Master Sonic Wisebeard

Agreed! I got hit with this myself. My Nas was using a raid 5 array and i did not have a backup of the data. When i started having access problems i didn't think anything of it and ignored it because after a while it seemed to resolve itself. Fast forward a couple months and the motherboard died. The long and short of it was I lost about 10TB of data. That hurt. Yea If you don't have your heart set on RAID 10 then i would sugest using a RAID 5, But if your paranoid now about data loss because you've had failures like I now am, then throw in another drive and make a RAID 6 for the dual disk redundancy. But again, it won't mean alot unless you have a backup

Your PCIE lane count is off. you listed 58, actual count from your numbers is 60. The WD reds use a SATA interface, not a PCIE interface. SATA 3 is equal to about 1 PCIE 2.0 lane speed. 600 Mb vs 500Mb respectively. PCIE 3.0 being equivelent to 1 gbp/s. Also irrelevant as the peak and sustained speeds for those drives would not exceed 250 Mb. So what I’m saying is they will not have much impact on the PCIE lane count. If you connect them through a PCIE raid or HBA card then all you’d need is a card that has a 4 PCIE 2.0 or 3.0 interface and you’re good to go. Or alternatively you could connect them through the chipset on the motherboard. Which I believe for Threadripper has 4 PCIE 3.0 connection to the CPU. So if you do it this way: 2x samsung 960pro nvme 512gb m. 2 os drives=8lanes 4x wd red 3tb hhd in raid 10= 4 lanes – (some kind of interface card) 1x ssd samsung evo 512gb for raid cache= 4lanes GTX 1080ti but might change depending on gtx 2080 release specs=16 lanes GTX 1070 for misses=16 lanes That gives you 48 lanes all direct to the CPU. Now the interface card for the hard drives will probably be a 8x lane card. I believe that’s more of the industry standard. But if that’s the case you still have 8 lanes left that are direct to the CPU, as threadripper had 4 of its 64 lanes dedicated to the chipset. If you wanted more lanes for something else you could free up 8 lanes each for the GPU’s running them in 8X mode instead of 16X.

Oh, ok. I didn't know that. I like browsing through the site to see what kind of parts they have, I always just assumed they were the goto guys for liquid cooling parts

That pus is listed as tier 6 on the forums power supply tier list General rule of thumb, don't cheap out on power supplies. when they die they like to take other components with them. Also the website says something about its max combined output is only 385w? http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001755 personally I’ve had 2 power supplies die on me (Store bought computer with cheapo units) and both times it took the motherboard with it. I would suggest taking a look through that post and find better quality power supply and save a bit longer if you have to, to get it.

Took a look through FrozenCPU.com This is the only thing i found between 300mm and 400mm - primochill 360mm series http://www.frozencpu.com/products/24349/ex-res-773/PrimoChill_CTR_Phase_II_Reservoir_System_360mm_-_Clear_CTR2-LPB-36.html?tl=g30c97s165#blank couple different colors available. but yea, I guess the consensus from manufactures are if you need/want bigger than 300mm then you should just get 400mm lol

To answer the OP’s original question, I have a 6 core 3960X. Still using it too. Have been for like 5 years now. And no regrets. I love having the additional cores over the 4 core models from back then and even now. I don’t encode or do content creation, mostly general use and games. But what I will do is throw whatever at my pc and not care because it will handle it. I’ll run a game on my main monitor, watch a movie on my second while running voip program while doing antivirus and spyware scans while steam does some updating and not give a crap because I’ve got 12 threads to throw around. Yes the thing is old now and none of the threads are particularly fast but I never have to pick and choose what to open or leave running or stop what I’m doing because Bitdefender is a resource whore. Even little stuff like alt tabbing out of a game to open another game that you and your buddies are gona play but friend A is taking a piss so friend B goes to get something to eat so you keep playing Dragon age with Sins of a solar empire loaded and standing by cuz you know their gona be 15 min by the time they have themselves in order and loaded into the game lol. Regardless of if it’s with intel or AMD CPU’s my next build will be a minimum of 6 cores. I’ve gotten use to using my PC like that and I don’t want to lose that functionality. So yea, I have 6 cores and love it. As a recommendation if you’re building today with intel: 6800k if you’re cool with 28pice lanes 6850k if you want 40 PCIE lanes They both OC to 4.4 as per tom’s hardware review, google it and you can find the link pretty easy If you can wait, do so and see what intel responds with on the x299’s pricing. Spec wise alone it should be worth waiting

