NikoBellic1243

2 minutes ago, Kon-Tiki said:

I'm not an undervolting expert, so I can only guess what's going on. What I believe to be possible is that the voltage to the CPU becomes unstable under a certain threshold voltage when not under load, possibly due to limitations on the technical side of things (the way the voltage regulation works internally). So you might want to set the voltage to stock and then slowly reduce it until the system gets unstable on idle, finally reverting to the last stable setting.

I did undervolt my system the way you are describing. I would lower the voltage, run a ten minute stress test and start the process again. What I am really curious about is why did the system pass a ten minute stress test at .180V but crashed at the same power offset after an hour or so of usage. I believe that the reason why system crashes at .150V when left idle for extended amounts of time is because some kind of power management kicks in and essentially cuts off all the power leading to a crash. 

So I recently bought the 2019 G7 model with RTX 2060. Despite putting in more powerful hardware than the 2018 model, those geniuses at Dell made the chassis smaller; so the heat output is massive. So, I decided to undervolted my CPU to reduce temps, which worked wonders.

I used the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility to perform the undervolting. I reduced the power to .180V and ran a stress test for about 10 minutes and nothing happened. But here's the weird part, my system would automatically crash as I am using it after about an hour or so of using it. So, this time I reduced the power to .150V and ran a stress test for around 4 hours and nothing happened. I can use my system for hours and nothing would go wrong, but as soon as I leave my system ideal and come back, I would find that the system has already crashed, restarted and the utility program has changed my setting to default telling me that the system crashed.

Can you guys help me figure out what the heck is going on?

On 1/5/2020 at 5:49 PM, Tacos4all said:

Laptops are always going to have a problem with cooling, that's a given. But modern Intel CPU's, and that one in particular have a max operating temp of 100C. It seems high since only up until 4 years ago, Intel were the "cooler' chips while AMD was known for their space heaters. So long as you're not hitting the max 100C, it is perfectly safe to operate at those temps. Some tips though that may help with cooling is to angle the bottom half of the laptop, meaning the end that connects to the screen is elevated above the end where your trackpad is. This helps heat move in its natural direction, upwards. Also ensure the vents have room to breathe. Laptops nowadays are going for a slim design which also means the feet of the laptio provide very little room. So for light use while traveling, it works great, but for hardcore gaming, you're going to want to figure out a way to allow the vents to breathe.

 

As far as performance in GTAV, that is quite a demanding game and I have noticed stuttering in my rig as well which you can see in my signature, it's no slouch but HDD's do seem to give me issue with this game, so if you can squeeze it into your SSD, I'd recommend that. Otherwise, some laptops allow you to easily swap out the drives, and I would highly recommend tossing in a 1TB SSD as they're the same size (2.5"), you can usually find them on sale various times throughout the year.

 

One other thing in regards to cooling, you can try going into the BIOS to see if you can adjust the fan profiles to something more aggressive so it doesn't let the CPU heat up so much before turning on the fans.

I apologize for the late reply, but thanks a lot for taking the time to give a long and concise answer. It's people like you who makes this community so great. Cheers!

So, yesterday, I bought the Dell G7 laptop with RTX 2060 6 GB DDRM and Intel I7-9750H. I set up the laptop, deleted Mcafee and installed HWmoniter and all of a sudden my fans went wild. They went silent in about a minute but would start up again randomly. I looked at my temps and the max value for my CPU was 91 C. FREAKING 91.

So I thought maybe I should run a demanding game to see how the machine performs. I installed and opened GTA V. The first weird thing I noticed was that the movement of my curser wasn't smooth. I went to the settings and the game had set its settings to the lowest possible so I thought that maybe it hadn't recognized my GPU so I restarted the game and everything looked fine in the settings. I changed some settings and ran about 3 benchmarks, minimized the game, checked my CPU temps and the highs were in FREAKING 90s. I mean, what the heck? Surprisingly, even with such high temps, the benchmarks showed consistent 60 FPS with occasional dips to mid-50s.

I shut down the game and downloaded Cinebench. I ran five stress tests in a row and the temps start out with low 90's but soon drop to low 80's. My average score was 2725 pts.

