Difference and best z390 boards

[sideqcktv]

I want to get the 9700k but I don’t know which board to get I was thinking asus prime z390-a but I have no clue what the letters mean nor the difference between all z390 boards I plan on ocing my cpu to max I heard I can oc to 5.3 max

[Jurrunio]

Unless you care about overclocking and benchmark scores more than real world performance, the cheaper 8700k is the way to go. 9700k is just not worth that $50 more.

 

If you don't know what board to buy, just give us a budget and we'll find the best one out there for you.

[sideqcktv]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Unless you care about overclocking and benchmark scores more than real world performance, the cheaper 8700k is the way to go. 9700k is just not worth that $50 more.

 

If you don't know what board to buy, just give us a budget and we'll find the best one out there for you.

I’ll be streaming and I just want to be able to max out overclocks on ram cpu and gpu I know 8700k has 6 core 12 thread and new one is 8 core 8 threads I just wanted the 9700k because it can oc to 5.3 which is honestly a decent increase I would think 

[Firewrath9]

A z370 with a bios flash = Z390.

evga Z370 classified K > Z390 FTW

whatever. If you want a good Z390 for OC, i’d reccommend evga Z390 Classified K, or if you are on more of a budget, the evga FTW Z390.

[Jurrunio]

23 minutes ago, sideqcktv said:

I’ll be streaming and I just want to be able to max out overclocks on ram cpu and gpu I know 8700k has 6 core 12 thread and new one is 8 core 8 threads I just wanted the 9700k because it can oc to 5.3 which is honestly a decent increase I would think 

except it doesnt really show any noticeable advantage

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-9700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700K/4030vs3937

 

Also liquid metalling the 8700k is much easier and superior to the soldered 9700k.

Either you go big for the 9900k, or go cheaper for the 8700k.

 

25 minutes ago, sideqcktv said:

max out overclocks on ram cpu and gpu

Then mid range boards aren't good enough. You'll need to invest in the top boards like the Asus Maximus 11 lineup or MSI Z390 Carbon or Gigabyte Z390 Extreme or Asrock Taichi.

[sideqcktv]

15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

except it doesnt really show any noticeable advantage

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-9700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700K/4030vs3937

 

Also liquid metalling the 8700k is much easier and superior to the soldered 9700k.

Either you go big for the 9900k, or go cheaper for the 8700k.

 

Then mid range boards aren't good enough. You'll need to invest in the top boards like the Asus Maximus 11 lineup or MSI Z390 Carbon or Gigabyte Z390 Extreme or Asrock Taichi.

Isn’t 10% more power better or not much of a difference?

[Manolakis]

hey guys!! How and 8700k will perform in a z390? will it perform better on a z370 or the same? Im just asking cause i really need the wifi from z390s but i dont think its worth going with 9th gen chip!!

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, sideqcktv said:

Isn’t 10% more power better or not much of a difference?

where did you see 10%? That's also 13.5% jump in US price btw

 

1 hour ago, Manolakis said:

hey guys!! How and 8700k will perform in a z390? will it perform better on a z370 or the same? Im just asking cause i really need the wifi from z390s but i dont think its worth going with 9th gen chip!!

You cannot and should not judge a board based on its chipset

[Manolakis]

have anybody test that?

 

[Manolakis]

JJ from ASUS at about 6:45 and after said something about "benefits" with 9th cpus on z390s...i know it could be just for marketing purposes...but thats why im asking if that has to do with the performance overall..and it would be good if someone actually tests that..!

[Carclis]

5 hours ago, sideqcktv said:

I want to get the 9700k but I don’t know which board to get I was thinking asus prime z390-a but I have no clue what the letters mean nor the difference between all z390 boards I plan on ocing my cpu to max I heard I can oc to 5.3 max

Buying the cheapest Z390 motherboard and expecting it to support your OC to 5.3Ghz is not a wise move. If you're hoping to OC the CPU at all I'd recommend at least a mid-range board and something that isn't Asus as their offerings leave a lot to be desired this time around.

[sideqcktv]

18 minutes ago, Carclis said:

Buying the cheapest Z390 motherboard and expecting it to support your OC to 5.3Ghz is not a wise move. If you're hoping to OC the CPU at all I'd recommend at least a mid-range board and something that isn't Asus as their offerings leave a lot to be desired this time around.

Why not asus it has a nice design and it’s 180 if not asus what about MSI MPG Z390 Gaming PRO Carbon 

[Carclis]

7 minutes ago, sideqcktv said:

Why not asus it has a nice design and it’s 180 if not asus what about MSI MPG Z390 Gaming PRO Carbon 

Asus has a great bios and all but this particular board has anemic heatsinks and what looks to be not a great VRM setup (not a good combination). The MSI board you mentioned looks much better and should perform similarly to other good boards such as the Gigabyte Aorus Elite. Those two are priced reasonably well and shouldn't be a limiting factor for your overclocks. Your decision should then come down to which one is priced better where you live and which bios you prefer of the two.

