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Coming up next is the main IO panel as I've named it. If you look into the case you will see how this will fit. It runs parallel to the motherboard running upwards. That is basically what the 5mm black sheet of acrylic is for. Many holes need to be drilled in it (I would say about 70+) lol so I've again created a rod. Not an issue though, I'll do all of those before I cut it out, so there will be a far less chance of any cracking or splitting. Think that one's gonna be a bit of a headphone job haha. Just get something calm playing (David Gray?) and then drilling frenzy

If you look at this pic here you can see it. The fan draws air in and passes it up over the fins, which are covered to make sure the air flow stays over the fins. That's basically what the cover does, allows the air to remain in a straight line

OK PSU box done. All I had to do today was basically clean off some of the overlapping glue (scalpel) and give it a wipe over before fitting the power button. Very happy with it. The last one I made was a bit messy so needed wrapping. This one shines Am growing a little concerned that the PSU simply has too many wires in it to make the side panel close, so I may have to open it up and remove some of the runs. Either that or cut them off close to the PSU and cap them (easier). Ignore those wires coming out they have to go up under the motherboard as there is no cable management for the EPS.

OK a few things of use to you. 1. The new consoles have 8gb GDDR5 available to them. Apparently 2gb of that is 'system reserved' the other 6gb is fair game. 2. If you're not going 4k then by all means get another 780ti. I just feel that it's too large an investment for 4k because the VRAM already doesn't cut it. 3. Nvidia are incredibly shrewd and crafty. Every time they launch a new high end card it literally has just enough VRAM on it. Titanfall is another game that will happily use 4gb. Nvidia know this and want you coming back every year or so, so they keep VRAM levels tight to make sure you come back. The only way to get around it was Titan, 780 6gb* and Titan Black. However, Nvidia made sure that the 6gb 780 was only made with open air custom cooling on so SLI was a pain. That is why I went Titan Black. Yes, they were far more expensive but I got the VRAM I wanted. It's allowed me to sit back and laugh at the 970 and 980, so that's £800 or so that I did not have to spend. All of a sudden my Titans feel cheaper. I am going 4k 100% when it has a decent refresh rate and some one like Hannspree come along and make it sensible. * I ran two 670s in SLI on open custom coolers. The top card was hitting 97c and truss, these were good coolers. The bottom card maxed out at 67c. Thus I wanted blowers but there were no 780 6gb with the stock Titan cooler on.. Buggers. 4. You will find that any game that has been coded for PS4 or Xbone will eat VRAM. This is simply because it's available to the devs so they will use it. Thus, when it's cross coded over to the PC the code will remain the same. So, if I were you I would get a second 780ti if you're not going over 1440p. I would buy it used, as they are going for cheap now for all of the serial upgraders who want the 980. Failing that I would go 970 SLI. However, 970 SLI does have its caveats. The rather crap memory bus does become a problem at 4k, and 4gb is right on the borderlines of what you really need (as I said, Nvidia making sure you come back next year). Before I get pounced on by the noobs, BTW. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_970_SLI/ Go through all of the results, paying close attention to the 4k scores. The 970s begin to fall off, and the 295x2 beat them in practically every game. That's because of the crap memory bus. Your 780ti has a better memory bus, but is missing the VRAM. Nvidia Always a caveat to keep you coming back

PSU box. Hole. Secondary reset button. Clean and dry. Clamp it into the workbench and line it up. And glue. Don't worry about any excess it is very easy to carve it off. So that's it for now. In about two hours I will be able to take it out of the bench and glue on the top.

How do you know it is bottlenecking? is it because your FPS are lower than some one using an I7 ? It's not bottle necking, dude. It's simply calling on the CPU and your CPU is not as good as an I7. To truly bottle neck a GPU you would need to saturate the PCIE lanes and bandwidth available to them. TBH even the term bottle necking is flawed and bullshit. Simple equation - a 780 GTX for example with a I7 4790k will put out higher FPS than, say, a 780 GTX and 8350 clocked to a comparative speed. However, that's not bottle necking it's just because the I7 (note bold letters to state I7 and *not* I5) is a faster CPU in absolutely everything than the FX 8.

