Jrasero

I agree and I know this is only EVGA but I haven't had the problem of getting one

I am not hear to support mining and I am sorry that effects your friends work, but for every person like your friend there are probably 10 people on here that are screaming about mining because they can't get a card to use for more recreational purposes. Wouldn't your friend be using a deep learning card which has been mostly not effected by this due to high MSRP to begin with.

Never said you did and I never said you personally are jaded about your work situations but I find that people are bitter, jaded, jealous about who and how people make money trust me, people make comments all the time about DFS and how it is not a "real job" or hurting the casinos or whatever.

Not trying to bait you into anything just trying to get where you are coming from I actually believe crypto currencies are a dangerous bubble. I agree with everything you have stated and know a lot of DFS players who have dumped a ton of money into the shadier part of currencies. With this being said, this will all continue until the government steps in and regulates it or outlaws/creates it's own form of digital currency What I have a problem with is what you personally constitute work to be. People's definition of work is so jaded by their current work situations IMO

Are your against it do to environmental reasons then? Well crypto currencies are really the anti banks and Federal Reserve, so if you don't agree with our current economical system. I guess maybe this is a NY thing but I see you are from there but how do you feel about UBER and its effects on Taxi medallions? There are some similarities there between what's going on with mining I believe

ideally MSRP but it's up to you how much above that you want to pay personally I don't think a GTX 1080 Ti should go beyond $800 unless we are talking about a hybrid card $1400 is outrageous in the sense that a Titan XP or even just going YOLO and doing a Titan V almost seems like a better buy If you don't mind EVGA I would suggest signing up for their auto stock notifications, they seem to be replenishing stock every day or so and are selling the cards I believe at MSRP

I understand this, but I personal know people who mine or sold cards to miners and trust me it isn't free* money, why do you think ROI is always mentioned. Some people have put thousands if not hundreds of thousands into setups. You seem to want to make this a generational thing but it really isn't. People have always jumped at opportunity gold, oil, ect. A lot of people say anyone can mine. Can they? My litmus test, is could my parents do it? I know this is a totally different subject but on the side I would call myself almost a professional daily fantasy sport player and in NY it was banned not so long ago. My my personal reason for why DFS was not gambling is that is was a game of skill that not everyone could do. You give my mom $1000 vs me I will beat here in a H2H entry in any sport in DFS. I feel the same way about any business as well. You give someone a $10,000 credit line to start mining, not everyone will be able to do it or even be profitable. Just because it's all the rage and everyone is doing it, doesn't mean they are doing it right. So yeah it sucks this effects gaming, professionals, and anyone who requires a GPU but philosophically drawing a line on what constitutes morally deeming work is stupid.

I actually don't mine, but I have no qualms over anyone who does. Morally I have no objections to anyone trying to make a dollar as long as it isn't psychically or systematically hurting anyone. I know this sounds odd but there is more to life than gaming or computers and a life can be defined more than making YouTube videos. I could say how I used to teach or recently did relief work in Houston, but nah that doesn't matter for humanity right? GPU prices just matter but at the end of the day as long as the prices don't put you out of work we are talking about a niche problem in a macro sense. Just some perspective since you wanted to start throwing some shots

There really is no easy way to tell if a card has been mined that's the problem. I just sold my GTX 1080 and the first thing the guy asked was if it was mined on. I have also heard people repackaging cards and selling them as new. I personally was never for used cards prior to mining and now I will never buy one for the next couple of years if I can help it.

