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  1. For the same price I buy these 2 models of RAM: - F4-3600C19D-16GVRB - F4-3600C18D-16GVK The difference I see is on timings. I was gonna buy the CL18 but then I saw that the other timings were actually worse so I'm not sure which one has the best performance, the CL19 with better other timings or CL18 but worse timings? I know at the end of the day this will make 0 difference in real world but since they are the same price and they are the only thing in stock below 100€ in my country, I want to make the best choice possible (and yes, this is probably exactly the same memory chips :P)
  2. I did an analysis on another thread that can be helpful: in your case it's a bit different because 2400 is indeed slow but even then I'm not sure if it's worth the trouble of upgrading, at least for gaming there could be better places to spend the money
  3. On a related note, check out this: https://www.techspot.com/review/1968-ryzen-3600-vs-2600-gaming-scaling/ The combination of CPU + GPU is very interesting to analyse and the only true conclusion is that it depends immensely: some games when you up the resolution + settings improve their performance with a better CPU, some just start getting GPU bound and it's the same. If you look at the overall results it seems clear that 3600 is better than 2600 but if you start drilling down and look for example at RX 5700, there are some specific games, at specific resolutions, at specific settings that the difference between the 2 isn't really worth it. So you have to analyse reviews with the kind of GPU that you are gonna use and the specific resolution that makes sense for you. Just looking at 1080p medium settings doesn't matter much if you can play at 1440p ultra settings. Just from this test that has 2600, 3600 and 3900x, looking at 1440p ultra quality I would say there is clearly a point of diminishing returns and that should be around the 3600. The difference between 3600 and 3900x is tiny. My advice is to get the best CPU that makes sense for your budget level. If you have a GPU that is playable at 1440p then a good base is really the popular 3600. I don't really see a need, just for gaming, to go higher than that. Yes, maybe some gaming benchmarks give you more FPS with a 3900x but does it matter if it's already 150 vs 160fps? In the very far future we can't guess if it will matter, but probably all the cpus will be too slow altogether, not really that the 3600 is slow but 3700X still holds up. Maybe a good rule of thumb is to get a CPU that is $100 less than your GPU? Of course this can all change if newer games start getting more CPU bound but I doubt it. The 3700X is more than enough to feed the RX 5700XT. It's already expensive just for gaming. My doubts would be to go lower, not higher
  4. I did a little bit more research into this whole DDR / Ryzen performance and crunched the numbers on this article: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-3000-best-memory-timings,6310.html My main takeaway is that nothing matters if kept within 'sane bounds'. Real world gaming performance won't change between 3200 CL16 / 3600 CL18, probably even 3000 CL16. Also this was very specific tests and I only analyzed 1440p performance. It clearly shows there are a lot of variables that can impact all of this so just don't worry and get the cheapest sticks within reason It's a bit impossible to guess if for your specific CPU, game, resolution and settings the better synthetic DDR performance will matter or not. One thing is for sure: all 'premium' DDR doesn't seem to be worth it in terms of price/performance. By premium I mean everything that costs +-25€ more than the 'standard' 3200 CL16.
  5. More specifically, between these two: https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/185/1567584549/F4-3200C16D-16GIS-Specification https://www.gskill.com/product/165/184/1536054483/F4-3000C15D-16GVKB-Overview mobo: msi B450M PRO-VDH, cpu 2400G with possible upgrade to 3600 at the end of the year. 3000 CL15 is 10€ more. My suspicion is that this is exactly the same thing, just when you take the 3200 CL16 down you can get CL15 but we can never be sure Any guesses what would perform better or just get the cheaper one? I'm already disappointed because I wanted a 3600 CL16 but it's out of stock for a while now.
  6. yeah, thanks. probably not worth the risk of running different brands of RAM, yes.
