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I've been doing a lot of reach lately and I decided to come here and ask for the sake of time. Here we go.

 

In my bios, I have set my ram to 2933Mhz, which is the posted box speed for my G.Skill Trident-z RGB ram. My exact model ram is F4-2933C16D-16GTZRX.

The box speed says the following.

DDR4-2933Mhz

CL-16-16-16-36

 

Now here is where it gets odd and confusing. According to CPU-Z, with the math already done. my ram speed comes out to 2926Mhz, which I was told by Science Studio is near the optimal speed of 3000Mhz for an AMD Ryzen 2 2700.

 

Also on top of that, the timings are quite high in CPU-Z because I had to leave the timings to auto in the bios because if I try to use DOCP, my system ram becomes unstable.

So right now this is what all CPU-Z is saying. http://prntscr.com/llv6n3 So while I am in within the timings needed for AMD Ryzen 2, my timing are not even box speed timings and not even the right voltage. If I were to manaually correct this in the bios, what do I do? If I should leave it alone, am I running into a problem? I think my G.Skill ram came with not very good chips on them. Once more when I do CMD Command Line to have my ram speed displayed in CMD, it says 2933, but CPU-Z says otherwise. What I am missing?

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1 hour ago, _Grid21 said:

I've been doing a lot of reach lately and I decided to come here and ask for the sake of time. Here we go.

 

In my bios, I have set my ram to 2933Mhz, which is the posted box speed for my G.Skill Trident-z RGB ram. My exact model ram is F4-2933C16D-16GTZRX.

The box speed says the following.

DDR4-2933Mhz

CL-16-16-16-36

 

Now here is where it gets odd and confusing. According to CPU-Z, with the math already done. my ram speed comes out to 2926Mhz, which I was told by Science Studio is near the optimal speed of 3000Mhz for an AMD Ryzen 2 2700.

 

Also on top of that, the timings are quite high in CPU-Z because I had to leave the timings to auto in the bios because if I try to use DOCP, my system ram becomes unstable.

So right now this is what all CPU-Z is saying. http://prntscr.com/llv6n3 So while I am in within the timings needed for AMD Ryzen 2, my timing are not even box speed timings and not even the right voltage. If I were to manaually correct this in the bios, what do I do? If I should leave it alone, am I running into a problem? I think my G.Skill ram came with not very good chips on them. Once more when I do CMD Command Line to have my ram speed displayed in CMD, it says 2933, but CPU-Z says otherwise. What I am missing?

 

Can you show the 'CPU' tab?

Your Bus speed should be running at 100 MHz, but is normal if it dips into 99.99, 99.98, etc.

 

Your RAM speed is ratio of your Bus speed, as you can see in your CPU-Z screenshot.

(100 MHz x 44 ) / 3 = 1466.666 MHz

1467 MHz is the ACTUAL DRAM frequency, and the effective speed is ... 1467 x 2 = 2933 MHz.

 

If your Bus speed is say ... 99.95 MHz.

(99.95 MHz x 44 ) / 3 = 1465.93 MHz

1465.93 x 2 = 2931.86 MHz

 

A small Bus fluctuation can change your RAM frequency by a few MHz.

 

 

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1 minute ago, -rascal- said:

 

Can you show the 'CPU' tab?

Your Bus speed should be running at 100 MHz, but is normal if it dips into 99.99, 99.98, etc.

 

Your RAM speed is ratio of your Bus speed, as you can see in your GPU-Z screenshot.

(100 MHz x 44 ) / 3 = 1466.666 MHz

1467 MHz is the ACTUAL DRAM frequency, and the effective speed is ... 1467 x 2 = 2933 MHz.

 

If your Bus speed is say ... 99.95 MHz.

(99.95 MHz x 44 ) / 3 = 1465.93 MHz

1465.93 x 2 = 2931.86 MHz

 

This is the CPU tab from CPU-z http://prntscr.com/llvnpe Bus speed seems to be at 99.76Mhz and adjusts here and there. Is it normal for the clock timings on the memory to be so low? Remember, I forced 2933Mhz in the bios but left everything else with the memory on auto. Even the voltage.

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1 hour ago, _Grid21 said:

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What I am missing?

Nothing.

 

It's normal fluctuation. 

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Just now, corrado33 said:

Nothing.

