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Hey guys, So I'm having some upgrade thoughts. I'm considering eventually upgrading my Ryzen 5600x to a 5800x3d, but I'm not sure if the gains are enough and worth or I just should spend my hard earned cash somewhere else. I usually either game at 1440p-164hz or 4k60 and in some cases in VR, but I do tend to play some CPU heavy games... It's definitely not an urgent upgrade as everything I've been playing are way up to playbable levels, but I do feel that some kinks like the occasional hiccups in Hogwarts Legacy, Cyberpunk or MS Flight Simulator could be ironed out with such upgrade. But maybe next year or such I could thinking about it. Definitely not a new system as changing the board and memory would be a huge pain and not worth it in the next years in my opinion... What is your opinion? Is it a worthy upgrade or I should just spend it on a trip somewhere to get my lazy ass of the computer screen haha. Additionally would the cpu cooling system I currently have (Artic Cooling Freezer 34 e-sports DUO) be enough to tame the 5800x3d? My auto-OC 5600x is well tamed for now)... My current system is: CPU: Ryzen 5600x w/ auto OC | Cooling: Artic Cooling Freezer 34 e-sports DUO RAM: 32 Gb 3600 mhz CL16 GPU: RTX 4070 ti MOBO: MSI B550M Mortar PSU: Corsair RM 750 Gold Storage: 2.2 Tb (two 500gb Nvme; one 256 sata ssd; one 1 td sata ssd) Monitor: Primary - 1440p 164 hz | Secondary/tv - 4k60 LG OLED VR: Oculus Quest 2 I usually either play single player games, mainly either action-adventure or RPG (like Hogwarts Legacy, Cyberpunk 2077, Sea of Thieves, which I usually try to play on the OLED TV); simulators in VR (Flight Simulator, Eurotruck Simulator 2), racing games in VR (F1 22, Project Cars 2), builders and strategy games (Cities Skylines, Planet Zoo, Anno 1800), co-op survival games with base building (sons of the forest, Valheim, Green Hell) and finally some VR-only titles like HL: Alyx or Beat Saber. Cheers y'all and thanks for the help

So for example I could actually just get the 16 gb 3200mhz CL16 and in case it fails get another one (The 32gb kit is roughly double price of the 16gb, wouldn't lose much). Is it easy to manually plug the timings? Is it like just to put 16-18-18-36-80 and 3200mhz, pray and let it run? I dunno where to check that. For what I saw it has 2 XMP profiles. XMP Profile 1: 3000mhz CL 15| XMP Profile 2: 3466 mhz CL16. No reference of 3200 mhz CL16, so I'm kinda scared it might not work... I have to check the sellers return policies or just go for the 32gb... Thanks for all the input, Cheers

Hello all, I currently have 2x 8GB DDR 4 Kingston HyperX Fury running at 3466 mhz with timings 16-18-18-36-80. (Both XMP profiles at 3466 mhz CL 16). Everything was fine and I was happy until.... Hogwarts Legacy came out... Now I have over 97% RAM usage and it stutters like King George VI... So I was considering upgrading my RAM, the issue is that I cannot find that same kit available (or at a reasonable price) anywhere, and apparently Kingston sold HyperX in the meanwhile... The closest I found was a 2x8GB kit of Kingston Fury Renegade piece which runs at 3200mhz CL 16-18-18 or CL 15-17-17 (according to its spec sheet). My question is: If I buy this Kingston Fury 2x8Gb 3200mhz CL16-18-18 would I be able to pair it with my Kingston HyperX (whose XMP profiles are 3466 mhz CL 16-18-18) and run both at a profile for 3200 mhz CL16 (or if i'm lucky 3200 CL 15)?? Additional Info: CPU: Ryzen 5600x - Auto OC to 4.75 ghz Board: MSI MAG B550M Mortar GPU: RTX 4070 Ti PSU: Corsair 750M Thank you for your attention, Cheers

Actually in Amazon Spain it says it will have stock by december 22 (link), and the 256gb version is available. But yea... as a Portuguese I do not trust the Spanish that much (just joking my Spanish brothers 'n' sisters) so I'm not really sure if that is real or legit....

