Core speed or more cores ?

[Turtle Rig]

Im still trying to understand this.  Is it better to have say a 9900k 8 core or a 7980XE 18 core ?  I run a DAW and my projects are hitting near 100 percent with all cores.  Now imagine if I had 12 more cores.  I could run more tracks and plugins.  Where the 9900k would just bonk out at 8 core. Now I know the 9900k is faster then the 7980XE on single core speed, but for someone like me I need more cores over speed I think.  What do you all think ?

[Jurrunio]

so research on whether your software can use that many cores first, and also whether Ryzen take performance hit despite the core count for some reason.

[Turtle Rig]

I just don't think its a wise upgrade for me to go to a 9900k because what I do depends on cores really and not speed of cores.  Its not like Im playing a game.  Im producing music... So ya Im in a lock down situation.  My mobo is busted I get black screen ,,, no signal and reboots and there isn't a darn thing I can do about it I even did bios defaults.

When I flashed my old 760 GTX Bios this sh*T started.  sighs

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

so research on whether your software can use that many cores first, and also whether Ryzen take performance hit despite the core count for some reason.

Yes, lots of people using Sonar with dual xeon CPU's something like 48 cores and in the program it shows the usage of all 48 cores.  So ya,  Hans Zimmer recently switched over from MAC ,, Logic Pro X   to PC Sonar Platinum and he has like 384GB of RAM I think and a xeon dual I believe system.

[KarathKasun]

If your workload is that core heavy and your budget can stretch up that far, id say to go for Threadripper 2990WX or actual workstation grade hardware with dual sockets.

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Yes, lots of people using Sonar with dual xeon CPU's something like 48 cores and in the program it shows the usage of all 48 cores.  So ya,  Hans Zimmer recently switched over from MAC ,, Logic Pro X   to PC Sonar Platinum and he has like 384GB of RAM I think and a xeon dual I believe system.

Just now, KarathKasun said:

If your workload is that core heavy and you budget can stretch up that far, id say to go for Threadripper 2990WX or actual workstation grade hardware with dual sockets.

Can't find much about Sonar on Ryzen  the problem seems to be I/O speed, which Ryzen really suffers from. Fast memory helps, just not sure by how much and whether that's enough to compete with Intel.

 

From what I can check, the 14 core 7940X has the best core count to price ratio. If you can't spend $1200 on a CPU (and also $500 for RAM and motherboard), then 8700k (because 9900k is very difficult to buy) is a decent lower cost choice. While still 6 cores only as your 4930k, the IPC gain is pretty big from Ivy Bridge-E

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Can't find much about Sonar on Ryzen  the problem seems to be I/O speed, which Ryzen really suffers from. Fast memory helps, just not sure by how much and whether that's enough to compete with Intel.

 

From what I can check, the 14 core 7940X has the best core count to price ratio. If you can't spend $1200 on a CPU (and also $500 for RAM and motherboard), then 8700k (because 9900k is very difficult to buy) is a decent lower cost choice. While still 6 cores only as your 4930k, the IPC gain is pretty big from Ivy Bridge-E

Thanks much for your response Jurrunio, you are very smart.  Oh and nice Rig.  Heres the thing my mobo is busted so as soon as my PC is not functional I will jump in and upgrade.  ThreadRipper 32core 64 threads sound juicy.  But no offense to AMD owners I would like to go with Intel.  But doh!!! theres is 18 core and AMD is 32 ,,, wtf is Intel doing, AMD lately is thrashing them.

[KarathKasun]

Just now, Turtle Rig said:

Thanks much for your response Jurrunio, you are very smart.  Oh and nice Rig.  Heres the thing my mobo is busted so as soon as my PC is not functional I will jump in and upgrade.  ThreadRipper 32core 64 threads sound juicy.  But no offense to AMD owners I would like to go with Intel.  But doh!!! theres is 18 core and AMD is 32 ,,, wtf is Intel doing, AMD lately is thrashing them.

In the high end space they really are.  Consumer side, not so much.  Check to see if there is anyone using such a setup for the software you use to verify your choice though.

[DailyProcrastinator]

This may have been stated already but if the applications you are working on benefit from multi-core performance over single core, and are utilizing a 16 core CPU then why not look at a threadripper CPU? Makes way more sense and costs a hell lot less than anything from Intel in the same pro-sumer market space.

[KarathKasun]

Interesting info here...