So, what do you guys think? I only have around 14 days to return it so I'd like to find out if there are any issues as soon as possible. I really love this machine and saved for a long time to be able to afford it. I wouldn't want all that to go to waste.

So, yesterday, I bought the Dell G7 laptop with RTX 2060 6 GB DDRM and Intel I7-9750H. I set up the laptop, deleted Mcafee and installed HWmoniter and all of a sudden my fans went wild. They went silent in about a minute but would start up again randomly. I looked at my temps and the max value for my CPU was 91 C. FREAKING 91.

So I thought maybe I should run a demanding game to see how the machine performs. I installed and opened GTA V. The first weird thing I noticed was that the movement of my curser wasn't smooth. I went to the settings and the game had set its settings to the lowest possible so I thought that maybe it hadn't recognized my GPU so I restarted the game and everything looked fine in the settings. I changed some settings and ran about 3 benchmarks, minimized the game, checked my CPU temps and the highs were in FREAKING 90s. I mean, what the heck? Surprisingly, even with such high temps, the benchmarks showed consistent 60 FPS with occasional dips to mid-50s.

I shut down the game and downloaded Cinebench. I ran five stress tests in a row and the temps start out with low 90's but soon drop to low 80's. My average score was 2725 pts.

So, what do you guys think? I only have around 14 days to return it so I'd like to find out if there are any issues as soon as possible. I really love this machine and saved for a long time to be able to afford it. I wouldn't want all that to go to waste.

Just now, schwellmo92 said:

A very long time, my laptop is still running after 3 years and it gets up to 90c. Laptops run very hot that's just how it is, unless you get a very high-end gaming one.

Alright. Hopefully. I'll make it as solved. 

4 minutes ago, schwellmo92 said:

Laptops are made to run that hot it's fine.

Thanks for the reply.

As for you comment, that's what everyone keeps telling me.

I curious  as to how long will my laptop run if It hovers around those temps for 3 to 4 hours per day?

5 minutes ago, BobVonBob said:

A more sustainable solution might be buying a cooling pad rather than just slapping some ice on the bottom of the laptop. If it has a plastic bottom that probably won't even help very much.

 

Out of curiosity, what are you doing while programming that makes it "heavy"? Are you running 65 different text editors at once or something?

Thanks for the reply. 

I thought about investing in one, but after reading a bunch of reviews It seems that the temp drops are only around 2 to 5 degrees. As for your question, I usually keep multiple chrome tabs opened up while programming because I get stuck A LOT.

Just now, fasauceome said:

temps around 80 are within safe boundaries

Thanks for reply.

But, I was more concerned with running my laptop on these temps for long periods of time. 

Hey guys,

I am having a lot of trouble with managing heat in my HP pavilion laptop. I mean, the thermals only go up while I am gaming and programming, but they do up and they go up fast, forcing me to stop whatever I am doing in the moment. I was thinking of using a gel ice pack and covering it up in a poly bag and placing it under my laptop. I know that it sounds like a dumb idea, but I would really appreciate some advice before I do some real damage to my laptop.

Specs:

Intel i7 8th gen 6 cores

Nvidia GeForce Mx 150 4Gb

12 Gb ram

Note: My hard drive stays relatively cool, and my CPU only goes above 80 when I am doing some heavy programming. The biggest problem is with the GPU, even when it's not running at 90% or above, the temps hover around 80.

So, any advice would be appreciated. 

39 minutes ago, NikoBellic1243 said:

57 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Press Alt+Z and see if it brings up an Nvidia overlay in game. You should also change the mode from Enhance to Override.

Yeah, the Nvidia overlay is not opening. However, it's much better now. The jagged lines a hardly noticeable now. I think, it was the antialising-mode setting. 

 Thanks a lot man. Appreciate it. 

F*CK it! it's still the same. I ran the benchmark tool and for some reason the game can't detect the video card. 

8 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Press Alt+Z and see if it brings up an Nvidia overlay in game. You should also change the mode from Enhance to Override.

Yeah, the Nvidia overlay is not opening. However, it's much better now. The jagged lines a hardly noticeable now. I think, it was the antialising-mode setting. 

