Console to PC Gamer Tips/Advice

[DemureGamer]

Short story:  I am getting back into building PC rigs and PC gaming after 13 years. I'm looking for people to give me some tips and advice, because it seems like a lot has changed. 

 

Full Story:  To start with, I have been in the Navy for over 13 years. I used to enjoy playing games on various platforms, including PC years ago.  Since I've been in, the easiest way to game was to use consoles. They're on every base, most ships can check them out to us with games, like a rental, but free. The thing is, there's no practical way to enjoy a PC gaming rig, while in the service.

 

A lot has changed, since I've built a PC and played PC games. Clearly, not much has changed in the assembly of a PC, but a lot of improvements have been made. 

 

I just want some tips/advice. One question I have is that a PS4 Pro has some sweet looking UHD games pushing 60 FPS, but I've seen benchmarks, recently, that show twice that, more or less, on PC gaming rigs. How much perceivable, as in real-life, detail and performance is there?  You can only see so much in a YouTube video, so some insight on that would be appreciated. Any other things you may want to offer, too help bring me back into the PC Gamer Master Race, would be greatly appreciated!

[Arika]

7 minutes ago, DemureGamer said:

too help bring me back into the PC Gamer Master Race

Firstly, don't use that term.

 

Secondly its all about what games you play as to what performance increases you're looking at and the hardware you're running.

[DemureGamer]

2 minutes ago, Arika S said:

Firstly, don't use that term.

 

Secondly its all about what games you play as to what performance increases you're looking at and the hardware you're running.

Sorry, I only used it because I'm currently a console gamer; and, like in the military, we use terms to poke a little fun at each other.  I didn't mean anything rude by it.

 

Thanks for your input.  I guess the things like the capabilities of displays have improved so much, that I'm unsure if there's any perceivable difference or if the manufacturers are giving us the placebo affect. 

[Dedayog]

8 minutes ago, Arika S said:

Firstly, don't use that term.

 

Secondly its all about what games you play as to what performance increases you're looking at and the hardware you're running.

This.  It's officially the UWMR.  UltraWide Master Race. 

 

Also, there aren't any tips/advice.  It's just building things with parts, some are better than others.  If you built before, this is 100% the same.

 

There's way too much info to just dump here, read the forums a bit and you'll catch up just fine.

[DemureGamer]

1 minute ago, jstudrawa said:

This.  It's officially the UWMR.  UltraWide Master Race. 

 

Also, there aren't any tips/advice.  It's just building things with parts, some are better than others.  If you built before, this is 100% the same.

 

There's way too much info to just dump here, read the forums a bit and you'll catch up just fine.

Yeah, I'm going through them as I can. Thank you. 

 

What does "Ultra Wide Master Race" mean?

[Speed Weed]

1 minute ago, DemureGamer said:

Yeah, I'm going through them as I can. Thank you. 

 

What does "Ultra Wide Master Race" mean?

Ultra Wide monitor. 

[Dedayog]

Just now, DemureGamer said:

Yeah, I'm going through them as I can. Thank you. 

 

What does "Ultra Wide Master Race" mean?

It means don't settle for lame 16:9 monitors (the regular size), but go with 21:9 ultra wides.  It's just the best gaming experience short of being in Ready Player One.  It's more expensive but it gets chicks and you go to a lot of celebrity events.  Even the White House.  We call it the Wide House, cuz Ultra Wides. 

 

Yeah,we're kind of a big deal.

 

Or we really just like wide monitors.  One of those.

[DemureGamer]

7 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

It means don't settle for lame 16:9 monitors (the regular size), but go with 21:9 ultra wides.  It's just the best gaming experience short of being in Ready Player One.  It's more expensive but it gets chicks and you go to a lot of celebrity events.  Even the White House.  We call it the Wide House, cuz Ultra Wides. 

 

Yeah,we're kind of a big deal.

 

Or we really just like wide monitors.  One of those.

I like it!  The monitor will be the last thing I upgrade.  My UHD TV can push 120hz, so that will serve as my monitor for a little while. 

[Keg Ops]

I recently got a 144hrtz monitor and I really enjoy it. It does make a noticeable difference in FPS games and even general usage, just keep in mind you'll want to make sure your hardware can take advantage of it. What is your budget? And what games would you play?

