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+Comment Intel has ceremonially "shipped" its first Optane DIMM to Google, despite no Xeon CPU support. Navin Shenoy, exec veep and GM of Intel's Data Center Group, theatrically presented the kit, fresh off the production line, to Google platforms veep Bart Sano at Chipzilla's Santa Clara CA headquarters during its Data-Centric Innovation Summit on Wednesday. Do Optane's prospects look DIMM? Chip chap has questions for Intel READ MORE The carefully stage-managed event is all very well, but generally meaningless while Xeon SP (Skylake) processors don't support Optane DIMMs. Also many product details are missing, including: Latency and its effect on DRAM caching Power consumption and thermal dissipation Endurance Pricing Security and serviceability Virtualization and multi-tenancy support Unless Google has customised Xeon processors, its Optane DIMMs are going to sit on a shelf. Despite this, Intel has been bigging up the performance benefits of Optane DIMMs. Running SAP HANA workloads on early Cascade Lake Xeons with Optane DIMMs apparently reduces restart times from tens of minutes to tens of seconds. Well, great. How often do you have to restart HANA? Basically we have little performance information about Optane DIMM-boosted applications because the production-class processors aren't even out there to use it. Anandtech found an Intel HPC roadmap slide which shows processor and DIMM developments: Click to enlarge This slide shows the Apache Pass DIMM – Intel's code name for its Optane DIMM – shipping in 2019, along with the Cascade Lake Xeon processor. Cascade Lake is a 14nm process CPU, using the Xeon Skylake's Purley micro-architecture, which features AI-focused Deep Learning Boost (DLBOOST) tech intended to provide an 11x AI performance boost over Xeon Skylake. The slide also shows a Cooper Lake CPU, also using 14nm technology, with shipping starting at the end of 2019 and going through 2020, where it overlaps Ice Lake, Intel's long-delayed 10nm process CPU. A Barlow Pass DIMM is shown in 2020 in the Xeon SP table row as well. The slide's bottom row, labelled HPC focused PCSD Server products, shows a Walker Pass DIMM in 2019/2020 and a to-be-decided DIMM in 2020/2021. Walker Pass is timed with a Cascade Lake advanced processor. Anandtech speculated that Barlow Pass is a next-generation 3D XPoint DIMM. Its attributes compared to the current Apache Pass XPoint DIMM are not known Our sister publication, The Next Platform, said Walker Pass is the "second generation Optane DIMM, and it looks like it is slated for around May 2019". Going by the slide's timing, Barlow Pass would actually be a third-gen Optane DIMM. +Comment We don't see Intel making it easy for AMD processors to support Optane DIMMs. However, now that Micron has separated its XPoint development from Intel's, that could indicate a route for AMD to support XPoint DIMMs, via Micron Quantx DIMMs if (and it's a big if) Micron produces them. It is clear that general Optane DIMM use has to wait for Intel's Cascade Lake Xeons. Even if Intel ships the first Cascade Lakes by the end of this year, it will be 2019 before server OEMs ship their products, and, most likely, not all Cascade Lake CPUs will support the DIMMs, with Intel rolling out specific variants with that support. Going by the missing product details – specifically read and write latency, power draw and endurance – we can be fairly confident that (a) current values are not excellent, and (b) Intel is still tuning its Optane DIMMs to get the latencies and power draw down and the endurance levels up. The Barlow Pass, Walker Pass and mystery DIMMs may well have higher layer counts, and hence capacities, than the current Apache Pass product. As ever, Intel's Optane product development is a frustrating work in progress and the roadmap slide extends this into 2020 and beyond. ® Source:https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/10/optane_dimm_ceremonially_ships_but_lacks_any_xeon_support/

original → China Bilibili:https://www.bilibili.com/video/av77252786/ intel Optane intel Optane DataCenter Persistent Memory Module，DCPMM Is a RAM or SSD？ It maybe a SSD.Just on the DIMM socket. You can use it with just on CascadeLake CPU.(2nd Generation Intel Xeon Scalable Processor - LGA3647) intel say it can help enterprise to save lots of money. But I also think it is many expensive. （Just expensive in China，256GB 30000CNY，Maybe in other countries it is so cheap） I have one Engineering Sample（ES） and one Pass Sample（QS） DCPMM 【Blue PCB is Engineering Sample（ES） / Green PCB is Pass Sample（QS）】 A： B： Pass Sample（QS）relative to Engineering Sample（ES）is doing more modify. Flash particles，Location of parts，capacitance and powered by. In China this is them's price： Engineering Sample（ES） 1250CNY = 178USD Pass Sample（QS） 2200CNY = 315USD Formal edition 4699CNY = 671USD Most people will to chooes QS. Because,it is so cheap and same of Formal edition. （If like cpu we need look stepping to chooes，low stepping maybe also have some bug） Engineering Sample's need two same ES DCPMM can use it,one is not，ES is not have AD(AppDirect) module. Pass Sample（QS） is same of Formal edition'DCPMM just have one, you also can use it. If you are windows system, you need to use ipmctl. If you want to use MM(Memory Mode) module, you need DDR4 Ram to mix use with DCPMM. Best degree of mixing is 1/4. Like 32GB DDR4 with 128GB DCPMM. Two 256GB DCPMM use on AD and use RAID0, it will have so~fast reading speed with 101GB/s. This is DCPMM's flash particles，but I don't know what meaning about it. QS is 29P16B1DLDNF2-183417-QX7E1 ES is 29P16B1BLDNF2-171012-NFDD intel callout year on DCPMM’s PCB QS is 2017 © intel Corporation ES is 2016 © intel Corporation But DCPMM is release on 2019 ，the same time with 2nd Generation Intel Xeon Scalable Processor. Author: Yuuki-AnS https://www.bilibili.com/video/av77252786/ Source: bilibili