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Notional

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  1. The consumers can still buy their favourite brand. It will just have different component in it. But like I've stated several times, I very much doubt we will see an import ban in the EU. No responsible company would ever let it come to that, dispite their level of vindictiveness. NVidia would fold long before that would happen.
  2. This is all that the EU convicted Google of wrong doing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_vs._Google If the FTC prosecuted Google for their shopping prioritization, then I stand corrected. But that is not all the EU convicted Google of. Stating that the FTC is somehow responsible of all of this, is a little bizarre.
  3. EU convicted Google on their prioritization of stores in their search engines. Show me where the FTC looked into that? FTC looked into a bunch of things, but they never accused Google of that. Plenty of things gets banned in the EU all the time. No one gives a frack. They just buy something else. Only us tech nerds know NVidia. The average joe only knows the brand on the final product. WHen it comes to computers, people know Microsoft, Google and Apple. Maybe Intel, but most don't. Then they know the brands of their laptops (if they are well known), tv's and smartphones. As long as there is an alternative, no one cares. You really think over 700 million people would be so mad at the ban of a single companies products, that at that point is convicted of anti competitive practices, would brign the entirety of the EU down? Now THAT is being naive. If you don't work at a tech company, ask your co workers what NVidia is. Most won't know or care.
  4. IF it happened (and that is such a big IF, that I doubt it ever will), it would free up ressources at TSMC,that AMD could easily fill up. It's basically a zero sum game here. Besides, Samsung can make AMD's products as well at this point. Yes. I have yet to see anyone anywhere claim that the FTC fought against Google's prioritization of their own store links and google affiliated stores on their search engine. The FTC looked at other things, but I have yet to see any evidence that they did that. No. Most people don't even know what NVidia is, nor care. The few edgy fanboys can't vote, so their opinion doesn't matter. If the news simply stated NVidia had been convicted for anti consumer behaviour, refused to pay up, and as a result got an import ban, absolutely no one would be an this non household name companies side. That being said, I doubt we will ever see such a ban. If it happened, NVidia would instantly fold as the shareholders would tear them a new one.
  5. Brexit happened because the EU took too much power away from the citizens of the UK, and forced bonkers immigration laws on the UK. It had nothing to do with products or companies. The FTC barred plenty of (albeit obsolete) products in the law suit between NVidia and Samsung. You don't see anyone whine about that?
  6. All those companies sell AMD GPU's, motherboards, and at least two af them sells laptops in the EU as well. Heck some of them sell desktops and monitors too in the EU. Are you honestly telling me, that these companies would some how stand behind NVidia "sign our GPP or get fracked", by pulling their entire operations out of the second largest market in the world? You didn't think this through, did you? https://mlexmarketinsight.com/contact-us/ftcwatch/selected-2017-articles/ftc-urged-to-reopen-google-probe-after-record-eu-fine
  7. It wouldn't bother NVidia to lose the second largest market in the world? Are you high? What do you think the board partners are going to do? All their stuff is made outside of the EU. It would be barred from being imported in the EU.
  8. No problem, because I said 'Murica. Besides the intersectional seminists are way ahead of you. Everything they don't like is "hate" speech, and hate speech is illegal EUC can easily prove it. They can ask for full access to ALL communications between NVidia and other companies, as well as pull them into a trial to testify. Sure, if NVidia doesn't have EU offices, they can just deny and refuse, but that would just give them an instant guilty sentence. A company in an EU court is not necessarily innocent until proven guilty. You keep bringing the FTC into it. The EUC has convicted companies with no involvement to the FTC. Yes they could. That would not go well for NVidia.
  9. That would be the letter of the law. Actual execution of the law relies heavily on precedent and sometimes even the spirit of the law. The EU courts has a nasty habit of manipulating the two, to the point of almost making new law (which no judge should). If the EU comission finds that NVidia has broken the law, then it doesn't matter what the law actually says. NVidia has no power in the say.
  10. Tell that to Microsoft, Google and Intel. Ok, sure some of them knew they were breaking the law, but still. Law is finicky and a complete greyscale. That is why a law degree takes so long to get, and why precedent is so important in law. It's simply not as black and white as people seem to think. NVidia and their army of lawyers might believe they upheld the law. But prosecutors and the courts might disagree.
  11. They already did when a new country enters the EU, the human rights automatically gets adopted ex post facto. Many laws that result in less harsh sentencing also generally gets implemented ex post facto. But again, we are talking about corporations here, not human beings. Because humans have human rights. Companies, not so much.
  12. The US isn't the entire world. Besides you don't have to outright make new laws. You can simply change what is needed to fulfil current laws by making new precedents.
  13. Don't say things you know nothing about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law
  14. Tell that to @pas008, because apparently it's all hearsay.
  15. Lol. Let me guess: Only a signed official statement by NVidia and XFX would suffice? Get real.
  16. https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/carl/xfx-speak-to-kitguru-no-more-nvidia-cards/ No, it would not break a law per se, as this has no influence on AMD (then ATI). Back then NVidia wasn't the market leader either. Yeah, but most of those GPU vendors tends to belong to the same parent company. Anyways, if someone wants to be exclusive so be out. As long as they aren't coopted by either NVidia or AMD to be so.
  17. Most get to do both, but some companies have separate company branding for each GPU vendor. The only true exclusive I know of, are Sapphire and XFX for AMD and EVGA for NVidia. XFX used to be NVidia exclusive, but when they wanted to make AMD cards as well, NVidia excluded them. Asus has no negotiation power against NVidia. That's the point.
  18. Again, we can only conclude that, if a given court has come to that conclusion. Until then, it's just speculation/belief.
  19. Benefits necessary to be competitive. You know these vendors needs engineer samples months ahead, as well as support from NVidia to properly use it. Yeah that goes away, when you don't sign. You also get under prioritized with stock, so you can't sell as many. It was a scummy programme that skewed competition, both between the vendors and between AMD and NVidia. It seems Asus has already pulled the AREZ brand, as it no longer shows up on the US site, unless you outright search for it, which gives you greyed out results.
  20. Exactly. So just writing that off, is not a choice. That is the entire point: NVidia abusing their power as a market leader. Remember this goes beyond just GPU's. You have laptops too, and we even saw how Kaby Lake G nucs/laptops became a huge problem for the vendors because of GPP.
  21. That is not the issue of GPP, so idk why you bring that in?
  22. You know vendors are not GPU fanboys, right? Why would Asus for instance, say no to access to NVidia's GPU market? Or AMD's GPU market? But I guess abuse of power is irrelevant, if you just chose to exit a huge multibillion dollar market. That makes sense.
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