PSU Tier List V3 pre-launch thread

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 minute ago, Spotty said:

Sure... I can redo it off the existing list, but I lack the technical knowledge to be able to reclassify things and move them between the tiers.

 

 

Just let me know if you want a multi-level bullet point list (good for adding comments about individual PSUs, but a bit lengthier), or if you want the single level bullet point list with all models are on the same line for that manufacturer (shorter, but less room for adding comments about individual units and more cluttered)

 

Single Level List Example (like the current list, but with links)

 

 

Multi Level List Examples (Each series gets its own line)

 

 

or with the links directly next to the model name looks pretty tidy too...

 

Also the numbering for links can either be numbers or names of review outlets for the review, ie

 

 

Happy to do whatever you guys want. If anyone else has any suggestions for layout let me know.

Let's leave the tiers as they are for now, those can change later. Of those formatting options I like the first one the most since it's the least intrusive, but we need to find a place to put special notes

 

Edit : I think actually we should go with the 2nd option to make notes clearer

[Spotty]

<THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A NOTE YOU REPLY YOU WOULD WRITE>

 

 

2 minutes ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Let's leave the tiers as they are for now, those can change later. Of those formatting options I like the first one the most since it's the least intrusive, but we need to find a place to put special notes

I've got an idea...
Post the notes as a reply to the thread that includes the message that you want to note, as well as any supporting links to articles etc (such as G3 protection issues note). Then just link to that reply in the PSU tier list

 

Quote

Tier 2

• Seasonic - Focus Plus Gold ^[Note] _{[1] [2]}, Focus Plus Platinum _[1]

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Just now, Spotty said:

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Yeah I like that. Start converting the list and I'll get on the top and bottom bits.

[Spotty]

What are peoples thoughts so far on having links to review articles in the list?

Here's an example of what it might look like:

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Tier 1 - Best

• be Quiet! - Dark Power Pro P10, Dark Power Pro 11 _{[1] [2]}, Straight Power 11 _[1]
• Bitfenix - Whisper _{[1] [2] [3]}
• Cooler Master - V-series _[1], MasterWatt Maker _{[1] [2]}
• Corsair - AX, AXi _{[1] [2] [3]}, HXi _{[1] [2]}, RMi _{[1] [2] [3]}, RMx _[1], SF, HX (2017 grey label) _{[1] [2]}, TXM (2017 ≥750W)

Do you like the idea of having the review links next to the models like that or do you think it makes it look too messy/cluttered?

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

16 minutes ago, Spotty said:

What are peoples thoughts so far on having links to review articles in the list?

Here's an example of what it might look like:

Do you like the idea of having the review links next to the models like that or do you think it makes it look too messy/cluttered?

I think that's good and not too cluttered, though you might want to do it something like

Tier 2

 - Seasonic - Focus+ Gold _{[1, 2 ,3 ]} to have only 1 subscript thing per item or even do it like Seasonic - Focus+ Gold _{[TH TH JG]}

[Spotty]

11 minutes ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

I think that's good and not too cluttered, though you might want to do it something like

Tier 2

 - Seasonic - Focus+ Gold _{[1, 2 ,3 ]} to have only 1 subscript thing per item or even do it like Seasonic - Focus+ Gold _{[TH TH JG]}

Would look like:

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Tier 1 - Best

• be Quiet! - Dark Power Pro P10, Dark Power Pro 11 _{[TH JG]}, Straight Power 11 _[TH]
• Bitfenix - Whisper _{[TH AT JG]}
• Cooler Master - V-series _[TH], MasterWatt Maker _{[TH JG]}
• Corsair - AX, AXi _{[JG AT TH]}, HXi _{[AT JG]}, RMi _{[TH JG JG]}, RMx _[TH], SF, HX (2017 grey label) _{[TH AT]}, TXM (2017 ≥750W)

 

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 minute ago, Spotty said:

Would look like:

 

Yeah that seems good.

[Rexper]

The issue I have with tier lists is it’s too subjective. There are too many factors being clumped together. It is possible a ‘tier 3’ PSU would be a better option for the reader than a “tier 1” PSU, depending on their scenario and preferences.

 

Its why we don’t see any tier lists for cars.

 

What I think would work better is scoring in different areas - Voltage reg, ripple, protections, EMI, component quality, etc.

although that would take more effort, it would allow for unbiased criteria a PSU must meet to deserve its score. ATM PSUs are being tiered on someone’s gut-feeling.

