PC not working as it supposed to be for 3 years

[Ciupz]

woop

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Ciupz said:

 

If it's not software are you sure your machine just isn't overheating?

[Zmax]

Up memory to at least 16g frame will improve

[TheReal_ist]

5 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

If it's not software are you sure your machine just isn't overheating?

 

6 minutes ago, Ciupz said:

So, I have my rig for 3.5 years and it's always been the same. I couldn't ever figure out why or what caused it, and I stumbled upon this forum so I thought you guys might actually find a solution!
As a little explanation : When I first got my PC I saw that the fps was below expectations without really any reason. benchmarks were good, parts were new, got them from a big pc parts store.

 

 

I second this ones idea @Streetguru check the temps, voltage, fanspeed with MSI afterburner and then come back to us with your conclusion testing in multiple scenarios. 

 

Good luck and write down your info as well.

[Ciupz]

7 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

If it's not software are you sure your machine just isn't overheating?

 

1 minute ago, TheReal_ist said:

 

 

 

I second this ones idea @Streetguru check the temps, voltage, fanspeed with MSI afterburner and then come back to us with your conclusion testing in multiple scenarios. 

 

Good luck and write down your info as well.

I uploaded 2 imgur screenshots that I guess went unnocited, GPU 60*C and CPU 50*C is not overheating 

 

3 minutes ago, Zmax said:

Up memory to at least 16g frame will improve

Yeah man that always was an option but you cant tell me that with 8gb of ram KILLING FLOOR ONE would be running at 30 fps

[TheReal_ist]

1 minute ago, Ciupz said:

I uploaded 2 imgur screenshots that I guess went unnocited, GPU 60*C and CPU 50*C is not overheating 

 

Yeah man that always was an option but you cant tell me that with 8gb of ram KILLING FLOOR ONE would be running at 30 fps

Huh I'm stumped as well then, damn. That stinks mate.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Ciupz said:

 

8GBs of RAM is plenty for gaming

 

no idea what could be the issue then, maybe those games just run poorly?

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

I doubt anything related to temp affects it, 

its just a gtx 970 / i5 4460,

when overheating, they just go back to stock base clock, and not any lower.

I had an i5 2500 and stock cooler not installed properly and had idle temps at 80C for 2 years. I didnt notice performance drop.

same as my gtx970, clock doesnt do below 1342mhz when overheat

 

[Ciupz]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

8GBs of RAM is plenty for gaming

 

no idea what could be the issue then, maybe those games just run poorly?

so I played dozens of games over the years and every. single. one. of. them. was made poorly? I realllllllllllly dont think so. every mmo I ever played with this rig is laggy, not unplayable but laggy. 
I played goddamn LINEAGE2 a few months ago and I had low fps on the main town where they were many shops/ppl. lineage2

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, Ciupz said:

so I played dozens of games over the years and every. single. one. of. them. was made poorly? I realllllllllllly dont think so.

Then something is probably wrong with your GPU mostly assuming CPU scores are normal in like cinebench and whatever.

But there's really no cheap decent upgrade yet, unless you want a $200 RX 580 that comes with Resident Evil 2 remake and devil may cry 5

or for some strange reason your PSU is the issue, but that should cause crashing, not any performance issues.

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

do you think its the "new" gpu drivers again?

it has been reported some Nvidia drivers lowers performance of old gpu

[Ciupz]

Just now, Streetguru said:

Then something is probably wrong with your GPU mostly assuming CPU scores are normal in like cinebench and whatever.

But there's really no cheap decent upgrade yet, unless you want a $200 RX 580 that comes with Resident Evil 2 remake and devil may cry 5

or for some strange reason your PSU is the issue, but that should cause crashing, not any performance issues.

you say that the GPU is the problem, okay.
but let me show you my last benchmarks that I did 2 days ago : 

These were with userbenchmark. now, with 3D Mark : 

On both of them it says that my rig works either above expectations or it has a good score. how can I certainly say that it is the gpu then ?
 

[Ciupz]

2 minutes ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

do you think its the "new" gpu drivers again?

it has been reported some Nvidia drivers lowers performance of old gpu

I had an older driver up till now (390~), when I randomly updated my gpu out of curiosity. no difference

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, Ciupz said:

I had an older driver up till now (390~), when I randomly updated my gpu out of curiosity. no difference

No idea then, extremely rarely a failing hard drive may cause slow down but probably not for 3 years.

I suppose it could be the single channel RAM, but that shouldn't matter in most cases.

I would blame the GPU first since that's the thing that runs the games mostly...but if benchmarks are normal then I have no idea

[Ciupz]

mini update: I just checked my bios version, and it said that is the last one ( got @biosliveutility ). in case that any1 wanted to say that my bios needs an update.

[Ciupz]

bump

[Ace McPlane]

Are you maybe using your PC with a monitor/TV with a really low refresh rate?

How about the checking the refresh rate in your Nvidia control panel as well.

I had one system that would sometimes change the refresh rate to 30hz for some reason when I ran retro games and would not change back until I did it manually. You can find this setting right where the custom resolution options are in the nvidia control panel to the right of the box where you select resolutions.