[Carclis]

5 hours ago, sideqcktv said:

Why not asus it has a nice design and it’s 180 if not asus what about MSI MPG Z390 Gaming PRO Carbon 

It took me a while to find this again but here is a general tier list from overclockers. I'd take that into consideration for your purchase.
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[bobhumplick]

gigabyte aorus elite will do really well i think. for a 9700k you dont need to spend more than that.  you could get by for less but 170 for a real 12 phase on the aourus elite is great.  basically anything that will handle an 8700k will work great for the 9700k.  but if you are going to encode with the cpu (x264) and you plan to play fast paced games (like you want to do 120fps pubg or battlefield) then get the 9900k.  save your money somewhere else like with the elite only being 170.

 

and dont expect 5.3 with the 9700k.  they basically clock the same as the old chips.  a few will do 5.3 but not all or maybe even close to all.  if you are not going to delidd then go for the 9700k if you dont mind a delid then the 8700k is the way to go.

 

if you go with the 9700k over the 9900k then and you have a fast paced game like i mentioned at high fps then the game will use a lot of the cpu.  dont expect to go much past 720p 60 at fast preset.  if its a slower game or if you lock to 60fps then 1080p at fast or possibly medium will be possible with the 9700k.   if you are doing gpu encoding then it doesnt matter as much.

 

i would recommend a good air cooler as well.  noctua dh 15 or dark rock pro 4.  they will outdo most water coolers that are less than 240mm and that cost more and after a while aio water coolers start to get loud.

 

to be honest a 9700k would be good with one of the 120-150 dollar boards at around 5ghz but if you are shooting for 5.3ghz or a max oc in general then aorus elite is as cheap as i would go.  this 170 dollar board will be better than 230 dollar asus boards.  they are selling crap this time around.  everybody will recommend them but they are like the apple of mobos now.  pay 300 dollars for a 180 dolar mobo.

 

also if you can get somebody who knows how to tune a bios.  anybody can get max performance but getting with a low voltage is important.  using offset voltage and setting windows to use balanced power plan so that it will not apply full voltage all the time is important.  that way the voltage will throttle down to about .8v when you are not doing anything. setting voltage to manual instead of offset means you will be running that high voltage you set for your oc all the time even when the pc is doing nothing.  if you are using a high voltage (like around 1.4v or maybe just below) and you leave the pc on over a year or 2 it will degrade a bit.  if you use offset voltage and set the power plan to balanced when you leave it on it will throttle the voltage down so the cpu isnt degrading and also you can use less voltage for your oc because it actualy gives more voltage when doing avx automatically.  if you manually set the voltage you will be running a voltage high enough to handle and avx load even when you are just doing regular integer work.  thats not good. 

 

for instance most stuff on my pc i can do at 1.26v at 5ghz with my 8700k. but pure avx might take up to 1.344 or 1.36 for really hard stuff like prime.  if i did a manual voltage setting  and had the power plan set to performance it would do 1.36 all the time no matter what even if it was doing nothing.  if i set it to offset it stays 1.26v most fo the time and then goes up to 1.32-1.344 when doing encoding or whatever and when its doing nothing and i have it on 24\7 its just setting at .8v.  this is a huge difference when it comes to cpu degradation.  if you use manual voltage and run the pc all the time and you have voltage set high enough to do everything you do at 5+ghz then you will see degradation in a year or 2 and will have to either raise the volts or lower the clocks.

 

do your self a favor and use offset and balanced and get your voltages set correclty

[CarlBar]

ALso for streaming e.t.c. in future games are planning to go to 6 core 12 thread optimization. The 9700K no mater how overclocked is going to hit the wal hard and fast early on if your also encoding at the same time. The 9900K's extra cores won't hit the wall as fast. Though honestly i'd be much more tempted buy the 12 core/24 thread, Threadripper 2920X. It's the same price as the 9900K has somewhat inferiour current gaming performance but i expect to scale better with future games and the extra cores and threads will ensure you don't run into stream encoding bottlenecks even if GPU tech suddenly lets you stream in 4k, (and stream sites support that).

[CarlBar]

As an aside whats the opinion on the Taichi Ultimate for a Z390 board? Like Linus i'm a real data hog so 8x SATA is awesome and planning my own 9900k upgrade, (for pure gaming with a side order of clutter it's going to be the go to for a long time, i just think it might choke on encoding further down the line when the stream rez steps up again).