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Check out these charts from Techpowerup's 7800X3D review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/18.html As you can see, when heavily CPU-limited with a 4090 at 720p resolution, the 5800X3D is 45% faster on average than the 3700X and 3900X, corresponding to an average increase of 65 fps. However, in some games the jump is even more significant, such as Battlefield V where the 5800X3D offers nearly double the performance of the 3900X. Now, I understand that this chart doesn't include the 3800X, but you can see in the following review, all of the Ryzen 3000 series CPUs from the 3600 on up perform without about 5% of each other in gaming so the 3800X will perform about the same as a 3700X or 3900X: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-3800xt/14.html Now at more reasonable GPU + resolution combinations (such as a 4070 ti Super at 1440p), you won't see quite as much of a leap in performance because you'll be GPU-limited much more of the time. But in terms of the 1% lows and dips during CPU-intensive sequences, it should be a big improvement.

If you want to get the cheapest reasonable upgrade, just get a 5700X3D or 5800X3D and put it in your current system without changing anything else. You probably don't need to buy a new CPU cooler either - the U12S is still pretty decent. The 5700X3D/5800X3D might run slightly hotter but as long as it's not hitting the throttle point it really doesn't matter. Like others have noted, you can't compare clockspeeds across architectures. Because of the massive increase to cache capacity on top of the IPC improvements, a 5700X3D/5800X3D will be an enormous upgrade for gaming vs. the 3800X in situations where you're totally CPU-limited. The 3D v-cache won't help as much in most non-gaming workloads, but you'll still get a meaningful performance boost vs. the 3800X in those applications too due to the IPC improvement. If you want to get a bigger upgrade, go all out and get AM5. A "medium" upgrade, such as getting a new AM4 CPU + new cooler, doesn't make sense. Either go all out or do the minimal AM4 drop-in upgrade, those are the two reasonable options.

Thanks for both of these responses. Unfortunately I tried both of them and neither worked, so I'm still baffled by this.

Hi, I'm trying to figure out why I can't get the MSI Afterburner overlay to display. I'm running Windows 10 on an R5 5600/2070 Super system. I have MSI Afterburner and RTSS installed and I have gone in to the Afterburner settings and set the key combo that I want to use to open the overlay (currently trying to use [] but I've tried other combos in the past) but nothing happens when I'm running a game and press the key combo. Why is this? Is there another setting I need to be enabling in Afterburner to get it to show up? The Nvidia overlay appears when I use Alt+R and gives all the relevant info so I know that the sensors on the GPU and motherboard are working correctly, it's something wrong with Afterburner specifically. This is a fresh Windows install, but I've actually had this problem for about 2 years across multiple hardware configs and Windows installations, which makes me think it's a "me" problem but I can't for the life of me figure out what I need to do differently. TIA EDIT: Also, I should say this - I know that RTSS is successfully hooking in to the game because I can apply an RTSS frame cap to the .exe and it works. So it's not that.

Thanks for both of your replies! One thing I should say, that I feel like is significant, is that I don't really care about battery life as long as it'll last 30-45 minutes, as that's most likely the longest I'll ever be able to play at a time and then I'll just put it back on the charger. But what I really want is a device that is guaranteed to launch and run all of my games out-of-the-box. I know that from a performance standpoint, either one of these devices is going to be able to do it, but it seems like the Ally is just going to have fewer compatibility issues, and I think that, to me, is the single most important thing.

I've heard of Heroic Launcher - how does that work? Do you just install that and also the other launcher and then sync them up somehow? I have been daily driving Ubuntu and Mint on my laptop for several years, so I'm fairly comfortable with Linux in general (I haven't used any Arch-based distros though). Most of the games I'm actually more concerned about are more popular games that I just happen to own on other launchers (i.e., AC Valhalla on Ubisoft Connect, Control and Borderlands 3 on Epic, etc.) I don't play multiplayer games so I'm not worried about games where the anticheat breaks it. Have you tried running any games on Windows on the deck? I was under the impression that using Windows on the deck was not a great idea due to a lack of official Windows drivers for the SOC.

I'm interested in buying a handheld gaming PC because, due to some life changes, I'm not going to have much opportunity moving forward to play games on my desktop PC or consoles. So I'm considering the Steam Deck and the Ally, but both of them seem to have pretty major downsides and I was wanting to get the opinions of people who've used one or both to see which one I'd like to buy. Steam Deck pros and cons: +cheaper +excellent gyro aim support and support for various input types through Steam Input +better customer support (or so I've heard) +easy to suspend and resume games -I own a lot of games on launchers that aren't Steam and I don't know how easy it's going to be to get those running on Deck consistently (for example, I really want to play Mass Effect: Legendary Edition, but I have the Origin version - will this work?) -Even some Steam games won't consistently work due to the Deck running Linux and Proton not being perfect Ally pros and cons: +better performance (at least with higher wattages, which is fine, I'm not going to be playing this for 2+ hours at a time) +Higher-res screen with higher refresh rate and VRR +Shouldn't have any game compatibility issues because it runs Windows -no trackpads, unsure about gyro support -more expensive -no suspend and resume, apparently -Is less free because it runs Windows -Asus customer support is a meme So I guess my questions for folks are this: Steam Deck users (especially those with large game libraries with hundreds of titles) - what percentage of your game library is actually playable without major issues? Are you able to get non-Steam games to consistently work on the Deck or is it usually a non-go? Ally users - Is gyro support on the Ally a thing yet? Also, have you had any issues with needing to RMA the unit? How did that go? Any driver/software issues that haven't been reported in the media? Thanks for your feedback!

I think my cable management is bad and then I watch these videos and I realize that - yeah, it actually is bad, but there are some people who are way worse.

78C is completely fine. You can probably adjust the fan curve so that the fan stays off until it hits 60C so that idle stays mostly silent, and maybe even slightly adjust the max fan speed down slightly as you actually have a little bit of headroom. You could get away with having the GPU running at 80C and slightly lower fan speed.

I would not buy a 900 series card, they are nearly 9 years old now and likely to lose official driver support from Nvidia in the relatively near future. (You also of course need to consider that an older card most likely has more wear and tear than a newer card.) The 1070 or 1070 ti is a decent option. Another option to consider is the 1660 Super, which can be found for around $100 if you are patient. It has less VRAM than the 1070, but should receive driver support and optimizations for longer. Stretching the budget slightly could get you an RX 5700 as well.

100% GPU usage isn't a problem. Also, I've noticed that many CPU usage monitoring programs do not actually correctly report CPU usage. The noise is a separate issue IMO

No, the reddit format sucks ass because of the upvote/downvote system. Upvotes/downvotes really hurt discussion because they allow a slight majority to make it seem like they are an overwhelming majority by manipulating the votes to send any dissenting views to the bottom. That's why nearly every sub on reddit ends up becoming an echo chamber for one particular point of view.

If there's no form of syncing in place (V-sync or VRR), then there will be tearing, it's literally impossible for that to not be the case. Running higher refresh rates and higher frame rates will make the tearing less apparent (since the two frames on either side of the tear will be more similar), so it might be minimized to the point that some people don't notice. Personally I'm super sensitive to it, so I still see it even at 300+ fps at 144Hz.

No idea, sorry. My presumption is that if it's only a problem in this game in particular, then it's a problem with the game itself.

Yeah it amazes me how laggy Nvidia control panel is