why apple products cost more with extra storage

[sadik]

 

so, how does the price increase with extra storage for apple products?

(the 1TB model nearly cost twice as the 64GB model)

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14 minutes ago, sadik said:

so, how does the price increase with extra storage for apple products?

Linearly, at a rate of 1.28 GB/$, or to flip that upside down, $0.78/GB, which puts it at roughly twice the cost of a 970 Pro at the time of this comment (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BYHGNB5/), assuming your screenshot of the iPad prices is in USD.

 

Oof, I always knew it was bad but tbh I didn't realize it was this out of control.  It's literally double, plain as day.  And you can't really argue that I'm comparing to a lower tier of memory since this is basically as good as it gets.

[Enderman]

Uh, because more storage costs more money?

[Arika]

are you serious?

[Sakkura]

Because Apple makes more money that way.

[GoldenLag]

Because they can charge people more if they are willing to pay for the more expencive model. All conpanies to this

[LogicalDrm]

Flash memory shortage. /thread

[lewdicrous]

Why would they charge the same amount of money for the 64GB option and the 1TB option? That's just dumb.

You do know that this isn't just happening with apple products, right? You'll pay more for more storage regardless of brand..

[Origami Cactus]

30 minutes ago, LoGiCalDrm said:

Flash memory shortage. /thread

No? Have you seen the prices of ssds recently? 

[TetraSky]

Because Apple doesn't update their pricing overtime to reflect current pricing of parts and because they generally overcharge people for everything?
It's nothing new, it's Apple. Their rabid fan base will still support them regardless, because to them, more expensive = more better.

Even if it means paying a ridiculous amount of money for a product that came out years ago and is totally not worth it anymore spec wise, they don't know any better.(Not talking about the ipad here, just in general)

[Canada EH]

ipads got you by the balls!

 

The same holding of balls that the movie theater has when 7-11 is a block away.

$5 vs $2

 

The same holding of balls as a small town has in pricing their consumer goods has when the Walmart is 100km away.

 

Balls n' proprietary go hand in hand.

Balls n' sealed unit / soldered unit

 

That is why Credit Cards were invented.

 

[Amazonsucks]

21 hours ago, Origami Cactus said:

No? Have you seen the prices of ssds recently? 

Ikr theyre dirt cheap right now! Newegg has 1TB Crucial MX500s for $150 currently. This is just Apple preying on the ignorance of consumers.

[Mira Yurizaki]

It's probably to encourage people to sign up for an iCloud plan.

[Sakkura]

22 hours ago, lewdicrous said:

Why would they charge the same amount of money for the 64GB option and the 1TB option? That's just dumb.

You do know that this isn't just happening with apple products, right? You'll pay more for more storage regardless of brand..

The price difference between the 64GB option and the 1TB is much bigger than the price of a comparable 1TB SSD.

 

The reason is Apple exploits the need for more storage to make extra profit.

 

32 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

It's probably to encourage people to sign up for an iCloud plan.

That's an interesting extra reason. Not sure it's the main one, but at least it means whatever you pick, Apple has a way to benefit.

[lewdicrous]

11 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

The price difference between the 64GB option and the 1TB is much bigger than the price of a comparable 1TB SSD.

 

The reason is Apple exploits the need for more storage to make extra profit.

I agree with that, I was just pointing out that the price of a phone will increase the more storage it has, how much of an increase depends on the manufacturer and their practices.

Maybe I just misunderstood the topic, hence why my answer wasn't that clear

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1 hour ago, M.Yurizaki said:

It's probably to encourage people to sign up for an iCloud plan.

That and just take as much profit as they can on the device.  There isn't expandable storage so you have to buy as much as you need, and when buying a device like this you really don't want to be stuck with too little, so it pushes people to the more expensive option.

[PornSiteVirus]

On 11/3/2018 at 2:13 AM, sadik said:

 

so, how does the price increase with extra storage for apple products?

(the 1TB model nearly cost twice as the 64GB model)

>inb4 the “macs don’t get virus’ though!”

give me ten minutes and I can have it bricked lol. 

