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We're now squishing even more on a 14nm die! (Just another day at Intel) Comet Lake!

15 minutes ago, Arika S said:

i was thinking "because it's will be just as hot as one entering the earth's atmosphere"

Nah its because "the heatsinks will boil off as the "sun" heats it up"

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6 hours ago, Pascal... said:

Wow, the pike really made a hard 180 degree turn and now Intel will probably land hard on their faces for the next couple of years, lol.

in terms of consumer cpu's, yeah maybe; Intels embedded and low level tech is more than enough on its own to keep intel afloat.

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19 minutes ago, porina said:

 A channel can address multiple modules, but it can only talk to one at a time as there's shared connections.

 

Ahhh, i assumed the shared stuff was on the MB side rather than the CPU socket side.

 

14 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

This 10 core is going to be fast, expencive and great in a multitude of ways. The only thing holding it back will be price.

We have yet to see what boost clocks will be for these chips, but id imagine they will be high seeing as single and double core boost clocks really dont care about core count.

 

Based on leaks 5.2Ghz is the peak but the thing is in general we don;t see that big a gap between base and boost clocks.

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Why do people get hung up on price when talking about top end stuff (especially stuff most of us won't actually buy)?   The best of the best of the best always has a high price tag regardless of why.  It doesn't cost $100 more per bottle to make 12 yo whiskey but they can charge it that way because it objectively tastes better.  Same with CPU's GPU's, watches, cars etc, the difference in R+D and manufacturing might be more but they are selling to significantly less people (basically only those who want the best and don't care about cost).  The rest of us are happy to sacrifice a few performance units in order save $$.

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2 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Why do people get hung up on price when talking about top end stuff (especially stuff most of us won't actually buy)?   The best of the best of the best always has a high price tag regardless of why.  It doesn't cost $100 more per bottle to make 12 yo whiskey but they can charge it that way because it objectively tastes better.  Same with CPU's GPU's, watches, cars etc, the difference in R+D and manufacturing might be more but they are selling to significantly less people (basically only those who want the best and don't care about cost).  The rest of us are happy to sacrifice a few performance units in order save $$.

 

Any uptick in peak performance usually comes with lower price point release tat uptick too. Zen2 is really going to make it's meat and bones there. AMD could release an 8 core Ryzen 5 3600X clocked at roughly the same values as a 9900K but at the Ryzen 5 price point. Given the IPC improvements on Zen 2 that should smoke everything but the 9900K and be very close to the 9900K, all whilst being less than half the price. And given what they can do with the Ryzen 7 without going about 115w TDP or so it's not remotely unreasonable they'd do that.

 

I figure the actual Ryzen 7 will be 12 cores clocked up to around the same clocks as a 9900K. Or they could do 10 cores at a slightly higher frequency.

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1 hour ago, sazrocks said:

Zen 2 or Zen 3? I haven’t heard anything about Zen 3

3, I think. Whichever one was going to be 7nm.

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Someone needs to get Intel a new clock, this tock tock tock nonsense is getting a little ridiculous....

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22 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Why do people get hung up on price when talking about top end stuff (especially stuff most of us won't actually buy)?   The best of the best of the best always has a high price tag regardless of why.  It doesn't cost $100 more per bottle to make 12 yo whiskey but they can charge it that way because it objectively tastes better.  Same with CPU's GPU's, watches, cars etc, the difference in R+D and manufacturing might be more but they are selling to significantly less people (basically only those who want the best and don't care about cost).  The rest of us are happy to sacrifice a few performance units in order save $$.

For me, it's the ridiculous price on Intel's i9.  When I was upping my CPU for Maya I was primarily looking between TR and an i9.  The two top-end options at the time were the 1950x and the 7980xe.  Now, TR had dropped down to 700 at the time while Intel wasn't even dropping the price at all on that i9.  The price difference is 1100 bucks for 11 percent performance increase.  Even if I were to buy the current top TR I'd be spending like 70 bucks less than that i9 and getting an 11 percent performance gain over that i9.  Actually, the price on that i9 is now like 1,930 USD.  There's literally no point to buying that.

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2 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Feels like the Intel CEO has been listening to a lot of Simon & Garfunkel.

Ironically they still haven't named a replacement CEO since Krzanich got kicked out. The interim CEO is Robert Swan atm and theyre still looking for a replacement.

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33 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

Someone needs to get Intel a new clock, this tock tock tock nonsense is getting a little ridiculous....

They are being extremely ambitious with their 10nm. Their 10nm is actually the closest to a '10nm' we have currently, all others so far are physically closer to 14nm or 12nm.

