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sterixir
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Hi there :)

I know the Title seem's a bit weird but hear me out...

initial situation: I have a Acer Gaming Laptop from 2015 (when first program was downloaded) with a 960 in it. The Problem is, that i want to upgrade because atm im pretty limited when it comes to "newer" games. I cant play PUBG (I know its badly optimised) & R6 for example (ca. 40 FPS even though i have everything on low...)  and so on... 

Now let's start with the Mother part if you haven't already gotten it. She thinks that a new Computer isn't necessary at all, because we bought it 2 Years ago and she had her IMac for already 6 and it still runs great...

So what do you think? Upgrade or just leave it? 


(If i would upgrade, then i would build a PC on my own so i could upgrade the Part's individually, because the only thing which leaks power is the 960 and i can't replace that because its a Laptop...) 

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Does your laptop have thunderbolt 3? If not, the 960m just isn't THAT strong anymore, and a desktop is always faster than a laptop

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3 minutes ago, sterixir said:

Hi there :)

I know the Title seem's a bit weird but hear me out...

initial situation: I have a Acer Gaming Laptop from 2015 (when first program was downloaded) with a 960 in it. The Problem is, that i want to upgrade because atm im pretty limited when it comes to "newer" games. I cant play PUBG (I know its badly optimised) & R6 for example (ca. 40 FPS even though i have everything on low...)  and so on... 

Now let's start with the Mother part if you haven't already gotten it. She thinks that a new Computer isn't necessary at all, because we bought it 2 Years ago and she had her IMac for already 6 and it still runs great...

So what do you think? Upgrade or just leave it? 


(If i would upgrade, then i would build a PC on my own so i could upgrade the Part's individually, because the only thing which leaks power is the 960 and i can't replace that because its a Laptop...) 

Never too early to build your own, so you can do exactly as you say.... upgrade individually over time.  Mom has a point tho, you just have desires for performance outside the normal user.  It's on you now.

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Just now, LukeSavenije said:

Does your laptop have thunderbolt 3? If not, the 960m just isn't THAT strong anymore, and a desktop is always faster than a laptop

No, otherwise i would have bought a thunderbolt 3 mini Gaming Card Box or whatever they're called... It has a USB C but i think its limited to Power because there is just a lightning symbol on it...

 

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Is it your money or hers?

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Just now, sterixir said:

No, otherwise i would have bought a thunderbolt 3 mini Gaming Card Box or whatever they're called... It has a USB C but i think its limited to Power because there is just a lightning symbol on it...

 

Oh I hate those symboles. Look like thunderbolt, isn't thunderbolt. Do you have any budget in mind?

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6 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

Never too early to build your own, so you can do exactly as you say.... upgrade individually over time.  Mom has a point tho, you just have desires for performance outside the normal user.  It's on you now.

Well when i see all the overclocking and balls to the wall rig's i kinda get a little bit frustrated, because on Overwatch i get 70 FPS and on CSGO (which i know is more CPU based) 120 FPS <-- which is fine...

 

6 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Is it your money or hers?

I would wish myself money for Birthday and X-Mas (12 Dezember Birthday so its pretty close :)) and then save it until i have enough...

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1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Is it your money or hers?

Exactly my thoughts.

 

If you're not paying, then tough. Be grateful she bought you a gaming laptop in the first place.

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Just now, sterixir said:

Birthday and X-Mas

That's still her money so yeah... just be grateful for what you got, one day you'll work and have a paycheck then you can weight down you expenses and decide whether or not you need upgrading.

 

Not to sound rude or any thing, life's not shining rainbows.

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6 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

Oh I hate those symboles. Look like thunderbolt, isn't thunderbolt. Do you have any budget in mind?

Well not really, https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Sterixir/saved/jWspGX this would be as the title says my dream atm (i would buy a 1080ti used with still waranty on it, costs like arround 500 - 600 here ._. welcome to fucking Switzerland :c

 

6 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

That's still her money so yeah... just be grateful for what you got, one day you'll work and have a paycheck then you can weight down you expenses and decide whether or not you need upgrading.

 

Not to sound rude or any thing, life's not shining rainbows.