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1167159-ryzen-threadripper.html?s=36c62d009faff05bd6ff0a868342bb21

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, JM21 said:

This may have been stated already but if the applications you are working on benefit from multi-core performance over single core, and are utilizing a 16 core CPU then why not look at a threadripper CPU? Makes way more sense and costs a hell lot less than anything from Intel in the same pro-sumer market space.

Yes yes, Ive been following the ThreadRipper 32core, but Im hearing bad things as far as single core experience a Intel is faster.  How much is the motherboard avg cost for the 32core CPU ? 

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Yes yes, Ive been following the ThreadRipper 32core, but Im hearing bad things as far as single core experience a Intel is faster.  How much is the motherboard avg cost for the 32core CPU ? 

Same as 16 core Threadripper's motherboard, unless you look to overclocking.

[KarathKasun]

5 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Yes yes, Ive been following the ThreadRipper 32core, but Im hearing bad things as far as single core experience a Intel is faster.  How much is the motherboard avg cost for the 32core CPU ? 

Expect ~$350 for a fully featured board.

 

More data specifically on the 2990WX.

http://www.scanproaudio.info/2018/08/24/threadrippers-2990wx-2950x-on-the-bench-just-a-little-bit-of-history-repeating/

Its good if you dont need super tiny buffers.  If you are normally in the 256-512 buffer range, the 2990WX pounds through DAW work.  At 64 or 128 buffer sizes its performance falls off quite a bit.

[Turtle Rig]

7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Same as 16 core Threadripper's motherboard, unless you look to overclocking.

Oh heck ya I want to OC the living daylights out of it.  What is the maximum stable avg OC on that CPU,

[Turtle Rig]

7 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Expect ~$350 for a fully featured board.

 

More data specifically on the 2990WX.

http://www.scanproaudio.info/2018/08/24/threadrippers-2990wx-2950x-on-the-bench-just-a-little-bit-of-history-repeating/

Its good if you dont need super tiny buffers.  If you are normally in the 256-512 buffer range, the 2990WX pounds through DAW work.  At 64 or 128 buffer sizes its performance falls off quite a bit.

I just found this snippet.

 

the 2990WX might not prove all that interesting for audio due to the design layout of the cores and the limitations we’ve seen previously with memory addressing inside of studio-based systems.

 

So ThreadRipper is out of the question.

[Jurrunio]

8 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Oh heck ya I want to OC the living daylights out of it.  What is the maximum stable avg OC on that CPU,

max OC I've seen is 4.2GHz on 32 core, but you will need one of the top X399 motherboards like the MSI Creation.

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

max OC I've seen is 4.2GHz on 32 core, but you will need one of the top X399 motherboards like the MSI Creation.

Thank you sir, nice Rig btw.  Hmmmm I wanted to join the 5Ghz club lol. 

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Thank you sir, nice Rig btw.  Hmmmm I wanted to join the 5Ghz club lol. 

Prepare your money, because you'll need some really kickass cooling and motherboard to do that on Skylake-X. Even then, you still need lady luck's charm on getting a good CPU. A bad one won't even let you touch 4.8GHz on the 18 core no matter your cooling and motherboard, unless you go subambient with dry ice or liquid nitrogen, that is.

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Prepare your money, because you'll need some really kickass cooling and motherboard to do that on Skylake-X. Even then, you still need lady luck's charm on getting a good CPU. A bad one won't even let you touch 4.8GHz on the 18 core no matter your cooling and motherboard, unless you go subambient with dry ice or liquid nitrogen, that is.

Yes, I think I will pass on the 7980XE.    2k is a lot of money.  I think when its time to upgrade Im going to go the xeon route.  But I have a question.... Can you OC xeon .. or are you limited.  Will it OC like a 9900k OCes..  same gen ?  If Xeon cant OC, then its pointless to go that route.

[KarathKasun]

2 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Yes, I think I will pass on the 7980XE.    2k is a lot of money.  I think when its time to upgrade Im going to go the xeon route.  But I have a question.... Can you OC xeon .. or are you limited.  Will it OC like a 9900k OCes..  same gen ?  If Xeon cant OC, then its pointless to go that route.

No OC on Xeon.

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, KarathKasun said:

No OC on Xeon.

Thank you sir,  screw Xeon then.  I dont have time for a 2.6Ghz cpu LOL

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Thank you sir,  screw Xeon then.  I dont have time for a 2.6Ghz cpu LOL

Also Skylake-X Xeon need C chipset boards