 

It's normal fluctuation. 

And it's normal for the clock timings to be so high on that memory tab. Because the only thing that changed was the memory speed I set in the bios. Would putting a little more voltage into the memory adjust the clocks and timings? Or no?

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8 minutes ago, _Grid21 said:

This is the CPU tab from CPU-z http://prntscr.com/llvnpe Bus speed seems to be at 99.76Mhz and adjusts here and there. Is it normal for the clock timings on the memory to be so low? Remember, I forced 2933Mhz in the bios but left everything else with the memory on auto. Even the voltage.

 

The 0.3 MHz change is giving you the ~10 MHz difference in your RAM speed.

That is fine.

 

That said, I am curious, what motherboard are you using?

Also, are you on the latest BIOS for your motherboard?

Most motherboards are able to keep the Bus speed much closer to the 100 MHz mark -- like I mentioned before, something like 99.98 / 99.97 MHz.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, _Grid21 said:

And it's normal for the clock timings to be so high on that memory tab. Because the only thing that changed was the memory speed I set in the bios. Would putting a little more voltage into the memory adjust the clocks and timings? Or no?

Ah, I see your issue. 

 

Turning DOCP on SHOULD give it more voltage automatically. If it doesn't, then sure, give it some more voltage. 

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Just now, -rascal- said:

 

The 0.3 MHz change is giving you the ~10 MHz difference in your RAM speed.

That is fine.

 

That said, I am curious, what motherboard are you using?

Also, are you on the latest BIOS for your motherboard?

Most motherboards are able to keep the Bus speed much closer to the 100 MHz mark -- like I mentioned before, something like 99.98 / 99.97 MHz.

 

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1 minute ago, -rascal- said:

 

The 0.3 MHz change is giving you the ~10 MHz difference in your RAM speed.

That is fine.

 

That said, I am curious, what motherboard are you using?

Also, are you on the latest BIOS for your motherboard?

Most motherboards are able to keep the Bus speed much closer to the 100 MHz mark -- like I mentioned before, something like 99.98 / 99.97 MHz.

 

I think his issue is more with the timings rather than the frequency. They're supposed to be 16-16-16-36 while CPUz is measuring 21-21-49-70

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Ah, I see your issue. 

 

Turning DOCP on SHOULD give it more voltage automatically. If it doesn't, then sure, give it some more voltage. 

The issues came when DOCP was turned on, then I ram into Windows black screening on me, and USB devices weren't be accessed like normal and heck, even memtest86 failed with DOCP enabled.

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Just now, _Grid21 said:

The issues came when DOCP was turned on, then I ram into Windows black screening on me, and USB devices weren't be accessed like normal and heck, even memtest86 failed with DOCP enabled.

Hmmm, that's odd. DOCP SHOULD work. Try setting the timings manually but like 1 or 2 numbers higher but with the same voltage that DOCP uses. 

 

So try like 1.4V with 18-18-18-38 or something. (I think the DOCP voltage is 1.35 according to their website.)

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3 minutes ago, corrado33 said:

I think his issue is more with the timings rather than the frequency. They're supposed to be 16-16-16-36 while CPUz is measuring 21-21-49-70

 

I believe he has the memory timings on AUTO.

If my memory is correct, not ALL motherboards will change the DRAM voltage when XMP / DOCP  is enabled.

It doesn't hurt to double check in the BIOS anyways.

 

@_Grid21

What does the 'SPD' tab say?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, corrado33 said:

Hmmm, that's odd. DOCP SHOULD work. Try setting the timings manually but like 1 or 2 numbers higher but with the same voltage that DOCP uses. 

 

So try like 1.4V with 18-18-18-38 or something. (I think the DOCP voltage is 1.35 according to their website.)

 

12 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

I believe he has the memory timings on AUTO.

If my memory is correct, not ALL motherboards will change the DRAM voltage too -- doesn't hurt to double check in the BIOS anyways.

 

@_Grid21

What does the 'SPD' tab say?

 

 

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36 minutes ago, _Grid21 said:

 

Memory slot 2 http://prntscr.com/llvr92

Memory slot 4 http://prntscr.com/llvrfz

 

Also please note I have NEVER done manual OC on memory. My goal isn't to run crazy fast ram, but to have the ram run at its designed speed as posted on the box for the product. 