Thanks a lot man. Appreciate it. 

32 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Can you take a screenshot of the bad effects for us? Alt+F1 should do it.

Everytime, I take the screenshot of the game it comes as blank, unlike any other application on the computer. Anyway, here are some other screenshots of my settings. 

15 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Did you just totally ignore my post with linked instructions?

No, I read it. But apparently NVIDIA Multiframe Anti aliasing is only requires GTX 900 series or above. Because, I made an exception for GTA IV application in the control panel of Nvidia. The application now has FXAA on, Antialiasing-setting is at 8x, Antialiasing-transparency is at 8x, and MFAA is on too. Yet, the problem persists.

So, any ideas?  

27 minutes ago, Brent744 said:

Your hardware is plenty powerful for GTA IV. I actually have the GT 1030 (GDDR5 version) in another project build and if it can run PUBG at 50 frames, im so sure it would be able to run GTA IV and V. My laptop has a GTX 860m with GTA IV installed and it runs on high. Have you tried playing at different resolutions? have you tried enabling Vsync? If you have a game running at 100 frames, but a monitor/screen that is locked in at 60 hertz, you can experience various stuttering or other rendering problems. Enabling vsync has corrected so many problems with older games on my laptop.

Hey, thanks for the idea but I've tried that. Do you know, or anybody for that matter, how I can force anti aliasing? Probably, change some settings in Nvidia control panel or something? anything? 

@JoostinOnline

Thanks, I'll start using "at." And you are right, Nvidia GeFOrce MX150 is quite powerful. 

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@Badger906

hahaha, okay, I'll keep that in mind. 

Anyway, are you sure?  NVIDIA GeForce MX150 with 2GB of GDDR5 VRAM is about 25% more powerful than GeForce 940MX; and, mine has a VRAM of 4 GB. It is essentially the mobile version of NVIDIA's GT 1030 desktop GPU. I know that it's not intended as a high-end gaming chip, nonetheless it is still powerful enough to run GTA IV. Heck, I could play GTA V on medium setting on this laptop. So, I don't know. 

Cereal5,

You are right about Nvidia being a mobile version of the GT 1030 (not to be picky, but it's a bit better than GT 1030). But, I've played GTA V on medium setting on this laptop, so I think the laptop is capable of running the game at high settings. 

Princess Cadence,

Yeah, it is really annoying. I heard that a lot of people had trouble with graphics. That's why they had to add the commandline.txt.

Cereal5,

Thanks for the reply, I tired doing that but I don't see any difference. I mean, the resolution has gone down and the game looks a bit more choppy but the jagged lines and the flickering is still there. Heck, I think it's a bit more prominent now. 

Thanks, any other ideas? 

Hey Linus,

I recently bought a  new laptop, nothing too fancy just an average laptop to play my favorite video game when I'm away from my PC, and installed GTA IV on it; but, I am having a lot of trouble with it.

Firstly, I had to create a commandline.txt document in the directory of the game a type in, "-nomemrestrict -norestrictions -availablevidmem 10.0"

Secondly, I had to change the compatibility settings to disable fullscreen optimization. 

Thirdly, I had to create a shortcut of the launch applications and add the following text in the target box, " -nomemrestrict -norestrictions"

It was after doing all of this that I was able to change the graphic setting and run the game at the highest settings possible. The game works smoothly despite of it telling me the I'm using 1152/512 MB and that my graphic settings a near or exceeded. The problem is that the game has a lot if Jagged Lines, flickering. Even the game objects only load when I get really close to them. I don't know what to do. Could you, or anyone,  please help me; I don't want to remember one of my favorite games with frustrations and annoyance. 

The specs are: 

Intel Core i7-8550U @ 1.80 GHz, ~ 2.0 Ghz

12 GB ram

Intel HDU graphics 620 

NVIDIA GeForce MX 150 

My guess is that the game is not using Nvidia to render, instead relying on the Intel graphics and since, the CPU itself is powerful enough to run the game smoothly I am not seeing any lagging.

Sorry for the long post. I appreciate any kind of help.

Thanks