I would say depends on your case and form factor and if you plan to overclock. If your building a SFF PC I highly recommend going at least AIO. If you plan to overclock liquid cooling without a doubt helps. 1080 Ti is the most future proof gaming card at the moment since it can do 4K 60Hz Ultra at 60 FPS in most games, but if you don't play at those specs a good 1080, 1070 Ti, or even 1070 in SLI would be nice as well

Well I never said this is the perfect solution, but more so this is response to the people who have said that there isn't a solution or people like Jay who seem to be producing for the clicks not actually facts or solutions. As per R&D, yeah I get the idea but I also know that NVIDIA would be stupid not to have something in the pipeline. They talked publicly multiple times about mining being a sector they would want to focus on. They have already developed the MINING-P106-6G which offers no significant advantage over a GTX 1060. I do think mining cards will be further developed and deployed, whether or not they are the solution to the problem is another thing

Yeah the uncertainty around Volta has be upgrading at the moment, the problem was finding a 1080 Ti that wasn't $1200+. However I managed to get a SC2 Hybrid Ti directly from EVGA for $845 shipped and managed to sell my 2 month old EVGA GTX 1080 SC ACX 3.0 for $650 when I bout it for $545. So now my system gets a huge boost in GPU performance and I am fully liquid cooled I have said this before, but mining will put fluxes in the GPU market for the foreseeable future. Even if Volta comes out for various reasons I still see Pascal retaining a lot of its resale value, thus making an upgrade to Volta or whatever is next easier on the wallet

The problem with current mining cards is that they offer no real performance increases over gaming cards ASUS Mining P106 is just a GTX 1060, if Nvidia developed something on Volta that offered a real performance increase I think this would be a different story

I think the lack of resale for mining cards is being narrow minded, that like saying their is no market for server parts. I have use for server parts but there is a market and they sell on the daily. Just because it doesn't apply to you doesn't mean their isn't a demand

Well I believe this and don't. I think Nvidia has so much planned out at every step. You can't deny that the 1080 Ti just magically appeared over night. It be almost be irresponsible is your the CEO of NVIDIA to not develop a high end mining specific card. Maybe there truly is a supply shortage or maybe it's Nvidia working the market. I don't want to come off as a conspiracist, but it wouldn't surprise me

Joe isn't proposing taking a consumer card to do this

Mining cards also suck that's the problem

That's understandable, but it's all about supply and demand. If a new product floods the market that offer "X" ROI better than gaming cards the demand for gaming cards is alleviated thus third parties will not charge X3 Listen it's pretty simple, I have sold a few cards recently and even day to day news on mining and on speculation on incoming stock has effected what I can sell cards for.

One, would you openly buy a mining card? secondly Joe's solution proposes they use Volta which would offer the advantage of 2X-3X the performance. It's pretty simple miners don't need RGB or fancy back plates they just need the best ROI. We are in a shortage because two groups are fighting over one type of product targeted at gamers, I think opening a different segment would alleviate this

Working is working, nothing is free. I know people that have put their live savings into this or have legit financial backing in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's not abusing the market, it's called opportunity. People aren't keeping water out of third world countries or charging $5k or HIV meads, we are talking about cards based on gaming, which again for most of the world is a hobby at best.

Today I was randomly searching YouTube and I came across this guy named Timmy Joe PC Tech and he had a video named "NVidia Can Fix The GPU Shortage Pricing Issues but Don't Seem To Care" and I thought it was going to be another click bait video that just rehashed what we already know offering no real solution, but no it offers a real solution. The guy also mainly calls out Jay which I got a kick out of because I have been ultra critical about that video he posted about crypto currency killing PC gaming and how he came off, but his solution is Nvidia developing a worthy mining oriented card based on Volta that would MSRP $2K-$3K but offer 2X-3X the performance based on mining. What do you all think of Joe's solution?