[Dedayog]

Just now, DemureGamer said:

I like it!  The monitor will be the last thing I upgrade.  My UHD TV can push 120hz, so that will serve as my monitor for a little while. 

Not the same as a 120Hz monitor, this is something you can research.  

 

But I'll accept a TV, since it's technically pretty wide.  

[DemureGamer]

Just now, Keg Ops said:

I recently got a 144hrtz monitor and I really enjoy it. It does make a noticeable difference in FPS games and even general usage, just keep in mind you'll want to make sure your hardware can take advantage of it. What is your budget? And what games would you play?

I'm flexible in my gaming. My favorite types combine FPS and RPG elements, but I like them separately, too. I also like the open world games like Assassin's Creed and hack and slash games, like God of War. 

[SolarNova]

Welcome back to the Glorious PCMR !  (yea i said ..deal with it :P )

 

There is most certainly a percevable difference.

1st and for most though, the advice your gunna get will depend on your budget for a build and what periferals you need.

 

Building a system for a 1080p monitor is easy and rather cheap , however as you hit 1440p and 4k, and high refresh rate varients, prices and systems specs skyrocket.

 

The only specific advise i can give without additional information would be to most certainly build the system yourself, you can save some money and ensure you get good components, not to mention it allows you to trouble shoot, maintain, and upgrade the system using the skills you used to build it in the 1st place.

Dont fall into the trap asuming that watercooling using a AIO closed loop cooler is better than air cooling, for the most part they are not better, just more compact, if u can avoid using one, do so, they just add in points of failure.

 

EDIT: A UHD TV that accepts true 120hz input will only be able to display 1080p at 120hz, 4k will be 60hz.

[DemureGamer]

2 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Not the same as a 120Hz monitor, this is something you can research.  

 

But I'll accept a TV, since it's technically pretty wide.  

I understand. I'm sure it'll be enough until I can do better. I may have flexibility in finances, but I care more about the core system, at this point. 

[DemureGamer]

1 minute ago, SolarNova said:

Welcome back to the Glorious PCMR !  (yea i said ..deal with it )

 

There is most certainly a percevable difference.

1st and for most though, the advice your gunna get will depend on your budget for a build and what periferals you need.

 

Building a system for a 1080p monitor is easy and rather cheap , however as you hit 1440p and 4k, and high refresh rate varients, prices and systems specs skyrocket.

 

The only specific advise i can give without additional information would be to most certainly build the system yourself, you can save some money and ensure you get good components, not to mention it allows you to trouble shoot, maintain, and upgrade the system using the skills you used to build it in the 1st place.

Dont fall into the trap asuming that watercooling using a AIO closed loop cooler is better than air cooling, for the most part they are not better, just more compact, if u can avoid using one, do so, they just add in points of failure.

 

EDIT: A UHD TV that accepts true 120hz input will only be able to display 1080p at 120hz, 4k will be 60hz.

I'm waiting for the BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro TR4 cooler, so I'm with you on the air cooling thing.

 

I think you may be right about the 60hz on the TV for 4K, but I don't think I'll be able to find a decent true UHD monitor at a reasonable price while I'm still building my rig. The rig itself comes first, and I'll just make do with what I have for the time being. Still, the ultra wide monitors look sweet!

[SolarNova]

1 minute ago, DemureGamer said:

I'm waiting for the BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro TR4 cooler, so I'm with you on the air cooling thing.

 

I think you may be right about the 60hz on the TV for 4K, but I don't think I'll be able to find a decent true UHD monitor at a reasonable price while I'm still building my rig. The rig itself comes first, and I'll just make do with what I have for the time being. Still, the ultra wide monitors look sweet!

Hit us up with a location and budget and we can start posting sugested builds using pcpartpicker

[DemureGamer]

Just now, SolarNova said:

Hit us up with a location and budget and we can start posting sugested builds using pcpartpicker

I'm using that. I'm stuck at the GPU, since the one I wanted isn't available right now.  I'm willing to share you with what I've put together so far. I already purchased the case, too. 

[SolarNova]

Well if your looking at 4k gaming imo the only 2 choices are a 1080ti/2080 or a 2080ti .. the 2080ti imo is way to expensive for what it is so 1080ti or 2080 (effectivly the same) is the way to go.

