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sounds like this is the major drawback to amd then still. having a spare device might be an option if you sit in the office all the time, but not if your laptop broke while you're flying to another city/country, so not really. that was and is the major reason sticking with lenovo and dell until now though. lenovo does the same thing, thunderbolt (or better said usb c) just can't deliver enough energy for a serious workhorse.

well i am not stuck with them, anything else with comparable support and build quality is very welcome

Hey guys, I am browsing the web and really don't find anything I like from dell or lenovo which are my normal goto's for business purposes. Maybe someone of you has a great idea. For the next cycle (3 years) notebooks are needed that fulfill at least the following: - >= 4 physical cores - >= 32GiB RAM (we use up 32GiB just a few minutes after starting the machines. I really hate developers for using electron too much, its a pain in the ass and waste of memory) - energy efficient, at least 2-3 hours productive time off grid (last cycle we drive t580s which were amazing due to their exchangeable batteries a technology which lenovo sadly dropped) * productive means heavy use cpu wise. On the t580 there was an average discharge of 18.000 mW - an average mobile gpu for testing artificial intelligence off server when there is no internet or just for small tests - docking for at least 1 4k 60fps monitor and lots of usb devices (thunderbolt would be nice, but this would rule out amd too often?) - a good keyboard (it is for developers after all) - good linux hardware support (even lenovo sucks on that now though...) - price range 1000€-3500€ including tax - available support packages for next day repairs (comparable to lenovo and dell ones) Further notes: CPU wise, it should be powerful enough, but every developer has access to vast server resources, so it should be decent enough to not go crazy when you're offline with no internet available, but hey we survived just fine with the t580 which has a rather low base clock. However faster than that would be nice since it gets stuck once in a while b/c linters and autoformatters became quite heavy on cpu lately. Thanks upfront for your input and sorry for my nagging side comments :p

Just as an Update, as my new daily driver the Lenovo T580 made it, thanks for all your inputs. Reasoning: I had the chance to test the keyboard of the latest Lenovos and it is comparatively the most satisfying one. Remember, I need something mobile so an external keyboard is not an option. Apart from that the main reason wasn't the keyboard, but the Lenovo was just the best deal between: Performance, comaptibility (especially linux), quality and battery life. So I wasn't aware of Lenovos "new" (I know it is not that new though) hot swapable battery, which is by far the best option to keep performance without having to stop working after half an hour. So the t model made it instead of the p model since they do not really differ that much in their latest generation and as said before I do mostly only need single precision, so the quadro in the p model is nothing that would attract me. Finally the few hundred bucks I saved on the p model have been spend on additional batteries Overall I am pretty satisfied, I was suprised, compared to the t530 which was the last lenovo I had used in the past was quite bulky, lenovo has even made their t series now really slim. The IR camera is a nice addon, I coupled it with sudo requests for permissions and it is quite nice to use. But for login to the account it is still too insecure, so that makes a combination out of password (on linux you will always need a password the first time you log on (since all your passwords are encrypted with it)), fingerprint and an yubikey neo, which now also works via nfc which is nice for fast access, but mostly I still stick it into its port, at least when I am longer at the desk since removing the key automatically locks my system, which is convenience and why change a habit that ultimately makes you carry your key with you, which is the best you can do for external authetication factors. Face recognition with IRs depth support may only add on top of that. Overall recommendable, linux driver support is as good as it used to be in the past. Even the new docking stations that build upon USB-C/Thunderbolt works fine. Everyone of you who ever needed to deal with usb-c and/or thunderbolt on linux know the support is just really terrible as of today, especially screens via usb-c are a thing that doesn't work with the common adapters you find on the market. As always hardware producers don't care about linux and sadly they still do not open source their drivers, which would make stuff way more easy and they do not really loose much since their value is their hardware, not their software... . The only thing that sucks is that lenovo still forces you to buy windows with it... . I mean even if I would use windows, which never ever happens, everyone already owns a license from previous purchases... . P.S.: The only concern I had before I bought the System was the U processor, but it seems like the quite high boost clock of 4.2 GHz manages to keep everything fluent. However, and no one including me will see this as a surprise: Compiling is a bit slower compared to non u processors with higher base clocks, but not that much that it would really matter.

1) Basically 17" are worse to handle than 15", that is the only reason. For the Quadro, I would prefer a Geforce, since Quadros are not good for scientific computations and Geforce deliver better performance for the same money. Especially since DNN is mostly about Single Precision and my past experiences with Quadros compared to Geforce is, buy a Geforce instead. I do not expect to have a TESLA in a laptop though, when stuff gets that big, I offload it to the server farm anyway, but for local testing with smaller datasets it is still important to have a good card in place. 2. Yeah noticed that already. 3. Yes I'm aware of that, bulky is not a problem though, the lenovo t530 was also bulky but not that much of a problem. 4. Mostly true yup, but I'm lazy and would not mind the few bucks

germany (most of the time at least), why do you ask?

Never heard of Lunchbox yet, but that is maybe a bit too much to carry around :). Had years ago a Lenovo T530, has their keyboard improved since that? Could be a viable option. The problem I have with all of the common laptops on the market including the ones you already posted are the quadros, which are compared to GTX cards slower when it comes to DNN. At least most of the time. Btw. since I write the device off the taxes, a 3 year warranty is also a plus :D. Thanks for all the suggestions already

Hey there, I lately thought it could have a meaningful impact to gather some opinions from the community. Now I'm here and am craving for your input. So first of all, the requirements resolve from the following: - I'm a professional Engineer (Software), Researcher and Author - I work a lot with AI (Especially DNN and A-DNN) - I travel a lot, do not always have a good enough internet connection available and always work no matter where I am - I benefit a lot from the CPU performance, either core count or clock (since compiling goes well with multi core and/or a high clock) My current workstation is a Clevo P65xHP: - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7820HK CPU @ 2.90GHz (over clocked to 4.3GHz) - GeForce GTX 1060 Mobile 3GB - UHD Panel - 32GB RAM - 1TB HDD - 512 GB Samsung 960 PRO NVMe The hard requirements are: - min. 32GB RAM (yes I really needs this, also while I'm travelling) - min. 512 GB NVMe SSD - Availability of a second disk slot - A decent panel - imporant is: - wide viewing angle - Around 15", but that should be about the upper boundary - A resolution that is bigger than FHD but not necessarily UHD - A decent graphics card to accelerate local AI experiments - Strongest CPU that the budget allows - Linux compatibility (I only use linux, no Mac, no Windows, just linux) - Fans should be quiet (using a loud laptop in a meeting is not that funny) - The look is optional So also the reasoning, why I am not deciding for the Clevo P65xHP again. From performance perspectives, this laptop is perfect for my needs, but not for all of them. Especially the fans are problematic, it was quite useable when using the Intel GPU instead and clocking down the clock to 900MHz (which made it pretty slow, but for stuff you mostly need in meetings it does not matter that much). The reason for the noise is clear: The UHD panel. Both the Nvidia GPU and the Intel GPU installed on this device would have been significantly less loaded on a FHD device or something in between FHD and UHD. So that is ultimately the reason, why I'm looking around for something even better. Ah and btw. no Mac Books are not an option, the reason: Simply: I hate the keyboard of the new MacBooks, the old one was fantastic..., and the touchbar is a nightmare for developers, since I utilize the fkeys for a lot of automation stuff, the ESC key is not a problem since I remap the Caps Lock Key as second ESC key, but still... . Budget is around ~5000USD.