 

 

Apple is proud of their products and they always will be. I’ve noticed in the phones that no matter how old they get, they run just as fast as they did fresh out of the box whereas an android tends to slow down and require force closes after about 8 months to a year after purchase. Haven’t owned an android since the Galaxy S6 so that very well could’ve changed. 

 

[Sakkura]

54 minutes ago, PornSiteVirus said:

>inb4 the “macs don’t get virus’ though!”

give me ten minutes and I can have it bricked lol. 

 

 

Apple is proud of their products and they always will be. I’ve noticed in the phones that no matter how old they get, they run just as fast as they did fresh out of the box whereas an android tends to slow down and require force closes after about 8 months to a year after purchase. Haven’t owned an android since the Galaxy S6 so that very well could’ve changed. 

 

Uhh... Apple has publicly admitted to slowing down their older phones.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/dec/29/apple-apologises-for-slowing-older-iphones-battery-performance

[Canada EH]

9 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

Ikr theyre dirt cheap right now! Newegg has 1TB Crucial MX500s for $150 currently. This is just Apple preying on the ignorance of consumers.

Yeah but can you change out ram in an ipad?

As far as my non googling goes, I dont think so.

 

 

9 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

It's probably to encourage people to sign up for an iCloud plan.

You got a valid point there, knowing how greedy Apple is and their sneaky profit motives, you are right on that!

 

9 hours ago, lewdicrous said:

I agree with that, I was just pointing out that the price of a phone will increase the more storage it has, how much of an increase depends on the manufacturer and their practices.

Maybe I just misunderstood the topic, hence why my answer wasn't that clear

You also got a valid point, microSD memory vs internal memory. Speed variants, perhaps, google no.

[Bouzoo]

iProducts are considered to be premium products, and companies are not charging you based on what the product costed to make, but what they think consumers will pay for it. Everyone does it but, as previously said, Apple products are considered more premium than others, hence the higher price tag. 

[Commodus]

10 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

Ikr theyre dirt cheap right now! Newegg has 1TB Crucial MX500s for $150 currently. This is just Apple preying on the ignorance of consumers.

Let me know when Crucial is selling a 1TB SSD the size of a postage stamp and then you'll have an argument.

 

Mobile-oriented flash storage is expensive at these capacities.  Crucial and other companies can offer 1TB SSDs because they have a 2.5-inch enclosure to fit numerous lower-density chips; if Apple did that in the iPad Pro, you'd be complaining about the weight or reduced space for the battery.  This isn't to say a 1TB iPad Pro doesn't have a price markup, but the one chip offering that capacity likely costs a lot more than you think it does.

[Mira Yurizaki]

52 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Let me know when Crucial is selling a 1TB SSD the size of a postage stamp and then you'll have an argument.

 

Mobile-oriented flash storage is expensive at these capacities.  Crucial and other companies can offer 1TB SSDs because they have a 2.5-inch enclosure to fit numerous lower-density chips; if Apple did that in the iPad Pro, you'd be complaining about the weight or reduced space for the battery.  This isn't to say a 1TB iPad Pro doesn't have a price markup, but the one chip offering that capacity likely costs a lot more than you think it does.

SATA SSDs tend to be a lot smaller than their housing suggests.

 

Also the flash memory in iPads are eMMC. Even Samsung is offering 1TB (albeit probably over two chips) higher performance flash for $250.

 

Really the only reason why anyone does this is to find something to jack up the cost and reel in a higher profit margin. Like why does the cellular data models cost $150 more when 4G capable portable hotspots can be found for $50 without contract?

Edited November 4, 2018 by M.Yurizaki

[Commodus]

39 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

SATA SSDs tend to be a lot smaller than their housing suggests.

 

Also the flash memory in iPads are eMMC. Even Samsung is offering 1TB (albeit probably over two chips) higher performance flash for $250.

 

Really the only reason why anyone does this is to find something to jack up the cost and reel in a higher profit margin. Like why does the cellular data models cost $150 more when 4G capable portable hotspots can be found for $50 without contract?