[-rascal-]

Your scores seems to be a tiny bit low, comparing other Time Spy 1.0 results from other i5-4460 and GTX 970 users.

I am seeing CPU scores in the range of 2800 ~ 2900 for other i5-4460's.

You are only getting 2559.

 

GPU score looks okay.

That will vary a bit depending on the GPU Core and Memory clocks.

[Ciupz]

18 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

Your scores seems to be a tiny bit low, comparing other Time Spy 1.0 results from other i5-4460 and GTX 970 users.

I am seeing CPU scores in the range of 2800 ~ 2900 for other i5-4460's.

You are only getting 2559.

 

GPU score looks okay.

That will vary a bit depending on the GPU Core and Memory clocks.

so is it fair to say that I might've gotten unlucky with my cpu and it has a malfunction from the producer?

3 hours ago, stateofpsychosis said:

Are you maybe using your PC with a monitor/TV with a really low refresh rate?

How about the checking the refresh rate in your Nvidia control panel as well.

I had one system that would sometimes change the refresh rate to 30hz for some reason when I ran retro games and would not change back until I did it manually. You can find this setting right where the custom resolution options are in the nvidia control panel to the right of the box where you select resolutions.

I dont even wanna start man. if you dont read the post, dont reply. how would I not be aware of having a lower refresh rate monitor? ffs

[Ace McPlane]

9 minutes ago, Ciupz said:

so is it fair to say that I might've gotten unlucky with my cpu and it has a malfunction from the producer?

I dont even wanna start man. if you dont read the post, dont reply. how would I not be aware of having a lower refresh rate monitor? ffs

I don't make assumptions.

I've met many people who needed troubleshooting help who were using things like TV's instead of monitors and whatnot. I also gave you another tip there to check your Nvidia control panel to see if the refresh rate got halved like it does sometimes after running really old programs.

 

Anyways, I understand that you're frustrated, but no need to be rude.

With troubleshooting, 90% of the solutions are basic things like this so I would never be so quick to assume someone hasn't thought of something like that. All troubleshooters will run through a list of things starting with the most common, most simple suggestions. 

[-rascal-]

10 minutes ago, Ciupz said:

so is it fair to say that I might've gotten unlucky with my cpu and it has a malfunction from the producer?

 

It could be, but we don't know for sure at the moment.

 

What version motherboard BIOS are you using?

If your BIOS is very out-of-date, you may also try updating it.

Latest version for GA-B85M-D2V (rev 1.1) is BIOS F7 from August 21 2015.

 

UserBenchMark does not show the actual CPU frequency.

Run CPU-Z while in-game, and check the CPU speed -- upload s screenshot of CPU-Z, too, if you can.

The i5-4460 SHOULD run at 3.2 GHz, and boosts up to 3.4 GHz if temperature / workload allows.

If you see it dipping below ~3.2 GHz, something is wrong.

[Ciupz]

42 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

It could be, but we don't know for sure at the moment.

 

What version motherboard BIOS are you using?

If your BIOS is very out-of-date, you may also try updating it.

Latest version for GA-B85M-D2V (rev 1.1) is BIOS F7 from August 21 2015.

 

UserBenchMark does not show the actual CPU frequency.

Run CPU-Z while in-game, and check the CPU speed -- upload s screenshot of CPU-Z, too, if you can.

The i5-4460 SHOULD run at 3.2 GHz, and boosts up to 3.4 GHz if temperature / workload allows.

If you see it dipping below ~3.2 GHz, something is wrong.

in Maple Story 2. if its needed to be tested in other games I will, but I feel like one is enough.
Also, how can I check the current bios version ?

[-rascal-]

39 minutes ago, Ciupz said:

in Maple Story 2. if its needed to be tested in other games I will, but I feel like one is enough.
Also, how can I check the current bios version ?

 

Hmm... CPU-Z result looks okay there... 3.2 GHz, 4 cores, and 4 threads...

You can check the BIOS version, either in the BIOS menu itself, or the 'Mainboard' tab within CPU-Z.

[Ciupz]

18 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

Hmm... CPU-Z result looks okay there... 3.2 GHz, 4 cores, and 4 threads...

You can check the BIOS version, either in the BIOS menu itself, or the 'Mainboard' tab within CPU-Z.

this is the mainboard tab. so I guess the bios is outdated. if so, how do I update it? afaik if the update goes wrong, it screws up the whole system.

[-rascal-]

35 minutes ago, Ciupz said:

this is the mainboard tab. so I guess the bios is outdated. if so, how do I update it? afaik if the update goes wrong, it screws up the whole system.

 

You need to download the BIOS file, unzip it, and copy it onto a USB stick.

There should then be a BIOS updating/flashing menu within the BIOS.

 

99% of the time, if you do not accidentally power off the computer mid-way through a BIOS flash, you are completely safe.

It can take a few minutes to update the BIOS -- the progress bar can be not moving at certain points -- but just be patient.

 

The step-by-step instructions on how to update your BIOS should be in your motherboard user manual.

You can get the online / digital version of the manual here: 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-B85M-D2V-rev-30#support-dl-bios

 

Your motherboard has three different revisions... rev 1.1, 2.0, and 3.0.

Find out which on your board is; motherboard box should indicate it...or you can look directly on the motherboard itself