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Can a bad Motherboard cause erratic frametimes?

Polarisandneptune276
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I have been troubleshooting stuttering in games for months and has asked many times.

 

I was just wondering if a faulty motherboard could cause these erratic frametimes that I see?

 

 

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not unless it's undervolting parts responsible for FPS which is unlikely. Check GPU and CPU voltages and utilization and see if they're normal. What CPU do you have 

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7 minutes ago, Cigano said:

not unless it's undervolting parts responsible for FPS which is unlikely. Check GPU and CPU voltages and utilization and see if they're normal. What CPU do you have 

I posted recently about my Cpu voltages and my utilisation is completely fine. That screen shot was taken from SCUM where I have about 35% CPu usage and 99% Gpu.

 

I haven't check my Gpu voltages but it has been the same on 4 different gpu's. Here is my max while playing SCUM in Hw monitor.

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So far I have.

  1. Changed all of my PC components (to an i7) Psu, RAM, SSD, Cables, 4 different Gpu's including two 1070's. Tried a different MOBO, but it didnt change so placed new components into my old mobo.

  2. Tried every different combination of windows settings, optimisation I can think of.

  3. Tried multiple different fresh windows versions on different drives.

  4. Installed only basic software.

  5. Changed Bios settings and profiles, tuned of iGPU

  6. Looked at temps, voltages and profiles.

  7. Tried about 10 different Nvidia drivers

  8. Lowered graphical options and other settings like Sync

  9. Ran many tests like userbenchmark, furmark, prime95, passmark uni engine (which stutters too)

 

i7 4790

Gtx 1070 Rog Strix

16gb DDR3 Ram

Samsung Evo 860

Evga Gold g2 650w

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To start off, which games are suffering from stuttering? all of them? or are there specific titles? 

 

If a motherboard is the issue, it is unlikely to game at all =P

 

Can you provide a full breakdown of what is happening with the GPU/CPU using MSI afterburner. Things we'd need are:

- Thermals under stress

- CPU and GPU loads; including per core breakdown of utilization; 4790s may bottleneck a 1070 or 1080 and may not be able to keep up with the graphics card in modern titles. 

 

For example:

I have a Ryzen 2700x clocked at 4ghz with a 1070ti. In GTA 5; my GPU utilization mostly sits at 80-95% with occasional dips to 70% as the graphics card waits on my CPU core (#7 in my case) which is maxed out. The only way to know, is to look at what is happening on a core by core basis.

 

Dropping your settings in games will actually strain the CPU more as the system tries to churn out more FPS than it is capable of handling.

AMD Ryzen 3950x under a Noctua D15S, 32 Gb G Skill FlareX 3200 DDR4 running at 3200 CL14, Gigabyte Aorus Pro 570 Wifi, Gigabyte 2070 Super hooked to a Dell U2718Q 4k HDR monitor & an Acer 1440p 144hz IPS panel of some kind, an Inland 1 TB M.2 PCIE 4 main drive, a Samsung NVME M.2 250Gb, WD Blue 500Gb  and 1 TB SSDs, Corsair RMX750, Rainbows and butterflies...

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18 minutes ago, RyzenDoctor said:

To start off, which games are suffering from stuttering? all of them? or are there specific titles? 

 

If a motherboard is the issue, it is unlikely to game at all =P

 

Can you provide a full breakdown of what is happening with the GPU/CPU using MSI afterburner. Things we'd need are:

- Thermals under stress

- CPU and GPU loads; including per core breakdown of utilization; 4790s may bottleneck a 1070 or 1080 and may not be able to keep up with the graphics card in modern titles. 

 

For example:

I have a Ryzen 2700x clocked at 4ghz with a 1070ti. In GTA 5; my GPU utilization mostly sits at 80-95% with occasional dips to 70% as the graphics card waits on my CPU core (#7 in my case) which is maxed out. The only way to know, is to look at what is happening on a core by core basis.