I know, and i am working atm as much as i can beside school ._. but if i keep on only working i will be finished in arround 2021 (and i work 2 times a week each time for 1h 30min)

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keep your laptop and play other games, maybe ones that aren't full of shit people but that's up to you

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31 minutes ago, sterixir said:

Hi there :)

I know the Title seem's a bit weird but hear me out...

initial situation: I have a Acer Gaming Laptop from 2015 (when first program was downloaded) with a 960 in it. The Problem is, that i want to upgrade because atm im pretty limited when it comes to "newer" games. I cant play PUBG (I know its badly optimised) & R6 for example (ca. 40 FPS even though i have everything on low...)  and so on... 

Now let's start with the Mother part if you haven't already gotten it. She thinks that a new Computer isn't necessary at all, because we bought it 2 Years ago and she had her IMac for already 6 and it still runs great...

So what do you think? Upgrade or just leave it? 


(If i would upgrade, then i would build a PC on my own so i could upgrade the Part's individually, because the only thing which leaks power is the 960 and i can't replace that because its a Laptop...) 

Sounds to me like a Gaming PC is an expense that is a little out of your reach.

Regardless, if it is a GTX 960m then that would be understandable, but a GTX 960 should still average a little over 60 frames. Building a gaming PC is an expense, and to get something that will perform for something better than High at 1080p on the majority of games is significantly moreso. A new gaming PC will still be close to $800-$1000 running some low-mid end specs. My personal recommendation is a Micro-ATX loadout with a Ryzen 5 2600 paired with a GTX 1060 or a 1050 TI

 

Start small, this will have power and room to expand, with a solid CPU for its price (and just pretty awesome in general), and the ability to still suit the tougher games with the powerful 1060 or still adequate 1050 Ti

 

Upgrading your Motherboard, Case and RAM would be your next big steps, as these aren't necessarily Vital to a PC's gaming potential (while they still do play a part) by taking some price cuts on some of the things that aren't as vital, you can get a gaming PC that still powers through for a decent amount of time.

 

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1 minute ago, nayman898 said:

Sounds to me like a Gaming PC is an expense that is a little out of your reach.

Regardless, if it is a GTX 960m then that would be understandable, but a GTX 960 should still average a little over 60 frames. Building a gaming PC is an expense, and to get something that will perform for something better than High at 1080p on the majority of games is significantly moreso. A new gaming PC will still be close to $800-$1000 running some low-mid end specs. My personal recommendation is a Micro-ATX loadout with a Ryzen 5 2600 paired with a GTX 1060 or a 1050 TI

 

Start small, this will have power and room to expand, with a solid CPU for its price (and just pretty awesome in general), and the ability to still suit the tougher games with the powerful 1060 or still adequate 1050 Ti

I its probably a 960m ._.

 

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2 minutes ago, aezakmi said:

keep your laptop and play other games, maybe ones that aren't full of shit people but that's up to you

He's young, he still has age/time for online competitive games haha... but yeah with a GTX960M you can still play tons of older games with terrific single player campaigns.

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Just now, sterixir said:

Well not really, https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Sterixir/saved/jWspGX this would be as the title says my dream atm (i would buy a 1080ti used with still waranty on it, costs like arround 500 - 600 here ._. welcome to fucking Switzerland :c

Took a look at your part picker build, and it looks good, but here are some thoughts: Go for a 750 watt PSU, 550 isn't leaving you much headroom for upgrading or overclocking, id also cut the sata 2.5" SSD  in favor of a 500 GB NVME m.2 SSD, I have a Samsung 960 Evo, it's great, and with an accessory WD black 500gb is way more than I'll ever need, for ram, I would get 2 8gb sticks (leave yourself room for more) they should be around $40 per stick, also the case and color scheme are up to you but I prefer RGB fans so I can have whatever color I want (my first build was all green and found out later that maybe i'd want to change from green) I recommend leaving yourself available to change.

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1 minute ago, sterixir said:

I its probably a 960m ._.