Agreed, just before the launch AMD straight up said that ryzen would be on par with Broadwell E. People also seem to have forgotten that intel’s own skylake/kabylake ICP is 5-10% faster than Broadwell. Once Zen's clock speed was known there shouldn’t of been any doubt that it wouldn’t be the best performer for gamming. What it is, is more cores on a die and sold for less $

I think what everyone means is that EVGA's warranty team are easier to deal with and less dickish when it comes to warranty claims. Some companies follow their rules to the letter while other may not.

I'm guessing that the no responses means this topic is super boring (which it kind of is for anyone not me lol) or that I didn't miss / overlook anything in my original post

This is the situation So in a simple sense, I have both not enough storage and lack of access to my storage All of my tech is old and I have basically 0 funds to remedy any of my issues. The nice thing is I have a some old tech that isn’t being used My set up My PC has an 480Gb ocz Revo 3 x2 pcie SSD This drive is my main and only drive at the moment This has been an issue because it suffers from performance slowdowns as it fills up Also the main problem is its not big enough for all my games. I have to pick and choose what games to have installed. I really hate that. Plus it’s a waste of time when you’ve got a buddy who you both own the same games but neither of you have the same ones installed at the moment. And I’m always the one who has to download the new game because I pay for internet that doesn’t suck. Plus it wastes like 20 – 30 minutes getting it downloaded and started. I truly hate not having all my games available at once. I’m pretty A.D.D. about what I want to play and often I feel like playing something that I don’t have installed but say to heck with it because I don’t want to find a game to uninstall and then download the new one. I have a few games from Steam bundles that I have literally never played because of this. My NAS is a 5 bay Drobo NAS box filled with 5 x 3TB Seagate barracuda drives This is my bulk storage and currently holds my media library – Last estimate was around 7 or 8 TB It houses the only copy of my media. It runs in Drobo’s proprietary disk redundancy mode for up to 1 disk failure tolerance This things main problem is I can’t connect to it consistently. There are literally weeks at a time where it won’t show up on my network and then for a few weeks it will work just fine. The hot swap mix match drive size feature sounded sweet when I bought it but the lack of reliability in staying connected has freaked me out. Google searches has resulted in downloading the new dashboard software and a lot of posts about drobo’s breaking and holding people data hostage while drobo support attempts to help them a year or so later. Attached to my PC is a 2 TB external drive Hard drive that has been acting as my storage volume for additions to my library. Normally I would dump this periodically to my Drobo NAS but since my Drobo has not always been showing up, I’ve kept all my additions on it. It’s approaching 1 TB full now This is the tech I have laying around 4 x 3TB WD Greens from an old 4 bay USB 2.0 box (don’t want us use the box. It’s so freaking slow at 20 MB/s MAX speeds lol) 1 x 3TB unknown drive from an old USB 2.0 hard drive enclosure. I think its WD but I’m not sure. It was a gift that I almost never used because of the USB 2.0 . I want to tear down the enclosure and salvage the drive from it The problems The Problems I’d like to solve are 1.) have as many of my games installed on my PC as I can 2.) Consolidate my library (would have to check but it’s probably 8-9TB with plans to grow) 3.) Have access to my libraries at all times from my PC 4.) Ideally have an actual back up of my library Some other goals would be 1.) Have games or my library not be super slow 2.) Eventually set up a plex or other media serving system for my phone / Smart TV. It’s pretty hard to get this working when the Box the media is on is unavailable lol The solutions This is what I’m thinking of doing For my pc and the game problem I’m thinking of taking the 3 TB salvage drive from my USB enclosure and dropping that in. Then I’m move all my steam and other games off my SSD to that HDD. I really don’t think I’d use more than 100 GB of the SSD for non-game data. It will suck for loading but there’s only so much you can do with no funds lol. And I think I will be happier with having all my games accessible anyways. I was also thinking of using either RAM cache or SSD cache to make this a bit faster. I do have the ram to spare (32GB) but it won’t give it a large cache and I’ve heard it a bit of screwing around to get it to work. I’m assuming it would be easier to just SSD cache it. I’m thinking partitioning my SSD and give the game HDD a 100 or 200 GB cache. I’ve never done this but from what I’ve read it will help. For the library storage I was going to use the 4 x 3 TB WD Greens and putting them in my PC. Now originally I was going put them in raid 5. I’ve heard WD greens don’t work in Raid and sometimes it can just make the raid break. Something to do with variable speed RPM. I’ve also heard that it can work just fine. So not sure about all that. Problem is after thinking about it for a while I’m not 100% sure they would have enough capacity after formatting to actually store my library. Even if it could I’m pretty sure it would be like 99% full and I’d be back to using my 2TB external for additions. So now I’m thinking of just setting it up as JBOD. to my understanding there is no redundancy for this but I would be able to get almost all of the storage capacity out of my drives. I would then wait until my drobo felt like working and pull the entire thing to my PC’s new library storage and use that as the daily driver and leave a copy on the NAS. The NAs would still have the connection problems but then I would at least have a backup copy even If it was a problem to get to. I mean, that’s got to be better than nothing right? It would also give me a little bit of storage capacity to grow until I can purchase something that works better. I would also give this PC library a partition of my SSD for a cache. My experience though with JBOD is basically nothing. I don’t even know how to set it up yet lol. You guys What do you guys think? As far as I can tell this is the only way to accomplish what I want with the 0 funds I have. (literally zero, my fiancé lost her job because the business caught fire and the job market isn’t great at the moment) And ideas of a better way to set this up or anything I may have overlooked? I appreciate the assistance and thanks for reading