 

Dropping your settings in games will actually strain the CPU more as the system tries to churn out more FPS than it is capable of handling.

Every game apart from Rainbow Six bizarrely. Every open world game or heavy load game stutters severely, and worse with an uncapped framerate.

 

Thermals- My Cpu maintains arouind 65-73C under heavy load. 

Gpu- Doesn't go above 65C

 

Clocks are stable across all cores. (see below)

 

Stuttering happens regardless of Cpu utilisation, even at 35% in SCUM for example, it happens constantly. (Look at that horrible frame time below). I have tried two different processors and it's the same.

 

Did you look at the Voltage limit switching On/off that I posted, is that an issue? It has to be PSU or MOBO

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Seems like everything is working fine, but my frame times are all over the place still. Haunted hardware?

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Nah I think you’re getting cpu bottlenecked. The dips correspond to times when core utilization hits close to 100% on some cores. This essentially means that your GPU ends up waiting for the cpu core to finish whatever it’s doing before it can be fed data necessary to process more frames.

 

overall cpu utilization is a poor indicator of cpu bottlenecking as most games don’t multi thread well. They tend to rely heavily on 1-2 cores and that’s where single threaded performance comes in.

AMD Ryzen 3950x under a Noctua D15S, 32 Gb G Skill FlareX 3200 DDR4 running at 3200 CL14, Gigabyte Aorus Pro 570 Wifi, Gigabyte 2070 Super hooked to a Dell U2718Q 4k HDR monitor & an Acer 1440p 144hz IPS panel of some kind, an Inland 1 TB M.2 PCIE 4 main drive, a Samsung NVME M.2 250Gb, WD Blue 500Gb  and 1 TB SSDs, Corsair RMX750, Rainbows and butterflies...

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3 hours ago, RyzenDoctor said:

Nah I think you’re getting cpu bottlenecked. The dips correspond to times when core utilization hits close to 100% on some cores. This essentially means that your GPU ends up waiting for the cpu core to finish whatever it’s doing before it can be fed data necessary to process more frames.

 

overall cpu utilization is a poor indicator of cpu bottlenecking as most games don’t multi thread well. They tend to rely heavily on 1-2 cores and that’s where single threaded performance comes in.

But my utilisation is low on the induvidual cores (Where did you see 100%?) and the same thing happens when I cap my frame rate at 60, when my system is capable of far more.

 

I found this during latency mon test that has to have something to do with it.

 

https://imgur.com/a/cMo5PtB

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8 minutes ago, Polarisandneptune276 said:

But my utilisation is low and the same thing happens when I cap my frame rate at 60, when my system is capable of far more.

Overall utilisation is low or per core utilisation is low? The difference matters for the exact reason @RyzenDoctor mentions.

Could it be the drive stuff is installed on?

Crystal: CPU: i7 7700K | Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix Z270F | RAM: GSkill 16 GB@3200MHz | GPU: Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti FE | Case: Corsair Crystal 570X (black) | PSU: EVGA Supernova G2 1000W | Monitor: Asus VG248QE 24"

Laptop: Dell XPS 13 9370 | CPU: i5 10510U | RAM: 16 GB

Server: CPU: i5 4690k | RAM: 16 GB | Case: Corsair Graphite 760T White | Storage: 19 TB

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23 minutes ago, tikker said:

Overall utilisation is low or per core utilisation is low? The difference matters for the exact reason @RyzenDoctor mentions.

Could it be the drive stuff is installed on?

None of my cores are hitting above 70% with an uncapped framerate and when capped to 60fps it's below 50% on all cores induvidually. I'm not hitting a cpu bottneck. I'm not sure where Ryzen doctor found that 100% usage because it isn't in my graph.

 

I have tried on numerous dirvers, SSD's, HDD's.