Bottlenecks? lmao. You clearly don't understand how games work. Some games are coded to lay off of the CPU. In fact, most recent games are not CPU dependent and if AMD get their way (Mantle and HSA) then the CPU will be irrelevant. See also - DX 12. Just because you are only using a certain percentage of the CPU or GPU/s does not mean you have a bottleneck. It means the drivers are not working correctly, the game is poorly coded or many, many other things. I was in the top ten of Firestrike on OCUK running my 8320 and 670s in SLI (all nicely overclocked) and my GPU scores were no lower than any I7 rig. So the rest comes down to software. It's amazing how rubbish goes around the internet. One guy loads up a CPU monitor and states he is only using 60% of his CPU in a certain game and the sheep all come along and tell him he has a bottleneck. The only bottleneck on a GPU is the bandwidth available to it via the PCIE lanes. And you'd be very, very hard pushed to saturate the bandwidth completely with any GPU subsystem available these days. PCIE 3 makes it even harder. Furmark as an example will stress the GPU, and only the GPU, to 100%. No ifs, no ands, no buts. Prime 95 will stress *any* CPU to 100%. Again, no ifs etc. So if you run both together then you will be running your CPU and GPU to 100% at the same time. If a game can not or does not do that it's down to the game. As I said, about three times now, you need to understand how this stuff works at a low level. PC games are slop cross coded from a console.

Good for you. Oh how I love seeing some one do the Ostrich Move .

I gots acrylic !

You simply offset by clocking the shit out of the AMD. It really is that simple tbh.

Yeah hardcore AMD fanboy 'til I die. Where's the rolling eyes emoticon... :rolleyes: Not forgetting this... http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/209051-x-8-featuring-white-lightning-an-8-core-hackintosh/ Which is my 8 core Ivybridge Xeon. As for AMD? Oh yeah, and this of course, my media rig. So let's look at that shall we? Xeon Westmere 6/12 running GTX 670 SLI. 1366. 3970x 6/12 running Titan Black SLI. 8 core Xeon running OSX. FX 8320 @ 4.9ghz with a 7990. Kabini media rig. So that's 5 rigs in total, 3 of which are running Intel. Not only that but they're absolute top end Intels, two of which are worth closing in on a thousand pounds. And you know what? the AMD rig kicks ass. I benched it vs the Xeon and it kicked the Xeon's ass, thanks to Intel's derped clock speeds and locked multi. So between us? I would say I am far, far more educated than you on the capabilities of the AMD FX 8. Far, far more experienced and far more educated. And I'm telling you - No Intel I5, not even Haswell or the latest refresh of Haswell can go anywhere near a FX 8, *any* FX 8, when the FX is supported properly. That may not be now but it's coming. Why the fuck do you think AMD have not bothered to move on? why do they keep releasing the same CPU over and over again with higher frequencies? why does it sell? I'll tell you - because there's fuck all wrong with it. So again, moving from a FX 8 to an I5 would be a side grade. Yes, in older/shit/poorly coded games the I5 will win, but in anything else the FX 8 will win hands down. And, that's far more than you would believe tbh. There are tons of games either recently released or slated to come to the PC which will support the FX properly, thanks to AMD's shrewd move of managing to tuck two of their 8 core CPUs into the consoles. That is why AMD are not wasting money on pointless IPC and new CPUs, they are concentrating more on getting the ones they already have properly supported. BTW, seeing as you were waving your blue willy around here's mine. All of which is completely irrelevant of course.

8320 @ 5ghz. So that's less than 10% slower than your I7. However, it cost over 50% less to buy. Now let's look at a 2700k @ 4.7ghz. So I would like to see any one here explain to me why the I5 is ever faster than the FX 8, given it mixes it with the earlier I7s. I saw Windows 7 because the likelihood is that you are using Windows 7 (or it was used) when those benchmarks were ran. As for how many cores it supports? see my analogy. You would not run a 0-60 test on a car with three wheels removed. If you want to compare CPUs you must do it properly, where both are fully supported. Otherwise it's cherry picking which is cheating. As for "destroy"? less than 10% between a CPU that costs around £100, compared to the one you paid £280+ for. I don't see that as destroying in any shape or form, so you should watch your words in future. If I go harder on my FSB and lower on the multi and combine that with a higher NB clock I can get to 810. That's 60 points less than your I7. So, as I said earlier in the thread and I reiterate - No I5, not even the very latest Haswell refresh, is powerful enough to take on an AMD FX 8. Not when the FX is supported properly. As for your I3 benchmarks? put the wheels back on the car. As I already mentioned, those games are either old or shite.

Oh you mean that cock I've got on ignore?