  7. hmmm, I wasn't aware that I can actually lose performance/stability because of it I sometimes see memory usage right on the edge of the 16GB but yeah, don't really wanna lose performance because of it
  8. I have a MSI B450M Pro VDH mobo paired with the 2400G and 2 sticks of ram in one channel: F4-3000C16D-16GISB running at XMP speed of 2933 CL16. I was wondering if I get a new kit for the other channel (2 sticks more) if I can get a CL15 kit and it will run at that timing. I think speed wise the lowest speed of the whole mobo determines it but for CAS Latency I think it's per channel but I just wanted to confirm if it's gonna work... Not that it matters much in performance but the price is the same so it's always a bit nicer to get better things for the same Price. In this case it would be a CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX RED 16GB 3000MHZ 2X8GB CL15 kit. Or maybe it's not worth it to mix 2 different brands of RAM in the same MOBO and just buy the same kit I already have of g.skill memory?
  9. I don't see any problems replacing it. If you want them to run at 3200 you need to go into the bios and select the right A-XMP configuration. But I'm not sure you'll notice any major difference in whatever problem you have. If you mean that 8GB is not enough, that's OK, but in terms of speed I know if you use the integrated AMD GPUs it makes a difference but other than that, I'm a bit doubtful it will be worth the change.
  10. Thanks, I'll have to test it out. The mobo seems like it allows me to select a low value (at least I can input it on the BIOS) but my current case fans seem to have a minimum where they don't go lower than that, it could be that case. I'm gonna test it with the noctua fan.
  11. I found out around the basement an old NF-P12 that I have that is not-PWM controlled but comes with 2 adapters for ultra low noise and low noise. From a very old LTT video I understand these adapters just reduce the voltage sent to the fan. But my mobo (MSI B450M PRO-VDH) already has a smart fan setting where I can define different voltages for different temperatures so what I was wondering is if it's worth it to use those adapters to reduce my overall noise or just use the smart fan feature of my mobo and control it dynamically. At least in theory it seems it makes more sense to use the Mobo feature but just wanted to confirm I'm not understanding this incorrectly.
  12. I want to buy an Asus ROG Strix Radeon™ RX 5700 OC but I was wondering if it will fit nicely into my system with the mobo MSI B450M PRO-VDH and the case CoolerMaster Silencio 352. Looking at the specs, the gpu is 305mm long and the case fits GPUs until 355mm so it seems all is OK. The GPU is 2.7 slot design. But I was wondering if there is gonna be any incompatibility. Picture of mobo: I'm a bit afraid of that south heatsink, if that gonna crash into the GPU or even the SATA ports on the right...
  13. Thanks for all the feedback. I chose the gigabyte with triple fans based on this video: But I never saw a direct comparison of noise of say Sapphire Pulse vs Gigabyte RTX 2060 triple fan. By 'default' the RX 5700 seem to be noisier but for example here: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14618/the-amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-rx-5700-review/15 The RX 5700 has a lower power draw than the RTX 2060. I believe that with a good cooling system probably the RX 5700 can be a quiet GPU, it seems much better in noise than the 5700 XT. So that's my doubt If I can get a RX 5700 that is quiet enough.
  14. I know in terms of performance who wins but I care most about noise levels, to be as low as possible. the stock RX 5700 doesn’t have good reviews but there are a lot of models that are dual fan so they are probably much better so my specific questions is what GPU I can get that is quieter including all the different brands for both cards. i also know I should be using the 2060 super but in my country that’s more expensive. For AMD what is in stock is for example Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 Pulse 8GB (seems like an OK cooling solution) MSI Radeon RX 5700 Evoke 8G OC (don’t know about this) Asus Radeon RX 5700 Dual EVO OC 8GB Powercolor red dragon is 35€ more expensive. then for RTX 2060 I narrowed it down to the Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 Gaming OC Pro 6G (rev 2.0)(GV-N2060GAMINGOC PRO-6GD) that is on stock and at the same price level as the sapphire pulse. It’s the cheapest 3 fan card and I know it’s gonna be quiet. my real doubt is if any of the RX 5700 are gonna be as quiet as this gigabyte. I just never saw a good review comparing after market 5700 with 2060
  15. A related doubt: if the card supports '0db' technology, is it gonna be the same having a 1660 super or a RTX 2060 when doing non-gaming work in terms of noise, right? they both will have fans off basically, or not?