 

I found this issue in latencymon https://imgur.com/a/5EQvEa0

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On 11/6/2018 at 1:45 PM, Polarisandneptune276 said:

None of my cores are hitting above 70% with an uncapped framerate and when capped to 60fps it's below 50% on all cores induvidually. I'm not hitting a cpu bottneck. I'm not sure where Ryzen doctor found that 100% usage because it isn't in my graph.

 

I have tried on numerous dirvers, SSD's, HDD's.

 

I found this issue in latencymon https://imgur.com/a/5EQvEa0

If you look at your graphs, there are intermittent spikes. Yes the spikes dont hit 100%, but that is due to the way data is sampled and averaged over a chunk of time by MSI afterburner. Your CPU would have to be running at 100% for a few seconds for the spike to hit the 100% mark and for that to be visible. If it hits it for 100 msec and then drops to 50% for 100 msec, (assuming an averaging time of 200 msec), it'll post a utilization of ~ 75%. You will still see the stutter. What I normally look for when diagnosing these issues is a correlation between the spikes that are significantly above baseline utilization and the increased frame time.

 

Stutters dont happen due to sustained loads, it is the intermittent maximization of one core that causes CPU-related stutters.

 

Are you able to test a different CPU without committing to buying it?

 

 

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Looking at the LatencyMon results, they report that your problematic libraries are DirectX graphics Kernel and Nvidia drivers which further supports that the CPU is having trouble processing calls from the GPU and that those calls are dragging your system down. Is it an inefficient driver? maybe... but youve already tested a few of them. Is it Direct X 12? could be... but you need it to play more recent games. 

 

 

AMD Ryzen 3950x under a Noctua D15S, 32 Gb G Skill FlareX 3200 DDR4 running at 3200 CL14, Gigabyte Aorus Pro 570 Wifi, Gigabyte 2070 Super hooked to a Dell U2718Q 4k HDR monitor & an Acer 1440p 144hz IPS panel of some kind, an Inland 1 TB M.2 PCIE 4 main drive, a Samsung NVME M.2 250Gb, WD Blue 500Gb  and 1 TB SSDs, Corsair RMX750, Rainbows and butterflies...

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11 hours ago, RyzenDoctor said:

Looking at the LatencyMon results, they report that your problematic libraries are DirectX graphics Kernel and Nvidia drivers which further supports that the CPU is having trouble processing calls from the GPU and that those calls are dragging your system down. Is it an inefficient driver? maybe... but youve already tested a few of them. Is it Direct X 12? could be... but you need it to play more recent games. 

 

 

Yeah it seems that something is on some sort of time and that it spikes quite regularly.

 

I have tested on both an i5 4590 and an i7 4790.

 

My best guess is that it is a mobo issue with drivers or some sort of incompatibility. It doesn't do it in all games. rainbows six has completely smooth freamtimes, all the way.

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Different games are programmed in a different manner. Some rely on the CPU heavily for physics and AI, which doesn’t leave much headroom if things heat up in game leading to stutter.

 

its not a motherboard issue per se, but the interaction of your cpu, GPU, and software installed. Your motherboard for the most part serves as the wiring that holds everything together. If a wire is cut (broken trace or dead chip) nothing would work. 

 

I think the only hung left to try is a more powerful/more recent cpu

AMD Ryzen 3950x under a Noctua D15S, 32 Gb G Skill FlareX 3200 DDR4 running at 3200 CL14, Gigabyte Aorus Pro 570 Wifi, Gigabyte 2070 Super hooked to a Dell U2718Q 4k HDR monitor & an Acer 1440p 144hz IPS panel of some kind, an Inland 1 TB M.2 PCIE 4 main drive, a Samsung NVME M.2 250Gb, WD Blue 500Gb  and 1 TB SSDs, Corsair RMX750, Rainbows and butterflies...

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On 11/9/2018 at 7:29 PM, RyzenDoctor said:

Different games are programmed in a different manner. Some rely on the CPU heavily for physics and AI, which doesn’t leave much headroom if things heat up in game leading to stutter.

