2700/x vs 8700k

[Nik_]

Looking for good gaming performance with a good future of high performance, and the ability to stream/record/do vfx if I so choose, while trying to save as many Canadian pesos as I can. 

So far the things I've kind of picked out are 

AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $409.99

Asus - ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ~$165.99 < matches my gpu and looks good imo

I haven't quite decided on ram. I was maybe thinking RGB TridentZ 16gb 3000 but there are more than likely better options. 

 

So I'm looking for suggestions as to whether I should go with a different cpu. 8700k, 2700, even 2600x, and suggestions on ram. I'd like to keep the price around what it is now or lower($750-800 before tax) which is pushing me away from intel as the cpu is already more and I'd need to buy a cooler. 

 

Thanks

 

didn't want to make another one of these with so many out there but I also didn't want to steal someones thread. 

[Cereal5]

I'd go with the 2700, since it's the same chip, cheaper and you can just do a mild OC. RAM for Ryzen is usually recommended at 2933-3200 MHz, so you got that covered.

[Nik_]

3 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

I'd go with the 2700, since it's the same chip, cheaper and you can just do a mild OC. RAM for Ryzen is usually recommended at 2933-3200 MHz, so you got that covered.

how does the stock cooler handle mild OC's. I currently don't have the money for a cooler and most of the coolers I'm interested in buying require me to also buy a new case(no space for a rad, or very minimal rad space, and not deep enough for some air tower coolers). A 120mm aio MIGHT fit but tightly. This is what I get for trying to budget so hard when I first upgraded without thinking about it. 

[Nik_]

5 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

hmmmm... it all depends on what do you want to do with it, if you are on a budget FORGET about extreme performance and focus on what will do for 2 years

do you plan on gaming? then go for the 2600X and save up to 100 bucks, even the 2600 will do

get the 2600, the RX 580 8GB forr around $200 (USD), get 2x8GB 3000MHz RAM

that motherboard is expensive for a B series, tho

keep in mind that with that hardware you could OC it, or sell it in 2 years for the new Ryzen, and the stock CPU cooler is nice for a while

I suggest you to create a budget build and if you have money left, pick better hardware

I already have a GPU. I bought a second hand 1080ti, so I'm also trying to un-bottleneck it and not have to upgrade for at least 2-3, maybe 4 years. I do and don't have a budget as I have to money but don't want to just spend it cause I have it. My plan was to get a decent-good cpu/mobo/ram and in a few weeks or w/e get a case and cpu cooler and be set for years to come. wdym by "its an expensive b series" is the b series like the lower end model/series? What would you suggest for mobo? When looking at mobo's I just look for 4 ram slots(just in case) and decent looks, with an ok price. The ability to OC is good to have since they are unlocked cpus

[xg32]

for any1 that HAS to build a ryzen system now, get a 2600, and wait for zen 2.

[mayonnaiseblackhole]

The "X" processors just are not nearly as good a deal as their stranded counterparts. The motherboard looks good. RAM is personal preference. Get a Ryzen 5 if you think streaming is all you will do. Get a Ryzen 7 if there is any other enthusiast task you want to do. There are low profile coolers.

[Nik_]

1 minute ago, DustierDolphin said:

The "X" processors just are not nearly as good a deal as their stranded counterparts. The motherboard looks good. RAM is personal preference. Get a Ryzen 5 if you think streaming is all you will do. Get a Ryzen 7 if there is any other enthusiast task you want to do. There are low profile coolers.

Things i've done/tried in the past have been adobe after effects, streaming, and that sort of thing. I'm not doing any big 3d rendering or anything. So if a 2600/x can keep up with a 1080ti and give me good fps in games like BO4, and r6 then I might go for it. I know there are LP coolers but to go along with my current "goal" I want to get something good that I wont feel backed into a corner with in a year. If I had spent more the first time I could be done or just buying a cpu with no second thought so that's kind of what I want now, the ability to either perform well till the system needs upgraded anyway or have the ability to upgrade without replacing a bunch of parts. 

[mayonnaiseblackhole]

3 minutes ago, Nik_ said:

Things i've done/tried in the past have been adobe after effects, streaming, and that sort of thing. I'm not doing any big 3d rendering or anything. So if a 2600/x can keep up with a 1080ti and give me good fps in games like BO4, and r6 then I might go for it. I know there are LP coolers but to go along with my current "goal" I want to get something good that I wont feel backed into a corner with in a year. If I had spent more the first time I could be done or just buying a cpu with no second thought so that's kind of what I want now, the ability to either perform well till the system needs upgraded anyway or have the ability to upgrade without replacing a bunch of parts. 

