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Hi guys! I've narrowed it down to 2 choices. 1. Msi GE72vr - 120hz w/1060 3gb 2. Asus GL702VM - 120hz+gsync w/1060 6gb (+thunderbolt) Both have 7700 cpu. The msi is 250 usd cheaper, but lacks gsync. Weight, size etc is not an issue. I want a 17" that's basically going to be sitting on a desk all the time, but unfortunately a desktop is out of the question. I've read thermals are better on the msi. Thermal Problems have been had on the asus, but apparently bios updates etc. Have fixed them: apparently a gl702vm owner on asus forums says this: "The fps drops are completely gone and without any tweaking the laptop runs in the mid 80's.However, if you use some undervolting and disable turbo when gaming you can further improve your temps down to the mid 70's." I believe the msi sits at 75ish degrees under load, but I may be wrong. Any suggestions? Anyone who owns either laptop? Is 250usd worth g sync and 1 thunderbolt?

That's what I've heard too. People describe the 3gb 1060 as a sham or neutered 1060. Even read the 3gb has less Cuda cores. The Asus features more ram too. I'm just afraid the Asus will throttle due to its seemingly ineffecient cooling (if one are to trust forum posts. Loads of them regarding heat on Asus forums etc.) I would THINK the msi has more efficient cooling. But I'm not sure if Asus solved it with the bios update (how that would solve a thin - > hot chassis though I don't know) Thanks again for being a hero zando

Thanks again to everyone for the replies! Appears the clevos I wanted to buy are unattainable for various reasons It appears I'm stuck between the following: Asus ROG gl702vm - 120hz g sync 1060 6gb + thunderbolt Msi ge72vr - 120hz 1060 3gb (NO gsync and NO thunderbolt) There are some slight variations in disk sizes but that's about it. The Asus is obviously the winner spec wise. However! The big but is I've read several places that the Asus reaches quite high temperature (80-90ish) during gaming. while notebookreview states the MSI maxes at 85 during stress tests (don't know real life gaming Temps). My retailer even has a "follow this link for bios bugfix/patch for heating problems/issues" for the Asus. The Asus seems a lot slimmer, and I'm afraid the issue is with the chassis design of the Asus. I don't know what to make of this? Should I make a new thread? Cheers

Alright thanks man! Any thoughts on this panel https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-P507-Clevo-P651HS-G-Notebook-Review.193074.0.html ? I did try reading up on it @notebookchecks forum and most people seemed quite pleased with the AOU TN panel. Thanks again for all the replies guys!

I tried looking at the 60hz ips review, https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nexoc-G734III-Clevo-P670RS-G-Notebook-Review.174030.0.html, but there's a lot of response times. Haha. Which one are we looking at? Regarding TN and color. I'd obviously want the colors to be as nice as possible, but Im no photoshop artist; apart from the random "I got time to spend"-photoshop sesh. Heck I even had a laptop for 2 years without calibrating my display. People said I was a doofus for not doing so, but I didn't notice. So I guess a TN is likely fine for me then he? The lower screen size->higher ppi is a point I guess. However, due to my current situation a desktop is out of the question. The laptop travels 2-4 times a year at, but at its destination it sits as a "desktop replacement" the whole time. So the lack of portability of a 17" aint really an issue:) Having 2 monitors w/g sync is an issue for my wallet. Besides wouldn't having a separate monitor defeat the purpose of buying a gsync and/or 120hz laptop display in the first place? Thanks a ton for bothering to reply! I'm pretty sure there's many people who would skip straight past seeing a post similar to their own previous "dilemmas". Unfortunately the Alienwares and such are too expensive in my region. You mention the clevo/sager (AOU and LG Phillips) TN panels are less than awesome. Would you care to look at the two reviews I posted under their display section and give your thoughts? I'm basically useless when it comes to interpretation of display tests. Never even heard of nits. The two options I've listed are basically what I can get for my price range, and they are both clevo. So it's basically A) 15" 120hz g sync TN w/1060 B) 17" 60hz gsync IPS w/1060 ( C) 15" 120hz gsync TN w/1070)) Looking at the reviews above? Which one would you pick?

Thanks zando! I have 0 experience with TN panels, but I do intend to use it mostly in the same position/desk as a desktop replacement. I guess the 15" 1070 120hz would tick more of my boxes, apart from smaller screen size and harder on the wallet. I just need to figure out how terrible TN panels are I guess. What some people are posting around the interwebs in regards to general image quality of TN panels seem outright terrifying. I can't quite figure out why the review is saying they are disappointed with the TN panel overall. Response times and color seems to satisfy them? Viewing angles is of course worse on a TN, but how bad can they be when sitting at a desk facing the screen head on? Do "ambient" sunlight in a room (with thick-ish curtains) wreck the ability of looking at it totally? https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-P507-Clevo-P651HS-G-Notebook-Review.193074.0.html Here's the review if any display savy/understanding people care to have a look. I never understood much bout displays tbh... Cheers!