 

its not a motherboard issue per se, but the interaction of your cpu, GPU, and software installed. Your motherboard for the most part serves as the wiring that holds everything together. If a wire is cut (broken trace or dead chip) nothing would work. 

 

I think the only hung left to try is a more powerful/more recent cpu

This just doesn't make sense that two different ha swell Cpu's would do that. They should work fine on soem older game but they don't.

 

Plenty of people play on these with no issues, the only thing I can think of is some way that the Motherboard or Bios is juggling all of this.

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  • 2 years later...

Hi

I know this is an old thread, but it's super difficult to find threads like these where someone has had this issue. I've also tested multiple parts on my pc, ( gpus, psus, ssd, ram, etc), and get these weird frametime spikes.. I read what the person said above about it possibly being CPU , my msi afterburner graphs look similiar to that. I am running an 8700k , 2070 super, evga 750w, 32gb 3600mhz ram.

 

In COD, it runs pretty smooth. No frametime spikes, or not nearly as bad. In a game such as fortnite, where a potato can run it, I get these terrible 50-100 ms spikes, same as PUBG.

If a grenade goes off, or at times where I fire a weapon, a massive spike will occur. Which makes me believe something is taking up time to process it which leads to stutters. 

I was wondering if you were able to fix your issue from getting a new CPU? Or if you did, what did you do to fix it?

Thanks! 

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On 1/17/2021 at 8:35 AM, Larball999 said:

Hi

I know this is an old thread, but it's super difficult to find threads like these where someone has had this issue. I've also tested multiple parts on my pc, ( gpus, psus, ssd, ram, etc), and get these weird frametime spikes.. I read what the person said above about it possibly being CPU , my msi afterburner graphs look similiar to that. I am running an 8700k , 2070 super, evga 750w, 32gb 3600mhz ram.

 

In COD, it runs pretty smooth. No frametime spikes, or not nearly as bad. In a game such as fortnite, where a potato can run it, I get these terrible 50-100 ms spikes, same as PUBG.

If a grenade goes off, or at times where I fire a weapon, a massive spike will occur. Which makes me believe something is taking up time to process it which leads to stutters. 

I was wondering if you were able to fix your issue from getting a new CPU? Or if you did, what did you do to fix it?

Thanks! 

did you figure out what the problem is.I have the same prob

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  • 3 weeks later...

Omg yes please!! i'm having the same issue to. according to steam overlay i'm dropping like 4-10 fps when i have 144fps but it's causing a split second freeze that's is so annoying. but on games like rocket league when i'm in a match. no noticeable stutters. I've been slaving away aronud my computer since late December 2020 trying to figure it out. i don't know if my computer performance matches the utilization like OP but also my cpu was thermal throttling because of my stock intel cpu cooler wearing out i guess. not a Notcua cpu cooler and no more thermal throttling but i'm getting the same weird spikes. i must've caused a bit on damage to my cpu running it that hot for that long. i'm at my wits end trying to figure it out and have my pc run like it used to 

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  • 4 weeks later...

I think i found the solution...

 

Try to "ground your pc", search it on youtube how to do it, cause it's really ez to do it and it just take like 1 - 2 minutes to set it up. And i highly recommend you to do the harder way which is grounding on your terminal too rather than grounding on your pc only...

 

How do i know this? Well because i have the same issue like you, and even though i always replacing my parts, it's always stuttering  and even lagging... But now, my pc is never lagging again and it run smooth like a butter.

 

And if you still have the issue than probably some of your part is already being damage by the excessive static electricity, and you need to change it.

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On 11/5/2018 at 6:07 PM, Polarisandneptune276 said:

Also is this voltage an issue, it is jumping from 1-0 constantly.

 

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Nah, that's actually quite normal *as in completely normal 

 

 

 

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-Scott Manley, 2021

 

 

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  • 9 months later...

I would love to know if anyone has managed a solution to this as I have a similar problem, infact almost identical.

 

8700K

RTX 2080 TI

32GB DDR4 @ 3000mhz

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