 

Those look like AUTO settings to me.

Did you try changing the timings manually, and setting the DRAM voltage to 1.35V ?

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Just now, -rascal- said:

 

Those look like AUTO settings to me.

Did you try changing the timings manually, and setting the DRAM voltage to 1.35V ?

I don't know how or where in that bios to do it, all the menus are so confusing and I am kinda scared to change anything with it. So I don't know where to begin.

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11 minutes ago, _Grid21 said:

I don't know how or where in that bios to do it, all the menus are so confusing and I am kinda scared to change anything with it. So I don't know where to begin.

 

What?!

You bought a ROG STriX board, and you don't know how to use the Powa?!

C'mon!!

 

Basic UEFI overview:

 

  1. 18 seconds of the video -- set DRAM Frequency to DDR4-2933MHz
  2. 18 seconds of the video -- set DRAM Voltage to 1.3500
  3. 35 seconds of the video -- go into the DRAM Timing Control menu
    1. Change DRAM CAS# Latency to 16
    2. Change Trcdrd to 16
    3. Change DRAM RAS# PRE Time to 16
    4. Change DRAM RAS# ACT Time to 36
    5. Change Trc to 70
  4. Save settings and Exit.

 

I'm surprised DOCP didn't work...though...

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Just now, -rascal- said:

 

What?!

You bought a ROG STriX board, and you don't know how to use the Powa?!

C'mon!!

 

Basic UEFI overview:

 

  1. 18 seconds of the video -- set DRAM Frequency to DDR4-2933MHz
  2. 18 seconds of the video -- set DRAM Voltage to 1.3500
  3. 35 seconds of the video -- go into the DRAM Timing Control menu
    1. Change DRAM CAS# Latency to 16
    2. Change Trcdrd to 16
    3. Change DRAM RAS# PRE Time to 16
    4. Change DRAM RAS# ACT Time to 36
  4. Save settings and Exit.

I bought this bought mainly because of how the PCIe x16 slots weren't shared in 2 lanes since I am a streamer and use a capture card for consoles and a 980Ti for games. The other question is, how will this affect my Ryzen 2 2700 since it's a none "X" version?

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3 minutes ago, _Grid21 said:

I bought this bought mainly because of how the PCIe x16 slots weren't shared in 2 lanes since I am a streamer and use a capture card for consoles and a 980Ti for games. The other question is, how will this affect my Ryzen 2 2700 since it's a none "X" version?

Well see in this video, I saw he enabled DOCP, but when I enabled DOCP, I ran into memory issues unless the voltage wasn't high enough?

 

EDIT: and this was on some G.Skill Trident-z Ram as mentioned above.

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7 minutes ago, _Grid21 said:

I bought this bought mainly because of how the PCIe x16 slots weren't shared in 2 lanes since I am a streamer and use a capture card for consoles and a 980Ti for games. The other question is, how will this affect my Ryzen 2 2700 since it's a none "X" version?

 

non-X and X have no impact.

In simple terms, 2700X has higher stock clock (3.2 vs 3.7 GHz), and boosts higher (4.1 vs 4.3 GHz).

Due to the higher speed out-of-the-box, the CPU is rated at 105W TDP vs 65W for the 2700...so you also get a beefer CPU cooler.

 

If you are doing to do any manual overclocking, it would end up being exactly the same -- you *might* be able to push the 2700X 0.1 or 0.2 GHz further.

 

It could be that the voltage is too low.

Your memory kit is rated for 2933 MHz with 1.35V, as verified in the 'SPD' tab in the Timing Table.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

non-X and X have no impact.

In simple terms, 2700X has higher stock clock (3.2 vs 3.7 GHz), and boosts higher (4.1 vs 4.3 GHz).

Due to the higher speed out-of-the-box, the CPU is rated at 105W TDP vs 65W for the 2700...so you also get a beefer CPU cooler.

 

If you are doing to do any manual overclocking, it would end up being exactly the same -- you *might* be able to push the 2700X 0.1 or 0.2 GHz further.

 

It could be that the voltage is too low.

Your memory kit is rated for 2933 MHz with 1.35V, as verified in the 'SPD' tab in the Timing Table.