[DemureGamer]

7 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Well if your looking at 4k gaming imo the only 2 choices are a 1080ti/2080 or a 2080ti .. the 2080ti imo is way to expensive for what it is so 1080ti or 2080 (effectivly the same) is the way to go.

Here's my list so far. It doesn't have the CPU cooler on it, because it's not sold here yet. Also, the case I bought IS compatible, so the part picker site is wrong on that part. My Build (This hopefully fixed the link.)

Edited November 16, 2018 by DemureGamer

[Dedayog]

Just now, DemureGamer said:

Here's my list so far. It doesn't have the CPU cooler on it, because it's not sold here yet. Also, the case I bought IS compatible, so the part picker site is wrong on that part.My Build

You're not a master at links

 

It's taking us to this thread.

[DemureGamer]

1 minute ago, jstudrawa said:

You're not a master at links

 

It's taking us to this thread.

I think it's fixed. Thanks!

[Dedayog]

3 minutes ago, DemureGamer said:

I think it's fixed. Thanks!

It is, but a couple things:

 

1.  Don't need Threadripper for gaming.  Ryzen 7 or 8700K is my recommendation.

2.  That PSU is way way overkill.  I run 650w on OC'd CPU and GPU in my sig just fine.

3.  Uhm, that case is expensive holy shit.

4.  Could even go Sata M.2 for basically the same performance (860 EVO).  NVMe really shines in content creation, not gaming.

 

You could really just spend half that for a faster system.  Other builds incoming...

[DemureGamer]

Just now, jstudrawa said:

It is, but a couple things:

 

1.  Don't need Threadripper for gaming.  Ryzen 7 or 8700K is my recommendation.

2.  That PSU is way way overkill.  I run 650w on OC'd CPU and GPU in my sig just fine.

3.  Uhm, that case is expensive holy shit.

I know the Threadripper is overkill, but I'm getting the TR4 for longevity. I can see that this is the direction they're moving; and, as long as it takes only a BIOS update to move up to the next generation for some years to come, that will be worth it to me. 

 

Yeah, I already own the PSU. It's sweet!  I didn't know how much I'd be adding to the system, so I figured I'd rather have too much than not enough. 

 

I already purchased the case. When I watched one of Linus' videos that was a build in the predecessor of this one, which was the C700P, I was sold!

[Dedayog]

Just now, DemureGamer said:

I know the Threadripper is overkill, but I'm getting the TR4 for longevity. I can see that this is the direction they're moving; and, as long as it takes only a BIOS update to move up to the next generation for some years to come, that will be worth it to me. 

 

Yeah, I already own the PSU. It's sweet!  I didn't know how much I'd be adding to the system, so I figured I'd rather have too much than not enough. 

 

I already purchased the case. When I watched one of Linus' videos that was a build in the predecessor of this one, which was the C700P, I was sold!

No, Ryzen is their consumer path, TR is their content creation path.  There isn't a benefit for a slower yet more core CPU for gaming.  You want high clock speeds as well as cores, hence the 2700X and 8700K (or 9900K if you're willing).  TR does NOT perform on par with those others in gaming.  More cores does not make more gaming.

 

 

[DemureGamer]

1 minute ago, jstudrawa said:

No, Ryzen is their consumer path, TR is their content creation path.  There isn't a benefit for a slower yet more core CPU for gaming.  You want high clock speeds as well as cores, hence the 2700X and 8700K (or 9900K if you're willing).  TR does NOT perform on par with those others in gaming.  More cores does not make more gaming.

 

 

Thank you for that!  Okay, so how about upgradability?  Is the consumer Ryzen generations capable of upgrading to the next via BIOS upgrade, similar to the TR?

[SolarNova]

@DemureGamer

 

IMO this is somthign you should consider. Using the PSu and Case u already have ofcourse.

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($399.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($84.43 @ Newegg Business)
Motherboard: MSI - MPG Z390 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($146.47 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3400 Memory  ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($219.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card  ($749.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - COSMOS C700M ATX Full Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1735.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-16 09:42 EST-0500

 

I wouldnt worry about the CPU in regards to upgradability. It will last a very long time. Im still using a 2nd generation intel i series for example (sandybridge 3930k)