New to building AMD vs Intel cant deside

[Gilgam3s1]

So new to pc building and am in the process of collecting the parts for my build however I'm on the fence as for what cpu and board to get.. My budget can afford an i7 or the 2700x, now I know ryzen cant oc as fast as intel but the extra cores plus the ensured upgrade path for both the newly announced 7nm ryzen plus At least one more cpu befor haveing to get a whole new board sounds like a beter path then just high clock speeds. However IV heard stories of games and apps such as certain adobe products flat out not working and having users to revert to previous drivers and such to just make the apps and games stable again so I'm looking for somemore experiance imput. 

Intended use is gaming, game capture/recording, and eventual streaming

[Shimejii]

What will you be doing? Are you just gaming? Because purely just gaming intel would be better (going the used parts route) Are you buying new? Ryzen will also do just fine. Are you doing Photoshop or Premiere? Adobe is shitty at doing patches and is still behind properly fixing Ryzen, so id recommend Intel for this situation. 

 

Streaming, id recommend 2700x with ease.

[SupaKomputa]

FLAT OUT NOT WORKING is an exaggeration. I have ryzen 1600 since it was on the market, never failed on my adobe projects.

 

For building a PC you should calculate the total cost, not just the cpu. Intel system tends to be more expensive.

And especially for the 9th generation, you need i9 to match 2700x threads count.

Buy a ryzen 4XX motherboard will ensure you a smooth upgrade path to Ryzen 3, unlike intel that will change motherboard every 2 generation.

 

Clock speed is just show off who got the bigger balls, once you get into serious work, all that matters is can your pc run smoothly.

[Cereal5]

8 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

For building a PC you should calculate the total cost, not just the cpu. Intel system tends to be more expensive

Intel Z390 and AMD X470 motherboards are roughly the same price. B450 boards are barely cheaper, there’s just a bigger selection in the $80-150 range. And RAM is RAM, so yeah it’s pretty much just the CPU. 2700X is ~$300, 8700K ~$350, 9700K ~$400

 

9 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

And especially for the 9th generation, you need i9 to match 2700x threads count

We all know that that is not the only thing that factors into performance, but in things like editing and rendering, yeah a 2700/2700X is generally the better choice

[DailyProcrastinator]

I use my R7 1700 system exclusively for multi-threaded productivity tasks. This is advanced 3D design software, Adobe Premiere Pro and Illustrator, and web/software development programs, I have never had an issue with any of these programs. 

 

9 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

FLAT OUT NOT WORKING is an exaggeration. I have ryzen 1600 since it was on the market, never failed on my adobe projects.

 

For building a PC you should calculate the total cost, not just the cpu. Intel system tends to be more expensive.

And especially for the 9th generation, you need i9 to match 2700x threads count.

Buy a ryzen 4XX motherboard will ensure you a smooth upgrade path to Ryzen 3, unlike intel that will change motherboard every 2 generation.

 

Clock speed is just show off who got the bigger balls, once you get into serious work, all that matters is can your pc run smoothly.

Going the AMD route will likely be great for upgrading down the road. AMD has promised AM4 support through to 2020, meaning we will see 7nm support on AM4, and I'm counting on it. That's why I went for the Asus X470 Crosshair VII Hero.

[SupaKomputa]

3 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

Intel Z390 and AMD X470 motherboards are roughly the same price. B450 boards are barely cheaper, there’s just a bigger selection in the $80-150 range. And RAM is RAM, so yeah it’s pretty much just the CPU. 2700X is ~$300, 8700K ~$350, 9700K ~$400

 

We all know that that is not the only thing that factors into performance, but in things like editing and rendering, yeah a 2700/2700X is generally the better choice

You said it yourself, the cpu itself is $100 apart, that money is better spent on ssd or a better gpu.

For me top performance is not my concern, 10-15 fps lower than intel is meh to me. Don't care.

I cared more that my 12 threads is running on full clock speed when rendering my premiere jobs.

Even if intel beat also me in that department, at worst it will only take me no longer than 30 seconds to finish my work.

Just enough to finish my coffee... 

[Cereal5]

4 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

You said it yourself, the cpu itself is $100 apart, that money is better spent on ssd or a better gpu.

For me top performance is not my concern, 10-15 fps lower than intel is meh to me. Don't care.

I cared more that my 12 threads is running on full clock speed when rendering my premiere jobs.

Even if intel beat also me in that department, at worst it will only take me no longer than 30 seconds to finish my work.

Just enough to finish my coffee... 

Ok, well that might matter to OP so it’s important to take note of that. I think Ryzen is a great platform but I’m just making sure he makes an educated decision instead of everyone just telling him to go AMD

[SupaKomputa]

Okay, then lets break down from the original post:

Intended use is gaming, : Clock speed -> intel for sure, 9700k is the best here.

game capture/recording, : Multitasking -> threads, ryzen or i9

and eventual streaming : Multitasking -> threads, ryzen or i9

$100 disparity : Nvme SSD or +on gpu.

[pstarlord]

Simply put, they are both good.  Either one may be able to be maximized in certain situations, but a well balanced build based on either platform will be able to get you a very good experience for gaming.  The general consensus I've come across is that most games will work better with a faster core clock speed, giving Intel a bit of an advantage.  But, I don't think either of the CPU's you were talking about will be a bottleneck in your setup.  One thing I can tell you that gives Intel an advantage is if you want a Thunderbolt connection.  May, or may not be something you need.

 

Just curious, what's your overall budget?  What are you goals for gaming?  (1080, 1440, or 4K)  What Graphics Card are you planning on using? 

 

[Gilgam3s1]

Respective builds are as fallows

AMD

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Gilgam3s1/saved/nBYw6h

Intel

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R9znMZ

Only items not listed are the AOC 144hrz 1440 monitora, three led fans, desk and other perferals iv yet or already purchased