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2 hours ago, lw88 said:

Bumping to say I was wrong about ozone. The 3k uses the pixart 3320, and the m50 uses the pixart 3310. Both are very good optical sensors.

Which doesnt matter in Neon 3k´s case as the Firmware is utter crap, its Max Tracking Speed is around 1.5m/s, so basically half of what it should be.

1 hour ago, Rulley said:

From what I understood is that, the higher dpi the more sensitive the mouse, hence it's smoother.

Smoother? No. If there is a theoretical advantage depends on Sensor used and Firmware, PMW3310 for example would be 30*30 and with all other factors included you end somewhere at 800 as "base", which is then scaled via DSP.

On 13.4.2017 at 9:10 PM, Aytex said:

 

 but quality control lacks very much

Thats kind of  a meme as the tooling and fitting done by Primax is top notch. 

On the other Hand Zowie is using the Factory where Razer´s "bad" rep actually came from.

8 hours ago, UppercaseOne said:

I have recently received my Razer Mamba TE Wired mouse and love vast amount of customizable options, but there's one thing I can't seem to wrap my head around: DPI. I've tinkered with the settings and found a good neutral spot for browsing, but as I start to get into more competitive gaming I can't seem to find a sweet-spot for games like FPS's. Are there any tips or set presets that I should try that you have? 

Depends on your surface, set it to the highest possible cpi step without noticeable jitter to counteract PTE's CPI damping.

 

The sensor has acceleration built in, so it will feel very different and strange in FPS games every time you play.

It's a fucking horrible mouse for FPS and gaming.. 

It doesnt as it is using PTE, it however has the aforementioned CPI damping, which unfortunately isnt adjustable on Razer mice. Also depends on the surface how well PTE does.

7 hours ago, Aytex said:

The Mercury sensor is pretty good for such a cheap mouse, as the shell is the same as the logi G pro, but it uses cheaper switches

 

Iirc the frame rate of the sensor doesn't adjust in different modes

Low speed precision and array size is worse as well, but  its a budget product compared to the Pro, and quite ahead of the sub 40$ competition.

On 30.3.2017 at 10:06 PM, TheGhzGuy said:

Issue with the G203 is that it costs only 3 dollars less than the G402. The G302, though, that's 28 on Amazon

Dont see the issue, if it is about bang per buck, the G402 has more "tech", while the G302 has newer "tech". Regardless i would rather choose on what makes sense in terms of performing ingame.

On 28.3.2017 at 8:33 PM, TheGhzGuy said:

Ahh, yeah, I'm used to a crazy light mouse, so I guess I'd be fine with it. But it's good to know that the G402's buttons are useful. (Would be nice to have more buttons than the Naos)

Its not like lightweight is a disadvantage.

Though in your case i would advise against the G402 and rather recommend the G203, obv it doesnt have many buttons, but transitioning to it should be a lot easier.

Just saying, but the G502 isnt usually recommendable for low sensitivities due to its high weight, especially considering its size.

On 26.3.2017 at 11:27 PM, techstorm970 said:

 (it's a good one, trust me ),

Not really, the performance was barely mentioned.

7 hours ago, Gandek said:

How do i do that

With microes moustester and a ruler.

7 hours ago, Gandek said:

I'm a competitive CS:GO gamer mostly does the sensor still have acceleration?

EDIT: Also my sens feels a lot faster in CS:GO despite playing at the same DPI as the zowie

DA never had "acceleration" in any iteration, as for feeling faster, measure the real cpi of both mice, and adjust the sense accordingly, most likely the DA:E will still faster as it has lower motion latency.

Deathadder Chroma offers the better performance, however you are stuck with just 1 CPI step if you uninstall Synapse.

Just now, DaemonWarrior44 said:

I'll check that out. But, what about the Razer Abyssus V1? It seems pretty decent: https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-abyssus

The Abyssus only has two native cpi steps, being 1800/3500, using any other reduces performance.

Just now, DaemonWarrior44 said:

This is the biggest online store in South America: http://www.mercadolibre.com.ar/
P.S: USD1 = ARS16

Well, the Logitech G203 would be the best performing cheap option.

If its supposed to be cheap, why not just buy rechargeable batteries?

Just now, Zereftbr said:

Hi, i haven't used the mice but it has the best sensor on the market PMW3360 so atleast the sensor is good, and the rest depends on prefrence. weight 110 grams compered to death adder's 148 grams (Sorry but most likley wrong deathadder weight) Razer DeathAdder Chroma weight is 100g without cable and has the 3989 sesor witch is good but not as good as 3360. Razer DeathAdder Elite's 98g witch has 3389-T3QU sensor witch is close if not as good as the 3360

Sensor ≠  Performance, there are other factors as well, the Weight you mentioned also includes the cable.

As for the topic, it could be a decent option, but the "Sniper"button seems to be a big nuisance.

Just now, Fasade said:

So.... The only option IS the G900 huh. 

Or G403.

Just now, GreenZombie said:

But if 12 cheaper mouse last longer than one so expensive mouse then.....???
so do you buy a cheap or expensive "rat"

Debounce time is also a factor in that regard, if you put it to ridiculous amounts like 32ms, it is very unlikely that a mouse will ever double click, however, the click is obv. at bare minimum 32ms delayed.

Other people have already mentioned it.

Logitech designs the product, writes the Firmware, basically designed the Sensor on their own, uses ARM MCU´s from ST, using molded rubber instead of glueing rubber on costs more, so on and so forth.

The Sentey Revolution on the other Hand is a completely done OEM Product, Sentey only orders the Mouse with their Logo on it, and thats it. That design in particular has also been sold by other brands, like for example by Cyber Snipa as the Silencer, or by Ace of Sweden as the EDGE 3200, or by Revoltec as the Fightmouse Elite, so on and so forth.

Just now, HydraGaming said:

Hard pads can also help reduce jitter on laser mice.

Resolution Error is also lower, just to mention it.

Just now, AMDGrill said:

For example, if you have a mouse that is 5800DPI, always use it at 5800 DPI

Thats only true for PTE under optimal circumstances.

Just now, Stoggy26 said:

How many FPS does the Logitech mice get?

Depends, AM010 mice have ~4000, and the 3366 ones go up to ~12000.

G900 already has a lighter scroll, the tactilve feedback was also improved, but i dont think it will be used for a mainstream product as the average joe thinks that weight equals quality.

19 hours ago, mok said:

well its not their own product though. like i said they mention the OEM first and the mouse sensor second.

its just their logo on it

i was trying to focus more on the OEM and the sensor

it just so happens that its their logo on it

Eh, selling stuff under a certain brand name, makes it that Brand´s product, regardless if OEM/ODM, a Roccat Lua for example isnt a Laview Lua either, or a Mini Paceman a Steyr Magna Paceman.

Just now, mok said:

teksyndicate used to always recommend this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tek-Syndicate-Gaming-Mouse-Standard/dp/B01D8WCU7W

I cant remember who the OEM is for that mouse but its an identical mouse thats rebranded i believe, the made a video about it too

 

or anything with an optical sensor will have the best performance for competitive FPS games

Obv. Tek Syndicate is going to recommend their own product, despite it having "meh" Firmware.

And no, not anything "optical" is good, but regardless, OP should tell us Grip preferences first.