3.0 certified. Is there a list of 2.3 ones which are 3.0 compatible but not officially certified?

Seems to be the only PSUs with that compatibility are the Be Quiet Pure Power and RMx?

Are there any power supplies with ATX 3.0 that are compatible with 12V-2x6 and can be purchased right now? What PSU should I buy? I need to finish my setup in 3 days. All I see, besides Corsair RMx and Be Quite 12, still have that 12VHPWR connector. However that Sidepanel the RMx sports isn't an option for me and the regular version isn't ATX 3.0 compatible yet as it seems. So it's only Be Quiet?

That's what I was hoping for, unused pins that already tie in with bandwidth usage. To be honest I don't know whether the info was old but it was on a recent article but we'll see anyways once Intel officially introduces them.

With the launch of the 14th gen CPUs, would it be possible for motherboard manufacturers to allow for 2 slot Gen 5 support at x16 with q simple bios update? Since 14th Gen will have 4 more lanes available.