 

And to give you an idea, I'm relatively young and started really gaming back in 2008. I mowed lawns till I could afford a GTX 650 and scraped by on less than 40fps on practically every game (and many that were under 30) until i was old enough to get my own job and money. From there I have slowly built and improved upon my PC. It still needs some upgrades, but in most cases, it is not as instant as a some people make it out to be. 

 

Another option, despite my dislike of them, is a console. A cost effective gaming solution that can work until you can afford the bigger expense of a gaming computer. When I got my ps3 I stepped away from my PC because it simply couldn't handle the same games that the PS3 could. It would be temporary, but gets you by with at least the basics of gaming.

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Point out to her that iMacs don’t require as much power for their common use case so they will last longer and the software optimisation will mean it will feel new for longer

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6 hours ago, aezakmi said:

keep your laptop and play other games, maybe ones that aren't full of shit people but that's up to you

chill ? we are only discussing...

 

6 hours ago, nayman898 said:

And to give you an idea, I'm relatively young and started really gaming back in 2008. I mowed lawns till I could afford a GTX 650 and scraped by on less than 40fps on practically every game (and many that were under 30) until i was old enough to get my own job and money. From there I have slowly built and improved upon my PC. It still needs some upgrades, but in most cases, it is not as instant as a some people make it out to be. 

 

Another option, despite my dislike of them, is a console. A cost effective gaming solution that can work until you can afford the bigger expense of a gaming computer. When I got my ps3 I stepped away from my PC because it simply couldn't handle the same games that the PS3 could. It would be temporary, but gets you by with at least the basics of gaming.

Well i already got a Xbox (which i bought myself)... idk i will see, and if your interested here is my Time Spy Benchmark: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/30247473

 

5 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

Doesnt look that bad :) dank u 

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You can't play pubg with a 960m...? there might be something else wrong with your laptop...

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

He's young, he still has age/time for online competitive games haha... but yeah with a GTX960M you can still play tons of older games with terrific single player campaigns.

And i play them and i look, if i would only play these games i wouldn't bother at all... But atm, all my friends got a new PC and ask me if i can play like, lets say R6 for Example, then i always have to say: Sorry i can't, my Computer will be running at 90° Celcius and i will have 40 FPS 

 

5 hours ago, Sauron said:

You can't play pubg with a 960m...? there might be something else wrong with your laptop...

I mean i can play "sort of" play it... But when everything is on low (especially the range) its just hidius :c

 

5 hours ago, Sauron said:

You can't play pubg with a 960m...? there might be something else wrong with your laptop...

and when like 2 Grenades pop up in my Screan my Laptop will be like: Wait give me a sec and just drops to 10 fps :C

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1 minute ago, sterixir said:

Doesnt look that bad :) dank u 

Leuk dat je translate hebt gebruikt?.

As to come back to the laptop, ever tried running userbenchmark? Maybe that reveals something

 

 

 

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Just now, sterixir said:

and when like 2 Grenades pop up in my Screan my Laptop will be like: Wait give me a sec and just drops to 10 fps :C

Don't know if you saw my edits, those will work for the games your mentioning. They leave room for upgradability as well

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Just now, sterixir said:

I mean i can play "sort of" play it... But when everything is on low (especially the range) its just hidius :c

Then I would say this is a bit of a first world problem :/ your mom is correct in saying you don't need a new computer. Then again, if you're the one paying for the parts you can simply tell her the truth - you want to play games at higher settings and your laptop can't handle it. If it's her money, I can't help but feel you might be wasting it if she already bought you a moderately expensive laptop just a couple of years ago.

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Don't take these as complete reviews or final truths - they are just my personal impressions on products I may or may not have used, summed up in a couple of sentences and a rough score. All scores take into account the unit's price and time of release, heavily so, therefore don't expect absolute performance to be reflected here.

 

-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

Spoiler

A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

Spoiler

From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

Spoiler

A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

Spoiler

Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

Spoiler

Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

Spoiler

A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

Leuk dat je translate hebt gebruikt?.

As to come back to the laptop, ever tried running userbenchmark? Maybe that reveals something

 

 

 

Im running it now, and geen probleem (Ik spreek een klein beetje Nederlands... <-- no Idea if that was wright :D

 

 

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