Alrigthy! Thanks again:) Appears to be some deals complicating things now however. I can get a 15" w/1070 120hz g sync for 255usd more (than 17" 1060 60hz gsync). Should I jump on this instead? 15.6 inch 16:9, 1920x1080 pixel 141 PPI, AUO B156HTN05.2 (AUO52ED), TN LED, Full-HD, 120 Hz, G-Sync, glossy: no These are the display specs. So it's still a TN panel and smaller screen size. Any ideas anyone? Is it worth the price jump? Its a slight stretch for my wallet, but it might be possible.

Damn it. You just made it hard again. The 120hz was sort of sliding off the table. Wait wat? You mean a problem at daytime right? https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-P507-Clevo-P651HS-G-Notebook-Review.193074.0.html This is in essence the 15" that's in question. Should be the same panel. The new clevo pa70 which is I'm stock end of August does have a usb c tb3 port. I just can't picture external gpus being accessible enough (price wise too) to the mass market in the time I probably will replace my laptop/1060-70 will become obsolete enough I would feel the need for it? Yes, I understand that. However in my mind the 1060 would hover closer to 60fps rather than 120, meaning the benefit of 120hz+gsync would be minimal ? Thanks again guys!

Thanks again zando! You're pretty fast haha. (Slightly edited/added to my previously reply if you care:) )

Thanks again Zando Bob! I usually use my laptop as a desktop replacement though; same desk, same chair? But maybe that won't change TN panels being bad? The reviews over at notebookcheck in regards to the p651H monitor didn't seem THAT bad tho Maybe I'll be getting a 17" 60hz one of these days then. Seems to be the best choice in terms of display quality, added screensize and match of 1060's capabilities. Would a 1070 change anything though? Of course clevo just announced the pa70 with 17", 1070, gsync AND thunderbolt for only slightly higher price. Rip. Too bad it won't probably be in stock until I need it and start traveling. I hate computer manufacturers sometimes. Slightly off topic but; how far off into the future do we expect seeing "normally" prices external gpus which are accessible for mortals? Thanks again, and if anyone feels like chiming in with some additional info everything is appreciated! Cheers

So I guess it all boils down to wether or not 120hz is noticeable ENOUGH for MOBAs? I see many people sharing your view on 60hz being enough for mobas. But some say panning and teamfights look better on a 120hz.... I guess theoretically of course the benefit of 120hz is always there. I've never had a TN panel. But if one asks the interwebs, people don't really seem that pleased as opposed to image quality of ips. Are TN panels really that bad? We are talking clevo/sager laptops here, so I expect midrange panels. (p651h and p670) Lastly, would the 1060 even pull games like witcher 3, at a high enough framerate for even 120hz to matter? Ultimately I'm limited by what my gpu can produce. For dota 2 no problem, but then I'm basically buying a 120hz for smoothness in dota 2 alone (which could/could not be a good thing/worth it), as other games would play the same on a 60hz monitor. Sorry for being difficult, but I always have a hard time deciding due to "min/maxing" my purchases (I wanna make sure I get the most bang for my buck). Thanks again for the replies!

I guess you did it for me now? Editing in quotes on a smartphone was harder than I thought. Yes idd it is. I basically never play competitive fps games, but might play destiny 2 in the future though. However, I never plan on competing in the pro csgo scene to put it that way. But won't 120hz paired with gsync also be a just as nice addition to the smoothness of dota2 and other games? I do want a bigger screen (17) as opposed to my previous (15") but then again; if noticeable/beneficial enough; the gaming experience and performance/pleasantness would trump screen size either way (up or down if the 1060 can't keep up with 120hz) Edit: thanks a ton for the replies so far guys

They are both priced the same. The 15" has 120hz TN, while the 17" is 60hz ips. That's the only real difference. Same specs otherwise The jump up to 1070 would however be a bit too expensive. What I'm worried about is that I won't really benefit from 120hz w/gsync with a 1060, at least in games other than dota 2. As it can't keep framerates towards 120 or at least above 60 in higher end titles, and thus not really benefiting from g sync(?). The added screen size would thus be preferred. The smoothness of a 120hz w/g sync for dota 2 (my main game) would however be really really nice. Maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way?

Hi All this hz, frame syncing and fps is confusing(I do understand the basics of gsync etc. however) Is there any point to having a 120hz monitor (TN and it's disadvantages (?)) With 1060 g sync? It won't reach fps to sync at that hz in many games anyway? I'm deciding between 2 laptops. Laptop x= 60hz ips 17"Laptop y= 120hz TN 15"Both w/ 1060 + gsync I prefer 17" but 120hz does seem very nice, and id be willing to sacrifice screensize if it's beneficial/not pointless. I mainly play dota 2, which will be my primary game. I do however wish to play some higher end titles from the last years and incoming ones at 1080p at high-ish settings. Any guidance out there to be given? (I realize a 1070 120hz would "solve" my worries, but is currently a bit too much of a prize stretch ) Any advice or suggestions will be highly appreciated! Happy Tuesday!