Razor01

Its legal lol, its an agreement between the two parties. If that agreement brakes laws then there is a problem, otherwise no problems at all.

I don't know how its there in is AUS, but if we buy property here, its ours to do with as we wish and its passed along to family even if there is no will, but there can be stipulations on that too, based on the seller, neighborhood (usually for exclusive residencies). Now if there is property tax in the state that you buy property here, you must pay that or their can be a lean put on you. Not just support, even selling of their a board that is based on nV's IP that they paid for to make. Ah no if MB had an IP agreement with Lambo and Lambo didn't fulfill that agreement, Lambo, can not sell their car, they might need to give the engine back in original form that it was given to them. Again we are talking about IP vs outright ownership. IP has certain rights. Want me to give you an example of IP of MB engines. Look at new Aston Martin DB I think, that uses an MB engine, one of the stipulation's put on them is they can't compete in the same market at MB doesn't, and the Aston Martin DB with that MB engine doesn't compete in the market that MB cars with that engine are in. If Aston Martin breaks that by lower prices of their DB to where MB cars are at, then they have problems.

Its not vague the reason why you are saying that is because patents are a function of multiple parts to create a patent, so its not easily definable, since there needs to be a thought process and logic involved, copyrights and trademarks are easily definable. If own ones IP rights,patents, copyrights and trademarks for a certain product, that they license to a 3rd party. The owner of that product is not the 3rd party, they can't do as they wish, they have the right to do certain things based on what is agreed upon, but ownership is never given, if ownership was given, then they can do what ever they want with those copyrights, trademarks, and IP. That is the definition and purpose of an IP license.

Its not vague, its part of intellectual property. https://www.cpsslaw.com/blog/2016/03/the-three-main-components-of-intellectual-property.shtml You think law firms like this one think its vague? Apparently the US state department is also vague about these things?

That is true. And so do AIB's own their own product then? You are saying the board IP is owned by nV, the GPU is owned by nV, the IP of HDMI is owned by HDMI, what does Asus really own? ROG brand and its cooler, is that it? Does that ROG brand and cooler constitute as ownership of the product?

Branding IS IP, please look that up if you can't understand it! IP has three different parts to it, one of it is branding, logo, and what not, those are copyrights. Does ASUS own its IP for the ROG brand, yes, but it has not weight in the current market. Because its co brand Geforce has all the weight and that is owned by nV.

That is exactly what you are saying, I am saying the opposite of that. AIB's don't have ownership of what they make, nor does nV, if they don't follow what is outlined in their license agreements of what constitutes making of those products. Doesn't matter if a company put up money to make the products, the ownership of the respective IP BELONGS to the creator of that IP.

If nV breaks the IP of TSMC, yes TSMC has full control on letting nV sell those GPU's or not lol IP license, is not the same as owner ship rights guys. So by no means is ownership ever transferred, that is why they are there. That is why I gave the example of software EULA, if we don't adhere to what is in a EULA and someone finds out, you can be banned form not using something you paid for. That isn't ownership, that is renting or something less than renting.

That is a problem, AIB's licensed nV IP to create board and sell GPU right? nV licensed HDMI for their board IP. You are saying AIB's own their nV cards because they made it If so nV made the HDMI parts (or bought them) and integrated them into their cards based on HDMI IP. That means nV owns HDMI too by your logic. What I'm saying is AIB's don't own their products outright, because they must do things based on what ever agreement they have with nV and their license to meet the obligation of selling the product.

yeah they own the cooler lol mentioned that quite a few times, that is about the only thing they own. They can sell that separately if they wish. And it doesn't count, because I can put a cpu cooler on an ASUS card and it will run, GN's has a nice video on that.

they have the license that gives them to right to put HDMI on their card, that license doesn't stop them from creating what ever they want though. They can sell the product as they wish, nV's license, and AMD's have other stipulations when they are reselling their products. That doesn't MEAN nV OWNS HDMI though, even though they paid for the use of it in a product! That is BS, nV doesn't own it, so part of their product is owned by someone else, if HDMI turns around and cancels its license to nV because nV did something that breaks the contract, nV can't sell its product with HDMI in them, so who owns nV's products now! Well nV doesn't have full ownership of its products at that point because they lost that ability. Just like Intel vs nV, nV was making Intel chipsets, Intel pulled the plug on nV's license, nV could not sell their chipsets/motherboards anymore. Because Intel OWNS the chipset, nV doesn't own their own product at this point.

Exactly, come on, nV's licence gives the right to even create the AIB BOARDS! They can't even create the boards if they don't have that license! But that license doesn't give them the right to sell those boards without the GPU's! In the past nV and AMD used to package the ram WITH the GPU, they bought the vram and sold it AIB partners! How quick are we to foget about all the way these AIB's make money. You don't get it @leadeater , if AIB's own a product as you say, like you are I, they can do WTF they want with, they can't, they are not allowed to sell in certain regions, they aren't allows to do what ever they want with their boards, they aren't allowed to do what ever they want with the GPU's, they aren't allowed to market in certain ways, YES that is also stipulated in current contracts, remember when nV put a minimum price of adverting for AIB cards? It was oh a 8 years ago?

And you are calling it illegal, because of its exclusive branding, is BS, we see this all the time in every industry, its not illegal. Does nV have more muscle yes, is it leveraging it yes. Does it hurt us as consumers by A) removing directly competing products in the market place B) price manipulation either up or down (below cost) Answer A) No AMD is just fine, AIB's can buy their cards as they wish, Even with the GPP, just brand them differently B) Nope happening The other parts of anti trust like tying, and all that good stuff, just don't even fit the bill. Anti trust laws that make manipulation of marketplace by over all influence of the market, MUST HURT the consumer's ability to buy a directly competing product, an AMD product, not another nV product, they are looked at as the same product just another brand. Or by a direct price manipulation that forces competitors to loose market share since they can't compete on lower prices or high prices which is forcing consumers to empty their pockets. Key words directly hurting the consumer either by price or by competitor choices. Neither of those are happening. So it doesn't equate to anything anti trust.

Its not illegal, its a contract between nV and its AIB partners, if they agree to it, its up to them lol. And its NOT THEIR PRODUCT if they want to resell it lol, because they don't have the right of ownership at that point! They have ownership of the license at that point, if they want to behave like an end user, yeah then they own the product, then they can't sell the card though. As a reseller they must abide by what their contract and license with nV is, if they have MDF, if they have early access, if they are able to overclock, what kind of branding is required, etc.

Any component so if its a fault of the GPU is it ASUS's responsibility to spend the money to get another GPU, or is it nV's? This is why the license also stipulates warranty amounts too. Why do you think EVGA dropped their life time warranties? They didn't want to drop it, it was because nV didn't want to uphold that anymore. It was costing nV too much with Fermi. Fermi had a higher GPU failure rate that previous cards.