 

 

Yeah and the really odd part is, when I went to go "test" enable DOCP, it showed the exact memory timing, unless something else failed? I am almost tempted to go back, re-enable DOCP and use a different memory tester instead of MemTest86. I wonder if it gave me a false positive of being unstable?

 

EDIT: You know what, I had an older version of Memtet86, there is a newer one that's also designed to work with XMP profile ram. I wonder if the older version of memtest didn't know what to do with DOCP/XMP ram. Also, I had this version when DDR3 was still around and before DDR4. Is that possible?

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12 minutes ago, _Grid21 said:

Yeah and the really odd part is, when I went to go "test" enable DOCP, it showed the exact memory timing, unless something else failed? I am almost tempted to go back, re-enable DOCP and use a different memory tester instead of MemTest86. I wonder if it gave me a false positive of being unstable?

 

Did you do any stability testing other then MemTest86?

Did you do any testing with synthetic benchmarks, games, etc?

If the memory is unstable, you would catch it pretty quick.

 

Also note that motherboards have a self-learning / self-training feature.

If it fails, let is reboot / re-try a few times before setting it back to default.

This is not just on Intel, AMD as well.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3333-memory-timings-defined-cas-latency-trcd-trp-tras

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What Is Memory Training & How to Train Memory?

So, when it comes down to it, RAM doesn’t set its own frequency and timings--the BIOS does, with SPD/XMP as a starting point. On Intel boards, this element of the BIOS is called the MRC. This is one area where board manufacturers can secure an advantage in performance, because the sheer variety of RAM and the differences between Samsung, Micron, and Hynix chips make tertiary timings hideously complex to adjust. Memory and board manufacturers can work together to bake-in optimal timings for popular kits, but for the most part these are determined (if left on auto) during POST, where they should remain unchanged unless there are boot failures.

 

Memory training can appear as a black art to casual overclockers, where RAM can be magically “broken in” by repeatedly forcing boot failures until an unstable OC becomes stable enough for benchmarks. What’s actually happening is that the IMC will try a variety of settings in an attempt to stabilize the system (not all of them timings). On the user end, it can feel like trying to solve a jigsaw puzzle by shaking the box, but it works. This is an important point even for non-overclockers: if memory isn’t stable with XMP, allow the system to reboot a few times before giving up.

 

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21 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

Did you do any stability testing other then MemTest86?

Did you do any testing with synthetic benchmarks, games, etc?

If the memory is unstable, you would catch it pretty quick.

 

Also note that motherboards have a self-learning / self-training feature.

If it fails, let is reboot / re-try a few times before setting it back to default.

This is not just on Intel, AMD as well.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3333-memory-timings-defined-cas-latency-trcd-trp-tras

 

Basically no, I only did a memtest86 on it. I am gonna go reboot my PC, turn on DOCP with and run the newer version of memtest86 overnight and do other benchmarks when i come home. 

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2 minutes ago, _Grid21 said:

Basically no, I only did a memtest86 on it. I am gonna go reboot my PC, turn on DOCP with and run the newer version of memtest86 overnight and do other benchmarks when i come home. 

 

Alright, sounds good.

Keep us updated.

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6 hours ago, -rascal- said:

 

Alright, sounds good.

Keep us updated.

Ran Memtest86 for 6 hours and it came up clean. Ran TimeSpy, basic edition, that came up clean, was gonna try Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark next.

EDIT 1: Shadow of the Tomb Raider came out clean. Running the a "booted into OS" Version of memtest inside the windows 10 environment. Going to run that while I am gone for the day, will let you know results when I come home. The timings and voltage are set to it's designed box speed now. I thought it'd be good to run a windows version of Memtest since that's the most amount of time I'll be in. xD

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3 hours ago, _Grid21 said:

Ran Memtest86 for 6 hours and it came up clean. Ran TimeSpy, basic edition, that came up clean, was gonna try Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark next.

EDIT 1: Shadow of the Tomb Raider came out clean. Running the a "booted into OS" Version of memtest inside the windows 10 environment. Going to run that while I am gone for the day, will let you know results when I come home. The timings and voltage are set to it's designed box speed now. I thought it'd be good to run a windows version of Memtest since that's the most amount of time I'll be in. xD

 

Good news to far.

This was with DOCP enabled, and voltage set to 1.35V ?

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