2 instances of SLI in 1 system Ok so 2 part question, The set up I have 2 GTX 690’s in SLI and dual monitors. For anyone who doesn’t know, yes quad SLI is not a good idea. Pretty much no games use all 4 and the recommended settings from Nvidia’s drivers are to run the cards is 3 way SLI with the 4th GPU on PhysX duty. Nothing more frustrating that having horsepower in your pc and not being able to use it. In my defense when the system was commissioned 5 ish years ago I didn’t know much about computers or system building yet. I had more money than brains. So the first question is practical I was wondering if I could run my 690’s in independent SLI’s of each other. So simply I would run one monitor off one physical card running its internal SLI and the second monitor running off the other card. So I’d have 2 sli’s in the same system, one for each monitor. I wouldn’t expect this to gain anything’s by doing this really but at the same time I don’t think I wouldn’t lose much either. And probably wouldn’t change it up but it would be cool to know if it’s possible The next question is theory. If that works then technically could you run say 4 GTX 1080’s (or any other card really) in 2 x 2 SLI config on two monitors, or one of those monitors that is 2 panels in one (Like some of the high refresh rate 4k monitors. Can’t find the product pages). Or a better example would be a combination of those two videos Linus did about 8 gamers 1 CPU and the holy $h!t episode where he hooked up 4, 4k monitors to make an 8k setup. Use 8 GPU’s in a 4 x 2 config. Would that work? I haven’t been able to find this information online yet so any insight would be great. (also just thought of this today so haven’t had a chance to see what happens on my PC) Thanks,

I suppose I should of mentioned that I meant Windows 10 I always thought there was dividing line between consumer copies of windows and what version someone running a data center would use. I didn't know they were bascially the same thing Thanks for the enlightenment! lol

Thanks for the quick reply’s I honestly expected the answer to be a no because enterprise stuff is not nice to deal with but I guess that makes sense, only needing drivers. And yea for me I’d also go the 10gbe route if my storage array could put out the read and write speeds. But it would be fun to have

So this is a question that I haven’t been able to find an answer for. Will enterprise grade networking hardware work in a windows environment? For example, could someone purchase something like supermirco’s AOC-S25G-m2S network card https://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AOC-S25G-m2S.cfm and drop it in a desktop pc, purchase a second one for another PC and get the transfer speeds that are advertised? Would window even detect it? Would it know what to do with it? Could you in theory get a pair of banana’s 100gbit networking cards and connect 2 desktop PC’s with them at full speeds? This is purely a would it work question, please don’t reply with “no one would ever need it” or “it’s not worth it / feasible” Thanks in advance

Some good information here: http://www.swiftech.com/Resources/White_papers/Dual Loop versus Single.pdf In summary single loop is better and has more advantages than dual loop