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1 hour ago, TheRandomness said:

They are being extremely ambitious with their 10nm. Their 10nm is actually the closest to a '10nm' we have currently, all others so far are physically closer to 14nm or 12nm.

This excuses them from basically recreating the "same" product how exactly?

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3 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

That's when AMD said they're unveiling Navi and Zen 2.

Interesting it maybe some stuff they've been trying to master before deployment but its probably a very small step for mankind.

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9 hours ago, dizmo said:

And yet...I have a feeling they might still beat the equivalent AMD chip. People love bashing Intel for this, yet AMD was falling flat on their face for years.

It'll be interesting to see, that's for sure.

AMD has beaten Intel at core clocks before. It didn't help. (Yes, I know that was then with a much older architecture, but it's still true).

 

I'm pretty interested to see how Zen2 does.

Yeah and people bashed AMD constantly for years until they got their shit together. Now it's even worse because intel is doing exactly what they laughed at AMD for; stupidly just adding cores and clocks; then calling it a new generation and increasing prices exactly like AMD. 

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9 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

Probably an Threadripper branded CPU with WX branding. A 3800wx costing around 600$. They cant tarnish their threadripper

To be fair threadripper comes with quad channel memory and a ton of pcie lanes so it's not like a 16 core mainstream cpu would really compete with a 16 core high end desktop cpu all that well. Plus anyone who bought a 16 core cpu would likely have access to an even higher core count threadripper cpu.

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2 hours ago, imreloadin said:

This excuses them from basically recreating the "same" product how exactly?

 

But their not. Their iterations on the 14nm node have actually produce steps forward in per transistor performance and density. The big issue Intels really running up against is thermals because power draw is closely tied to transistor size and can't really be improved that much as a result. Thats the real reason intel hasn't pushed core counts too aggressively. At the kind of clocks intel likes to run at for lightly threaded performance advantage an 8 or more core CPU is just too much thermally speaking 

 

You have to remember the process also affects the peak attainable clock speed with smaller processes generally pushing the clocks upwards. AMD even with TSMC's 7nm is barely able (on paper anyway), of edging out the best intel currently has. If this comet lake gets any clock speed uptick, (and it almost certainly will), their going to be matching TSMC's significantly smaller process, thats actually technically quite impressive.

 

In fact the only thing really holding intel back right now is how far behind they are on the chiplet process. If they'd started on that at the same time AMD did or even before that they could bury AMD right now, process constraints be dammed because a chiplet architecture lets you spread the thermals out far more than a monolithic design, so with it intel could afford vastly higher TDP's without issue on the thermals side, (cooler manufacturers would probably be unhappy with the size of the resultant IHS and neither board manufacturers nor PSU companies would be exactly delighted ethier, but they could absolutely produce the hardware in a consumer usable form).

 

I'm basically convinced where gonna see a double die design on a new socket for this 10 core for that very reason. How they interconnect everything is going to be interesting.

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3 hours ago, GloriousPain said:

Yeah and people bashed AMD constantly for years until they got their shit together. Now it's even worse because intel is doing exactly what they laughed at AMD for; stupidly just adding cores and clocks; then calling it a new generation and increasing prices exactly like AMD. 

They did it repleatedly, they deserved it. Intel has only had one generation of trouble. The amount of bashing is really unwarranted.

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6 hours ago, williamcll said:

Who in intel should be blamed for this?

Brian Krzanich

 

He became CEO just after haswell (4770k)  launch, he is to blame for the lag in CPU market on intel side.

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8 minutes ago, dizmo said:

They did it repleatedly, they deserved it. Intel has only had one generation of trouble. The amount of bashing is really unwarranted.

Intel did sit on 4c way to long and they did rush 2 CPU launches so far going on 3. so I see 2 going 3 generations of issues.

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15 minutes ago, dizmo said:

They did it repleatedly, they deserved it. Intel has only had one generation of trouble. The amount of bashing is really unwarranted.

"One generation" Since Haswell Skylake has been the only generation of actual improvements; Broadwell, Kaby Lake, and Coffee Lake... Have all been micro improvements or adding new cores/upping clocks; Tantamount to the FX X1XX and X3XX and 9XXX series(es)...

 

And again this isn't  because they're making a mistake in doing so; it's because they're doing it hypocritically after bashing AMD for doing it. Especially because AMD was relatively forced into it due to lack of funds to do much else until they finished developping Ryzen. Intel is just having issues throwing money into the air and getting something to come out of it after trash talking for years.

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25 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

He became CEO just after Kaby lake (4770k)  launch, he is to blame for the lag in CPU market on intel side. 

The 4770K was a Haswell chip, I believe Kaby Lake was the 7700K.

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