If you can wait for Zen 2, it should be quite a bit more powerful.

[Nik_]

2 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

B series is not as good as X series, and for that price you'd expect to get one of those

 

I might go with an x, what kind of performance changes are there? all of this also depends on if prices change any more when companies adjust live prices for BF and CM

[Nik_]

Just now, DustierDolphin said:

If you can wait for Zen 2, it should be quite a bit more powerful.

I definitely need an upgrade now as I'm rocking a i5 4430 i've had since ~2013. will zen 2 share the same socket? if so I might go with a 2600 and either get a nicer mobo or ram or use the money to get a case or AIO so I'm getting better performance and am able to upgrade when zen 2 is released.  

[mayonnaiseblackhole]

1 minute ago, Nik_ said:

I might go with an x, what kind of performance changes are there? all of this also depends on if prices change any more when companies adjust live prices for BF and CM

He is talking about motherboards. X470 normaly has better VRMs and more features but it is up to you if they are worth it. For the processors, the "X" just is a higher clocked one with a beefier cooler. They both overclock to slimier performance.

[mayonnaiseblackhole]

1 minute ago, Nik_ said:

I definitely need an upgrade now as I'm rocking a i5 4430 i've had since ~2013. will zen 2 share the same socket? if so I might go with a 2600 and either get a nicer mobo or ram or use the money to get a case or AIO so I'm getting better performance and am able to upgrade when zen 2 is released.  

Don't buy something you will just upgrade in a year - it wont be enough of a difference for you to care.

[Nik_]

Just now, DustierDolphin said:

He is talking about motherboards. X470 normaly has better VRMs and more features but it is up to you if they are worth it. For the processors, the "X" just is a higher clocked one with a beefier cooler. They both overclock to slimier performance.

I knew he was talking about mobo's. so the x470 and 370 are better for overclocking? 

[maartendc]

5 minutes ago, Nik_ said:

Things i've done/tried in the past have been adobe after effects, streaming, and that sort of thing. I'm not doing any big 3d rendering or anything. So if a 2600/x can keep up with a 1080ti and give me good fps in games like BO4, and r6 then I might go for it. I know there are LP coolers but to go along with my current "goal" I want to get something good that I wont feel backed into a corner with in a year. If I had spent more the first time I could be done or just buying a cpu with no second thought so that's kind of what I want now, the ability to either perform well till the system needs upgraded anyway or have the ability to upgrade without replacing a bunch of parts. 

 

12 minutes ago, Nik_ said:

I do and don't have a budget as I have to money but don't want to just spend it cause I have it. My plan was to get a decent-good cpu/mobo/ram and in a few weeks or w/e get a case and cpu cooler and be set for years to come.

I hear you man. I see all these people spend like $2000-$3000 on a PC.. sure, I have the money sitting in the bank, but it is not exactly necessary. A $1000 PC will do just fine, better value for your money.

 

I am in the same boat as you, trying to un-bottleneck my 980Ti (yeah i5 CPU... dont ask). I am buying the 2600X. Seems to be the best bang for the buck right now. If you want to OC, the Ryzen 2600 is a good choice as well. 2600X will do fine in games for the next 2-3 years for sure, probably longer.

 

For your use case, 2600X is likely fine, but the 2700X would be better if you really are serious about Streaming, because of the 2 extra cores. Otherwise, not needed imo.

 

Also Ryzen will have a way better upgrade path with Zen2 coming out next year. All the current AMD motherboards will support it.

 

Good luck!

[mayonnaiseblackhole]

Just now, Nik_ said:

I knew he was talking about mobo's. so the x470 and 370 are better for overclocking? 

Somewhat. Mainly for extreme overclocking. If you ever want to do SLI you will need one.

[Nik_]

1 minute ago, DustierDolphin said:

Don't buy something you will just upgrade in a year - it wont be enough of a difference for you to care.

So a zen 1 2700x vs a zen 2 2700x or w/e they go with wont have enough of a difference to make it worth the effort of buying "low" now and again when zen 2 comes out? will zen 1, 2, and 3 all have the same socket, because i could still go with a 2600/x, OC, and use it until zen 3

[maartendc]

2 minutes ago, Nik_ said:

I knew he was talking about mobo's. so the x470 and 370 are better for overclocking? 

not necessarily.. B450 boards can overclock just fine. Depends on the board and power delivery. There are some very good B450 motherboards out there that OC really well. I hear the MSI B450 Tomahawk is a good one. For Mini ITX, I am going with the Asrock B450 Fatality ITX.