Hahahahah, you caught me , I know none are really around 500€ (well... maybe besides the Oculus that's 345€ in Spanish amazon, plus the Link for 99€ and HL for 50€) keeps it under. But when I said +/-500€ I'm saying more or less around, I could go for 600€ if I would really really want it... Cheers

Thanks for the input friend. Actually I expressed myself a bit bad in the title, as I'm not only considering just the holiday season, I'm considering this acquisition for the next month or two in reality. But yeah I'm sure it will be quite hard to find it in the next months true that...

Hello folks, I come here with a tech dillema, I'm fortunate enough to have some spare money available that allows me to make a 500-600€ (give or take) buy in the next month or so. Therefore I'm thinking about continue my geeky quest and get a new piece of tech soon. And as of now I'm considering three options (assuming that I'll buy in the next month or two, stock issues should be oka, I hope...): Getting a Oculus Quest 2 64 GB version + a link cable (does it has to be the official one?) + a game or two (probably Half Life Alyx) PS5 (Digital or Standard not sure tho) + a game or 2 (probably Spider-man Miles Morales) RTX 3070 (to get that RTX goodness and solid 60 fps at Ultra 1440p) Currently I have a quite decent mid-range PC - Ryzen 5600x, 16GB 3466mhz, 1 TB NVME, Radeon 5700 XT, using a Dell S32DFG 32'' 1440p monitor I think my RX 5700XT can still hold for a while so I guess I can hold it longer, but maybe I could get a beefier GPU and try to sell this one or put it in my secondary computer in my hometown home. I think the Oculus Quest would give me an awesome experience and I'll play it for sometime, but I'm just afraid that I get tired of it quick and it ends in shelve just collecting dust. My reasoning for PS5 is that I would like to play those exclusives (especially the Horizon Wild West, God of War and Spiderman), but currentlty there aren't many available (just Spider-Man), and I'm not sure if it's worth it to 'beta-test' the console just for one game... I'm leaning for the Oculus as of now, but I'm really not sure.... If you were in my place what would you get? Mind you, that I hope that through the next year I'll eventually be able to get all three but not sure, life is a surprise... Cheers Happy Holidays for you all

Cheers guys, I was one of the guys lucky enough to order an Ryzen 5600X on launch. And I had the objective of turning my current PC (Ryzen 5 2600) into two seperate PCs using the best parts of my current PC and some spares I have. So I just ordered my Ryzen 5 5600x processor together with a MSI B550M Mortar motherboard. So my question is, will the Ryzen 5600x work from the beginning? Or should I put first my older Ryzen 2600 and update the BIOS? Because I don't want to dissassemble my old PC too much. I also heard about a "CPUless" Bios update, how does it work? Is it safe? Best Regards

I'm quite afraid of OCing (even if I would by a new cooler) because my room temperature is quite high, but I can maybe I can try before buying a new CPU just buying a new cooler and try to OC the processor. I understand what you mean... Paying around 200-300€ for a 15% boost that might not even reflect in games and might not be worth it... But it's just so frustating that a guy has a shiny new hardware and stuff does not work because of poor optimization in the games that are the ones I want to play....... This is the histrogram from my ryzen master during the time I was doing the AC benchmark ingame. Temperatures peaked 64º (room temperature 26º), core speed was between 3650 and 3700 across all cores. GPU is not heating much because its running at 50-70% due to the "bottleneck".