I think this Timmy Joe guy offers a REAL solution and unlike Jay who comes off as just some wining incoherent "gamer" who is making a video more for clicks rather than content simply Jay stop producing for clicks and take 5 extra minutes to write a script to figure out a solution a problem a lot of the "community" has. No offense but if a guy with 26k followers can followers can come up with a half decent solution in 10 minutes imagine what Jay could do with his pull

I live in NY to and if you are just looking at local retailers you are probably doing it wrong. I still think you can score a MSRP card like Mick Naughty and I have be preaching, if you just go to every website and signup for auto notifications. I think ram is almost a worse problem since there is stock but sale prices are up 50%. I just paid $200 for 16GB ram when it initially was priced at $100 or so. The problem is that Jay constantly says he's part of the 'community" so yeah essentially he wants to be like "us" but lives in this bubble of mostly not being effected yet "caring" how a person who can't afford a $200 card feels. The dude has every imaginable card possible. Cry me a river dude My point is Jay is blessed to have 1.3 million followers and be able to monetize off something that is mostly a hobby for most people, so my argument is why the hate for mining when this is putting food on people's tables. It be me like saying why should this guy get free stuff and I don't? And why does he get to make videos all day and make hundreds of thousand of dollars while sit at a desk wondering when I get to retire and be on my third wife? People are just bitter and frustrated and maybe that's okay but who cares people are just trying to make a living, let them be. I am not saying he has enough inventory to help the industry, but my point is he makes his soap box of a video with no suggestions on how to get a card or any real clear train of thought. For me buying GPUs that I don't need, selling above MSRP, mining, or whatever is like not recycling. yeah it's bad but where do we draw the line between the difference between 1 can not recycled and person who buys sty-foam everything and throws his trash into the ocean. I consider myself on the low side of the problem I guess my point is there is a real disconnect between him and I. His worries are a bit overstated and IMO a bit of click bate

Whether you mine or game it is crazy time to try to obtain a graphics card, but also a profitable time to sell your pre-owned I recently watched JayzTwoCents little rant about mining and GPU pricing and while I watch all his videos and like the content he produces, God is he barking up the wrong tree. For one this is a guy who has enough parts to startup his own Best Buy and regularly gets free parts from vendors, so price gauging wise and availability this guy is not effected. Seconds he clearly comes off despising mining, which is his own personal belief but this is the dude that makes thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars off YouTube and his 1.3 million subscribers, so where do we draw this philosophical line on what profession is more moral? Sorry but that sounds like a professional sports player complaining how much sports equipment costs. Then he brings up the fact that he feels that mining may be hurting PC gaming numbers, but provides Steam statistics that contradict this. Overall he talks about being part of the "gaming" community and how the small guys who want that $200 card now have to pay $600, yet offers no solution and makes it known he will never sell a user one of his own GPUs at cost. What a nice guy. A guy that has so much pull I think he could do small give a ways or at least offer the common sense recommendation that cards can be obtained near MSRP or even MSRP by just signing up for auto restocking notifications via email whether at large retailers or directly with the manufacture. As per my experience with finding cards. Two weeks ago it was hard, like I couldn't find anything and a GTX 1080 Ti used or even when in stock was $1200+. Stock today comes and goes daily through major sites and in places like Newegg price gauging is still very real. I have signed up for countless auto notifications for stock and initially bought 6 cards but now have cancelled all but 1. The reason why is, I got the card I always wanted for MSRP and unloading 5 cards isn't as easy as it sounds. No I don't care about the "community", this is a capitalistic society and if I can make money due to supply and demand why not? I don't think me taking a very limited stock effects the gaming community to a wide degree and people who think otherwise are just bitter they can't get cards or get them at the price they deem worthy. The reason I have chosen to not resell is based on hassle. Ebay which can get some of the highest resells has some of the highest fees. Ebay fee, Paypal fee, and shipping fees and the hassle that Ebay greatly favors the buyer in terms of security but that is a whole other post. Then there are Craigslist and local sales which have the benefit of cash payouts, but have a lower pool of buyers and I have found these people usually provide low ball offers and meeting is usually a hassle. Also you still run the risk of some kind of scam on a local meetup and some of these people are just freaks. So where do you all stand on what is going on? Has this stopped anyone from buying a gpu or has it pushed you to wait until Volta?

No one knows but it could be 4-6 months from now If you can find a 1080 sure Even when Volta comes out you still will be able to sell your card, just you will not be getting MSRP+ for it probably