[maartendc]

4 minutes ago, Nik_ said:

So a zen 1 2700x vs a zen 2 2700x or w/e they go with wont have enough of a difference to make it worth the effort of buying "low" now and again when zen 2 comes out? will zen 1, 2, and 3 all have the same socket, because i could still go with a 2600/x, OC, and use it until zen 3

Zen 2 coming out in 2019 will have the same socket. IIRC AMD said they will support AM4 until 2020, but I don't know if they will release another CPU for AM4 after Zen 2 next year.

 

Nobody knows how big the gains will be. They are going to 7nm, so likely the CPUs will gain single core performance / clock speed. But I would guess no more than 20% improvement, if that. So it wont exactly make your current CPU obsolete.

 

If you want to be more "future proof" get the 2700X, 8 cores will likely last you longer than 6 cores, when that eventually becomes the norm.

[Nik_]

4 minutes ago, maartendc said:

 

For your use case, 2600X is likely fine, but the 2700X would be better if you really are serious about Streaming, because of the 2 extra cores. Otherwise, not needed imo.

 

 

1 minute ago, maartendc said:

Zen 2 coming out in 2019 will have the same socket. IRRC AMD said they will support AM4 until 2020, but I don't know if they will release another CMU for AM4 after Zen 2 next year.

 

If you want to be more "future proof" get the 2700X, 8 cores will likely last you longer than 6 cores, when that eventually becomes the norm.

Im gonna look at some more benchmarks and look around at more mobos. Hopefully there are some more price drops when Bf and CM hit. Thanks for all the replies and info. Depending on what I find I'll probably go with a 2700 unless the 2600 shows good performance for what I want. 

[Nik_]

2 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

X series usually get better VRM and overall quality, and the possibility of crossfire/SLI, also there are double PCIe lanes, more SATAs... Etc, like the Z series of Intel, you can go for one of those I mentioned you, or go with the one you like, the almost unique difference is cosmetic

And for the CPU, the overall performance between 2600(X) and 2700(X) is almost the same. The X ones get better overclocking, but you could go fine with a non X if you don't plan to OC it to the limit. Also, would you pay the hundred extra of the 2700(X) for an average of 6 fps more? If yes, then go for the 2700(X), if no, stick to the 2600 and save for a future upgrade (maybe 2-3 years, depending on the 2600 used market and the Ryzem 2/3 prices).

after looking at more benchmarks I'm probably going to go with a 2600 or 2600x, id like the extra cores but wont need them, the 2600 seems to handle streaming quite well at decent rates, i can then use the extra $150-$200 saved for a AIO and/or a case which would allow me to OC. do you know what kind of speeds people have gotten with AIO's on the 2600 vs 2600x? I'm thinking about getting a 280mm nzxt AIO but might change and go with a 140mm or something

[Nik_]

Just slapping everything into PCpartpicker. Getting this error 

Some AMD X370 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Pinnacle Ridge CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

this is with the Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard mobo and 2600, will this be an issue? since i obviously dont have another am4 chip to put in the mobo if it needs updated

[Nik_]

also, any suggestions on AIO's I was gonna go with the nzxt one but it's expensive and I want to vertically mount my gpu so it would mostly be covered anyway. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$223.46 @ Amazon Canada
CPU Cooler	Corsair - H55 57 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$79.99 @ Amazon Canada
CPU Cooler	NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$0.00
Motherboard	Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard	$189.99 @ Newegg Canada
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$159.99 @ Amazon Canada
Video Card	Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB STRIX GAMING Video Card	Purchased For $0.00
Case	NZXT - H500i (White) ATX Mid Tower Case	$129.99 @ Canada Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$783.42
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-19 20:50 EST-0500

this is what ive got so far. i left the nzxt cooler just to have it there in case. I do want a nice cooler, but i also dont want to spend the extra $100+the tax, right now at least. 

 

[nick name]

11 minutes ago, Nik_ said:

also, any suggestions on AIO's I was gonna go with the nzxt one but it's expensive and I want to vertically mount my gpu so it would mostly be covered anyway. 

What size radiator can you fit?

[Nik_]

1 minute ago, nick name said:

What size radiator can you fit?

in my current case, 120mm, in the h500i, not sure, looking rn, 120 also i think

 

edit: yea top and rear on the h500i are both 120mm

[nick name]

Just now, Nik_ said:

in my current case, 120mm, in the h500i, not sure, looking rn, 120 also i think

 

edit: yea top and rear on the h500i are both 120mm

Then I saw a cheap price on the EVGA CLC 120.  See what Canadian pricing is for that.