Thank you for the informative benchmark info, in that case maybe wouldn't the 3600xT offer a reasonable boost for those single threaded games? Cause the R5 2600 has a base clock of 3.4ghz and 3.9 boost (on 2 cores), the R5 3600 XT (again if rumours are true) would have a base clock of 4.0 ghz (so 600 mhz increase) and a 4.7 boost (probably on 2 cores as well and a 800 mhz increase from the R5 2600), so the single threaded perfomance would also offer a signifcant boost. As for AC: Odyssey, I'm not entirely sure... I read this comment on a Ubisoft forum which seems the one that makes more sense: In this case I still think that the "brute force" of adding 600mhz to the base clock and 800mhz to the boost clock would help, but yeah I'm not sure at all... It could also be the poor AMD drivers... But since the GPU ingame is like always at 60-70% I think it's the CPU... I have 2x8Gb in dual channel, upgraded recently from a 2x8gb G.Skill Aegis 2933mhz (the FPS in AC Odyssey actually went up by 6 fps, but the stutter still continues...)

It might be true, some benchmarks are already being leaked - https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-9-3900XT-and-Ryzen-5-3600XT-benchmarks-leak-Comet-Lake-S-Core-i9-10900K-and-Core-i7-10700K-take-a-single-core-beating-despite-500-MHz-higher-clockspeed.466823.0.html But as always we have to take this with a (big) grain of salt....

My question about waiting for the 4000 series is just that I have a B450 board, and from what I heard the beta bios will arrive way after the CPU release, and I'm not sure how much compatible and problems free that beta bios will be, so for the 4000 series I would feel that a board updgrade would also be required for a "safer" upgrade, therefore I would probably have to dish out more cash :/... Moreover, while the R5 2600 is more than adequate for most games (including the very demanding RDR2), some games like Assassins Creed Odyssey, Cities Skylines or Anno 1800 (which I play quite a lot) are CPU intensive, and it's starting to stutter like crazy (AC is almost an unplayable stutter mess in bigger cities, even if i lower settings, and in Cities Skylines and Anno as soon as i reach bigger cities sizes stutters and low fps begin also :/....). I'd reckon that the R5 2600 is very good, I love it most of the time, however due to poor optimization in some games (and also AMD drivers), I feel that the only solution for smooth gaming in those cases is literally "brute force" (as in more clock speed)... In the last months I replaced the GPU (RX590 to the RX 5700XT), the power supply (NOX 600W to a Corsair TX750M), the SSD to an NVME and even the ram (from 16 gb 2933mhz cl16 to 16 gb 3466mhz cl16) and the heavy stutter in those games still continues... so it is either the board (which I do not believe) or the CPU that's also why the "urgency" in upgrading, because I've been trying for the last couple of months solving this stuttering mess, and I admit I'm getting quite frustated... But now I'm like stuck in this decision of the 'moar-clocks' vs 'moar-cores' for the issues that we are now discussing here, and don't really know what to do... In reality I just want smooth gaming in Ultra 1080p in every game for at least 2 years if possible....

Hey guys, So, actually this latest news and rumours on team red is making my life choices real hard... I'm intending to upgrade my Ryzen 5 2600 in June-July to something more "spicy" (for gaming porpuses mainly, some games like Anno 1800, Cities Skylines, AC: Odyssey are having serious CPU bottlenecks to my RX5700 XT...) and I was thinking about Ryzen 7 3700x in my B450 machine. Now if the rumours are to be believed the Ryzen 5 3600xt will boast a higher base clock (4.0ghz) and boost-clock (4.7ghz) than the 3700x (with a lower core/thread count than the 3700 obviously). For gaming purposes and considering future proofing since next gen consoles will have 8 cores processors, and as we know consoles unfortunatly influences PC games development which would be the wiser choice? What would be the best option for me for gaming while guaranteeing some future proofness? (Pricewise, I'd reckon that the 3700x price will probably drop and the 3600xt will then be "similar", but my budget is in this range i.e. 3800x or 3800XT will probably be overbudget). - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 XT (6c|12T) - 4.0ghz base clock - 4.7ghz boost clock (rumoured values, not confirmed as far as I know) or - AMD Ryzen 7 3700 X (8c|16T) - 3.6 ghz base clock - 4.4ghz boost clock I should add that I do not intend to overclock the CPUs, I live in a very warm country during the summer and I cannot install Air conditioning, so during the day and even in nights my room temperature can reach over 25-35 degrees during summer/spring/autumm.... Maybe in the winter I can think about some OCs, or if I change to a house that allows AC installation, but that's just hypothesis not my current real-world scenario... Apparently AMD chose not to refresh the 3700x which is weird, I dunno if that means that eventually the 3750x will surface or not, but I would like to make the upgrade in the coming months as some games are currently almost unplayable due to CPU bottleneck (including those I wish really to play smoothly)... Current Specs: Ryzen 5 2600 stock MSI Gaming Plus B450M (with AMD ComboPI1.0.0.4 Patch B SMU v46.54) 16Gb DDR4 3466mhz Kingston HyperX CL16 MSI Radeon RX5700 XT Mech OC Kingston A2600 Nvme (500gb for system + preffered games) + 1 TB HDD + 250gb Sata SSD Corsair TX750M 1080p 24'' Samsung 144hz Quantum Dot Display Nevertheless, I'll probably wait until July so probably a more clear picture of the market will be visble helping me forming a better choice. I think a Ryzen 4000 would pushint too much my luck as I do not think that a compatible BIOS will arrive anytime soon... Best Regards and Cheers folks

