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UPDATE: Should say I'm not completely convinced the issue is (strictly) input lag/delay any more, based on my testing. Seems like it could potentially be described as inconsistency as well. I primarily play Destiny 2, and have noticed input/display lag, and am assuming it has been there ever since I built this PC (late 2019, my first PC). I installed CS:GO during troubleshooting and the lag exists there too, and most if not all things listed below apply to it as well. Best way to describe it is it feels like VSync (I’ve always had this lag, I think, so obviously that may not be entirely accurate, but best as I can tell, that’s how it feels), mouse feels kinda heavy, feels like other players have much better reaction times (my reaction time is around 180ms (according to Aimtastic), so not too bad, but is this with the lag??). Makes it very hard to use precision weapons on any sort of moving target. Even moving targets with predictable paths can be really hard, since I effectively have to pre-fire every shot. I know something is off because I accidentally (removing the possibility of placebo) eliminated the lag when running a fps benchmark before upgrading my CPU (GPU already upgraded at this point). What I did was immediately on PC startup jumped into a PvP match, had all fps caps off, G-Sync on, set Destiny to Real-time priority in Task Manager, and had a custom resolution on Windows (had refresh rate set to 120hz in Settings, G-Sync would override to 144hz for Destiny). The game was super smooth and snappy, it was extraordinarily easy to aim (and I’m cold at this point), and felt like my reaction time was on par with other players. This would only last for around a half/whole game, then the input lag would come back. Without G-Sync on, and most of the time without priority set to Real-time or High, I could not get the lag to go away. If I exited the game and restarted after a few minutes and followed the steps above, the lag would seem to go away (for a half/whole game). I can’t tell if the lag comes back gradually or suddenly. Things I found that seem important: Turning off GeForce Experience Instant Replay seemed to get rid of some ‘micro stutter’ (144fps felt rough, like it wasn’t actually 144fps). The only time this was on and the game felt smooth was when I was able to eliminate the lag, which seems really strange. I can’t completely confirm this, definitely could be placebo, so take this with a grain of salt. Disabling fullscreen optimizations (with the help of the custom resolution? Details in '(Most) things I have tried') and having Instant Replay off is the best I have gotten the system to be. It is still pretty bad, but definitely feels better. Possible this is just the added benefit of exclusive fullscreen. Removing the lag only seems to be possible with G-Sync active, I’ve tried multiple times without G-Sync and it didn’t seem to fix the lag. Where I am right now: Very recently, I freshly reinstalled Windows (using the Reset this PC setting in Windows) and cleaned the drive. I’ve only installed Nvidia Drivers (to get Nvidia Control Panel), Steam, Destiny 2, and Discord. Overlays are off, Xbox stuff is off, using a custom resolution and G-Sync, disabled fullscreen optimizations, second monitor (75hz one) is disconnected, the 1tb drive is disconnected, VSync off in CP and Destiny. The issue still persists and is still only ‘fixable’ by setting the game to Real-time priority. (Most) things I have tried: Upgraded the CPU and GPU Made sure VSync is off in Nvidia Control Panel and in Destiny 2 settings (and tried various combinations of on/off/use application) Disabled fullscreen optimizations (seemed to work on my RX480 (game would take over screen), but possibly not the 3060 Ti (game would act like nothing changed)) Changed the resolution (through Nvidia Control Panel) but kept Destiny’s resolution the same as the monitors, in an attempt to force fullscreen optimizations off and give Destiny control of the screen Changed my mouse’s polling rate from 1000hz to 500hz (have not tried 250hz yet) Disconnected the 75hz monitor (have not tried the 75hz monitor as main yet) Turned on/off G-Sync Disabled overlays (Xbox, Steam, GeForce Experience) Turned of Xbox recording Turned off Game Mode Turned off GeForce Experience recording (this seemed to eliminate some issues with rough frames at high rates, possibly cleaned up frame times) Uninstalled GeForce Experience Checked latencies with LatencyMon (everything looks fine, old CPU did have some high latencies) Used FrameView to try and find issues, nothing found Checked my