Huge pics removed. Fuck me, where do I start? First of all 3DMark Vantage was created in 2008. So obviously it only supports 4 cores. 3Dmark 11 supports 6 cores (because they always code primarily to test Intel chips) and Firestrike et al support 8 cores. Secondly, Windows 7 does not work properly with the FX range of processors. And I mean *all* FX processors. It simply does not understand more than 4 cores. Core parking issues, cores sitting idle.... Any way, I'll leave Microsoft to explain, with patches that did not work properly and were promptly removed, leaving the FX still fucked in Windows 7. http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/2645594 http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/2646060 So first and most foremost, Windows 8 is essential given it actually understands the FX CPU. Then moving on. Judging a CPU because the software you are running on it is shit is absolutely stupid. You wouldn't buy a fucking car, remove three of the wheels and then rate its 0-60 would you? so why are you babbling on about software that doesn't work properly on FX CPUs because it only supports two cores. OK so onward and upward. No I3, not even a Haswell, will touch the FX CPUs. You seem to be forgetting that the FX CPUs are unlocked. Honestly, I do like this place but fuck me some of the crap people talk on here. I'll say it again. Go away and run Cinebench R15, 3Dmark Firestrike and anything that supports 8 cores and then come back to me with your scores. The problem here is not the FX CPU. It is down to Intel. Oh go on, why is that then? Because basically Intel have been far too precious with their multi core technology. Hyperthreading is not a base standard and is reserved for more expensive CPUs. By doing this you create fragments in the market and the developers will always code for the "Joe Public" processors, not the hideously expensive ones. Their processors go from 2 cores to 12 cores. However, they are not all in the same markets and price brackets, meaning that developers just look to whatever is the standard. Support will change now, but not because the devs actually give a fuck about us. All they're doing is coding for an X86 8 core console. That means that code should translate over to the PC. Titanfall is a good example of this, and happily uses lots of VRAM because the consoles have it on tap.

IDrive (or something).

Depends. Clock for clock? yes. However, most 8XXX chips will do 4.6ghz where as the 1100T could only really manage about 4.2. OP - if you're happy with it leave it. However, upgrading to a more recent CPU and ram would give you some gains.

Sort of an update. So last week I ordered a new rotary tool. I had a Silverline but the chuck lock went so I couldn't get bits in and out. I ordered another one, and to be fair it did last around 13 months, but sadly it too has suffered the same fate. Back when I lived in the USA I had a Firestorm by Black and Decker. So I ordered the UK equivalent here. Now what I like most about it is the locking mechanism. No more pressing a button you simply pull over a lever. Only issue is the lever on the UK model is plastic, which is kinda disappointing. Ah well, it seems to work any way. So today after braiding a few cables (power button, reset button etc) I was bored as fuck. So I decided to make a cover for the hard drive. First I photocopied the drive, then cut out the covering sticker that I had copied and glued it down to some acrylic. Then I cut it (and carved it) and then polished the black edges before fitting some glittered vinyl. I'm very happy with how it came out. All it needs now is an Apple logo and it'll be done.

It's a side grade. *sigh* if you only understood. Never mind, your money do what you like with it. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future-proofing-your-pc-for-next-gen

And as I said, wrong temps. You want to be using HWMON (free) and keep an eye on the package temp. That's the important one. Once you start drifting into the 70s it's cat and mouse with a lock up

My 4.9ghz 8320 and 7990 totally disagree with you. 99% of games either don't care about the CPU *or* the game is crap any way or old and not worth playing. Mantle (and DX12 as M$ have been scared into doing the same) aims to totally and completely eliminate the CPU from the equation. In a couple of years you will be able to use some crappy £30 CPU and high end GPU with no ills. Flat out balls to the wall the FX 8 is a faster and more powerful chip. It doesn't have the IPC of the Intel but that's not important when you have two X86 consoles, both using a crap 1.7ghz 8 core Jaguar. IE - that CPU is crap, meaning every game coded for those consoles will need to lean on the graphics subsystem as hard as it can and then BINGO BONGO ! that sort of coding slops its way over to the PC. Man, what a way to completely wank money.

FFS the I5 is no faster than the 8320. Stop letting the Intel fanboys brainwash you ! Your 8 core AMD can easily keep up with any I5. Benchmarks usually all favour the AMD (810 Cinebench R15, 10,000 Firestrike Physics). Just get the GPUs and then see how you get on. I command you to spot any difference at all between the 8320 and the I5 in game. Honestly replacing your CPU is a waste of money and a waste of time. You won't see any noticeable difference unless you go for a hex core E chip, and even then you won't 'see' it any way you'll just see higher numbers coming back from your benchmarks.

No not really. SLI works better on AMD 990 chipsets than it does on Intel ones, hilariously. With that sort of overclock you're absolutely fine. Sure you'd see higher if you had a hex core Intel but they cost the earth and then some. I ran GTX 670s in SLI on my 8320 @ 4.7-4.9 (I have profiles) and saw no ills. I now run a 7990 in there as it's smaller and easier to cool.

Daily update. Still no acrylic and like an idiot I spent too much money on a cinema sound bar, so I can't order more from another place. Any way, what's the point of this update? well, I've been doing all of the small jobs that I would usually either forget, or, leave. So today I braided the power button and made sure the connector was covered in white shrink. I also braided the reset button, and, glued the top floating fan cables into position so that they don't catch the fans and rip out. Not much, but at least it was something to do. At some point today I need to get out the I9 Steambox and rob some parts from it (the build that was cancelled, I still have it complete in the box). So I'll take some pics later

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