Cheers guys, I've been playing around with my rig and trying to take the most juice out of it. My current setup is the following: - Ryzen 5 2600 - standard clock, stock cooler - MSI B450M GamingPlus (AGESA Code 1.0.0.6, max ram speed supported 3466mhz) - 2*8gb G.Skill Aegis DDR4 3000mhz (XMP 2 - 2933 mhz) - CL16-18-18-38 - Kingston A2000 500gb nvme (for system and "favorite games") - WD Green SSD 240gb (offered by a friend and using for "select games") - Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm 1TB - MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT Mech OC 8g - Corsair TX 750M What's currently happening is during gaming, the games are achieving high FPS but with loads of stuttering and awful frametimes, currently I suspect the culprits to be the CPU (AC Odyssey is known to be a CPU hog) and RAM, and so I'm planning in the near future upgrading this two [according to my MOBO limits, no ZEN - 2 for me :(]. But before updating the CPU, I was thinking getting faster and more reliable RAM, when I bought the previous sticks, I was reckless and didn't understand the complexities of buying RAM for Ryzen (didn't even know it doesn't support 3000mhz and it has to be either 2933 or 3200) my bad I admit it, so I bought randomly the one that "seemed" to be okay at a good price. So currently I'm undecided between this three similarly priced models (I don't favour any brands, curiously all options are from G. Skill but this is due to promotions): 1 - G.SKILL Ripjaws V 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200MHz CL15 (15-15-15-35-2N) or 2- G.SKILL Trident Z 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3466MHz CL16 (16-18-18-38-2N) or 3- G.SKILL Trident Z RGB (For AMD) 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3466MHz CL18 (18-22-22-42) ( FYI I am an noob, and I do not intend to do overclock (unless its extremely easy and stable) above the "pre-cooked" in A-XMP, as don't undertstand RAM timings at all (just know that lower CL means lower latency), I live in a quite warm room during the summer (above 30º) and I don't have much time to learn and tinker them as I try to use my free time off work for gaming. FYI 2 the CPU I'll upgrade to will probably be Ryzen 7 3700x. So my question is: Which Memory Kit will have the chances of giving me improved perfomance (as in good frametimes, less stutter, FPS are already good) out of the Box? Should I favour lower latency or higher ram speed? RAMs that say "Optimized For AMD" (like option 3) this is true or just a marketing gimmick? Does the RAM really need to be on the motherboard list? Update: I found out that none of those options are in the list... Should I choose one in the QVL list? Thank you for your attention Cheers

Thank Guys! I think I'm going to try to control and hold my "urges" , better safe than sorry. Luckly during the day I'm doing at-home-work so its easier, during the night, well I'll just look to the box and inspect the GPU haha! I'll leave the thread open just to post updates and listen to more advices that might show up! Wish me luck! Cheers PS: I see there's an awesome friendly community over here