home power, it looks fine Changed Destiny’s resolution Checked temps (nothing that has a temperature sensor goes above 78 degrees last I checked, and everything except CPU and GPU stay at or below 60 degrees) Disconnected the 1tb hard drive Reinstalled Windows 10 and wiped everything multiple times A couple things I still need to try: Keep attempting to remove the lag without G-Sync on Use the 75hz monitor instead of the 144hz Set mouse polling rate to 250hz Any ideas for things I can try/possible causes based on the symptoms? There is a chance setting the game to Real-time/High priority is just too good to maintain, and I could just be that bad, but I can't see how that makes much sense... PC specs: Old: CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 CPU Cooler: Stock GPU: MSI RX480 8gb (don't remember exact model) New: CPU: Ryzen 5 5600x CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34 eSports DUO GPU: Gigabyte 3060 Ti Gaming OC 8gb Motherboard: Aorus Ultra Gaming X470 (rev.1.0) RAM: 32gb (4 x 8gb) of Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000mhz PSU: Corsair CX Series 750W 80 Plus Bronze Modular OS drive (and game drive): Silicon Power 256gb 3D NAND A55 SSD (SP256GBSS3A55S25) Other Drive: 1tb WD Blue 7200rpm HDD Monitor 1 (main): Gigabyte G27f 1080p 27in 144hz IPS 1ms Response Time with FreeSync Premium (6-7ms input lag, based on reviewers) Monitor 2: Sceptre 1080p 22in 75hz TN (10-11ms input lag, based on reviewers) Mouse: HyperX Pulsefire Core Headset: Corsair HS60 Case: NZXT H510 with 4 fans, two in front, one on back, one on top, flow going from front to back/top UPDATE: I seem to have fixed my lag. Check my post below for details, but I disabled the HD Audio Controller in the BIOS and that seems to have fixed the issue. UPDATE 2: Disabling the HD Audio Controller did not fix the issue. It did seem like it helped the system's lag a little in general, and it did help for at least that first restart, but after that, I can't tell if it slowly degraded or just reverted back. The way I found out (since it still felt better than it did before) was I had just stopped streaming (with GeForce Experience, had reinstalled it for a tournament), and the first game (immediately after) felt super responsive, really easy to aim and hit targets. Other games after that seemed to degrade a bit, but hard to tell. Since then, I have done quite a bit of testing. I'm not going to go into big details (unless someone wants them), but I've set IRQ (Interrupt Request) priorities (GPU first, then USB controller with my keyboard and mouse. Tried System Timer first as well), I've disabled HPET, re-enabled the HD Audio controller and disabled it again, tried less sketchy keyboards, removed my PCI-e WiFi card, uninstalled Nvidia's GPU audio device, and probably a couple other things I can't remember right now. Most of these changes seem to 'fix' the system for a time (usually until the system is restarted), but then it system feel will revert back, but often seem to be slightly improved over the previous configuration. UPDATE 3: For one, there is a setting in Destiny 2's cvars file that helped, 'mouse_smoothing_mode'. This was set to 2, setting it to 0 helped improve my aim a fair bit, even with the display lag issue present. The other thing is, I figured something out. Hesitant to say this was the issue, but it is something. I was looking through some PC optimization guides (mainly this one) and saw one that mentioned 'Power management mode' in the Nvidia Control panel. Obviously, for performance, this should be set at 'Prefer maximum performance'. I was very confident I had that set correctly already, since I've had people ask if my power settings were on max, but I decided to check. Guess what. It was on 'Normal'. I went ahead and set that to 'Prefer maximum performance', and opened Destiny 2, and guess what? The game felt really snappy, it was easy to aim, all that good stuff. All was well, until I rebooted. Hopped into a game, and it didn't feel as good anymore. I got curious and changed the 'Power management mode' in Nvidia Control Panel again, to Normal, then back to 'Prefer maximum performance' (or something like that, don't quite remember). Game back to feeling snappy and good. I then found this guide (can't confirm lack of language) This guy edited program settings for dwm.exe (Desktop Windows Manager) and File Explorer, both major services in Windows. This could be why the power settings didn't continue to improve performance after a reboot. Another thing to note, after making all these changes, I was tabbed out of the game (I'm playing in Exclusive