I know they don't fill the whole enclosure, but they still use multiple lower-density chips, and often have a controller on top of that to interface with the PC.  As for speed... well, let's wait until someone benchmarks the speed of a 1TB iPad Pro before making pronouncements, shall we?  Apple has historically had some of the fastest flash storage in mobile devices, and even some of the controlled demos at the event suggested it was seriously fast (such as working on a 3GB Photoshop file on the floor demos).

 

It's certainly true that Apple is doing this to hike prices and get some cushy profit margins.  I'm mainly dismantling the false claim that a cheapie 1TB SATA SSD is somehow comparable to what could well be a one-chip mobile solution.  Miniaturization costs money, especially if that's backed up by performance.

 

As for the cellular bit?  I'm sure it doesn't cost Apple $150 more, but remember that there are also issues like cellular patent licenses in addition to the requisite hardware changes.

[Mira Yurizaki]

14 minutes ago, Commodus said:

I know they don't fill the whole enclosure, but they still use multiple lower-density chips, and often have a controller on top of that to interface with the PC.  As for speed... well, let's wait until someone benchmarks the speed of a 1TB iPad Pro before making pronouncements, shall we?  Apple has historically had some of the fastest flash storage in mobile devices, and even some of the controlled demos at the event suggested it was seriously fast (such as working on a 3GB Photoshop file on the floor demos).

iFixit's teardown of the 10.9" model last year showed it had eMMC flash. I can't imagine Apple really changing that. Not to mention anything faster would require SATA or PCIe, which isn't really suitable for portable electronics for the target market. 

 

EDIT: Well I decided to look to see if there were storage benchmarks and it appears the flash memory reached SATA speeds https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ipad-pro-10-5-12-9-ssd-storage-speed-test-64-256-512gb.2105666/

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It's certainly true that Apple is doing this to hike prices and get some cushy profit margins.  I'm mainly dismantling the false claim that a cheapie 1TB SATA SSD is somehow comparable to what could well be a one-chip mobile solution.  Miniaturization costs money, especially if that's backed up by performance.

Miniaturization in microelectronics tends to lead to cheaper products for the same spec of yesteryear.

 

A 1TB SATA SSD now costs $200 for a two chip design. A few years ago it would've been double the cost and likely use two to four times as many chips

 

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As for the cellular bit?  I'm sure it doesn't cost Apple $150 more, but remember that there are also issues like cellular patent licenses in addition to the requisite hardware changes.

Yes, but those fees aren't likely going to be that much to warrant anywhere near that cost either.

Edited November 4, 2018 by M.Yurizaki

[Commodus]

23 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

iFixit's teardown of the 10.9" model last year showed it had eMMC flash. I can't imagine Apple really changing that. Not to mention anything faster would require SATA or PCIe, which isn't really suitable for portable electronics for the target market. 

 

EDIT: Well I decided to look to see if there were storage benchmarks and it appears the flash memory reached SATA speeds https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ipad-pro-10-5-12-9-ssd-storage-speed-test-64-256-512gb.2105666/

That's the thing: not all flash storage is created equal, and it's now at the point where it can perform more like a fast SSD than a pokey microSD card.

 

26 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Miniaturization in microelectronics tends to lead to cheaper products for the same spec of yesteryear.

 

A 1TB SATA SSD now costs $200 for a two chip design. A few years ago it would've been double the cost and likely use two to four times as many chips

It does, but you're also comparing a PC SATA drive to earlier PC SATA drives.  This doesn't account for the size, complexity and power consumption changes dictated by mobile.  A few years ago, you were happy if there was even a basic 128GB option on a mobile tablet, let alone a 1TB option that likely competes with PC drives in terms of speed.

 

29 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Yes, but those fees aren't likely going to be that much to warrant anywhere near that cost either.

Oh, I'm sure there's a hefty profit margin in there.  It's just that so many people just look at the cost of the chip by itself and forget everything else that's involved.