Fullscreen) for a bit (couple minutes or something), and the game felt slow again. Something seemed to have overridden the power management setting. Gonna have to mess with this some more, maybe see if other programs have overridden power management settings in Control Panel, but it is a step in the right direction. Definitely way easier and more effective to improve the systems performance, better then the temporary effect of setting the game to Realtime priority in Task Manager. UPDATE 4: Again, hesitant to say this is the solution, but I have had huge success replicating a 'normal' system by doing this, much more so than the other 'solutions' above. So the power management option was not working consistently. It would usually work, but seemed to fall off after like 10 minutes, which was weird, so I went searching for more solutions. I found another PC optimization guide on YouTube (again, can't confirm lack of language) I was going through it, desperately hoping to come across something that might help and doing a couple of the steps he suggested that I hadn't done yet, when I got to 13:10 (The chapter 'how to reduce stuttering in destiny 2') in the video. Here he mentioned that in Bungie's official post about technical issues regarding the Beyond Light expansion, Bungie said one of the reasons Destiny 2 was running so poorly was because of different audio formats. The recommended to change the audio format to CD quality (16bit, 44100Hz). Remember, a while ago I disabled the HD Audio Controller on my motherboard and that seemed to help. I did what he suggested, and boom, game was feeling good, smooth, and snappy, but this only lasted for 10-20 minutes (again...). So I eventually started researching audio issues on any other games, and found a Blur Busters forum post saying audio was causing stutter, and just muting audio in Windows fixed the problem. So I tried that, but it didn't work for Destiny 2. I wasn't expecting it to, based on the audio format change suggesting above, it seemed like Destiny takes more control of the audio device. So I went with my plan B, uninstalled all the audio devices from Device Manager (under 'Audio inputs and outputs' and 'Sound, video, and game controllers' (or similar, the names seem to be slightly different between devices I have)). This worked. And it works over a long period of time, too. One thing to note, you most likely will have to uninstall at least Nvidia's sound devices from Task Manager after a restart, mine would come back, probably because it would get reinitialized and it was the only audio device still active (I unplugged my headset and have the HD Audio Controller disabled in BIOS). I'm also a bit concerned that this repeated uninstalling is what is helping the game to work better (seeing as other changes seem to have the possibility of making the game feel good while they are still enabled), but don't think that is the case, based on what I'm seeing. Now, I haven't attempted to add my headset back yet, so I have been playing without audio. I need to see if just adding the headset back will work, or if I need to try using Corsair drivers/software (I have a Corsair HS60), but this seems to be a big step in the right direction. UPDATE 5: This is a very brief summary. If you want/need more info and I haven't updated this yet, let me know. So having the headset disconnected/uninstalled usually did the same thing as before, 'fix' the lag for a short time, then it would reappear. But I realized almost all (if not all) of the fixes affected PCI Express. I also realized the 'rough FPS' might actually be due to my mouse (or rather, the USB controller) not getting info to the CPU fast enough. After trying to manipulate the three USB controllers on my motherboard, I bought a USB PCIe card, and that (so far, haven't tested it for very long) seems to be helping a lot. 100% is smoother, and we'll see what happens.

Hello everyone, I'm a little suprised that I have not been able to find the answer for this anywhere, since in my mind it is one of the only viable solutions to split screen couch gaming nowadays. I am talking about the LG TVs with multiview (WebOS 3.0+) it seems like a no brainer to hook up two PCs and be able to play all multiplayer games in “split screen” from the couch. My qustion is, is the reason that I can't find anyone doing this online that the Multiview “processing” results in high display lag, making gaming unviable (I know that there is relatively high lag on LG OLED TVs but i’m not going to play CSGO). Does LG multiview introduce very high display lag?? Can anyone tell me? Can anyone test this? Thanks in advance QJonas