[Stefan Payne]

IMO the best option is to class them into "value Categories".

 

And add all that are good to that and rate them less...

[17030644]

On 10/22/2018 at 3:43 PM, Senzelian said:

I was never a fan of the PSU Tier list as it stands right now.
I'd rather see a list of PSUs with individual reviews linked to it and the scores of those reviews attached to them.

 

I don't even see any restrictions that would define a tier. For me it's basically pointless information that might just lead to more confusion and misinformation than anything else.

PSU TIERS are for beginners, not for experienced people.

 

If you know about PSUs you know where the reviews are and how to get to them. Adding the review links wouldn't be a bad idea at all though.

On 10/23/2018 at 7:51 AM, Stefan Payne said:

I agree So we might want to consider moving from "Tiers" to "recommended" "good unit" "decent unit" and and maybe the "not recommended/avoid" and "avoid at all cost".

In the last category we should put something like EVGA BT and Seasonic S12II Series and concentrte on the bigger ones...

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Yup that's way more understandable for people that are new to PSUs.

 

Bc they observe tier 6 and they don't know wether it's good or not

[WoodenMarker]

On 10/26/2018 at 7:44 AM, Stefan Payne said:

IMO the best option is to class them into "value Categories".

Read this as "Vague Categories".

Eh, close enough. 

On 10/25/2018 at 10:50 PM, Rexper said:

What I think would work better is scoring in different areas - Voltage reg, ripple, protections, EMI, component quality, etc.

although that would take more effort, it would allow for unbiased criteria a PSU must meet to deserve its score. ATM PSUs are being tiered on someone’s gut-feeling.

Accuracy isn't a strong point for tier lists which is why they're often a point of contention. Tier lists bypass nuance and make it easier to draw a clear distinction when it's difficult to do so in order to save time. 

Due to all the factors that determine what tier a psu ends up being in, an explanation of how they're being weighted and why they're in a certain tier might help but it's also an easy way to create a cluttered mess. 

[Rexper]

On 10/27/2018 at 12:44 AM, Stefan Payne said:

IMO the best option is to class them into "value Categories".

 

And add all that are good to that and rate them less...

There still comes the problem of ever-varying prices, and how each user values different aspects.

Perhaps a list of popularly available power supplies, and provide examples to when each one could be considered.

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, Rexper said:

There still comes the problem of ever-varying prices, and how each user values different aspects.

Yes it is, that is why you can write something like:
If a PSU of a higher category happens to cost less, it is to be prefered.

 

You wouldn't want a Xilence Performance X 550 when you can have either a Cougar GX-F for the same price.

 

You wouldn't want a Cougar GX-F if you can get a Bitfenix Whisper M for the same price.

 

You wouldn't want any CWT GPS based unit, when you can get a Corsair RMx for the same price...

 

But the problem is:
How do you classify a Xilence Performance X?
Entry Gold? electrical performance is quite good and IIRC better than a be quiet Straight Power E10 or many other Entry gold levels. Combined with an awesome fan controller (and a low noise fan). But component choice/build quality is to be cheap. And 3 Years Warranty (after registration)

 

1 hour ago, Rexper said:

Perhaps a list of popularly available power supplies, and provide examples to when each one could be considered.

Wich is kindawhat I had in mind  

 

Another way to do it is by Wattage, and here I'd use 3 categorys:

400-550W

650-850W

1000W and above.

 

 

 

And then categorize it by desirability of a PSU.

 

PS: You see that I really like the Performance X. Because its about the same price as the Corsair CX but better, except the choice of components...

[Rexper]

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

How do you classify a Xilence Performance X?

That would depend if you prefer a little better electrical performance + efficiency and noise, or a PSU that may last you a couple years longer.

[LienusLateTips]

@OrbitalBuzzsaw - Hey. Could you shoot me a DM with your PSU Tier List as it's standing rn? I could work on it.

 

OR... I could continue with my split.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

14 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

@OrbitalBuzzsaw - Hey. Could you shoot me a DM with your PSU Tier List as it's standing rn? I could work on it.

 

OR... I could continue with my split.

Continue with your split I think

[pas008]

too bad you couldnt make a browser add-on that adds a ltt tier number and eliminates psus not on the list

 

which can be turned on and off with a click and you could use price/color/etc to search

[LienusLateTips]

On 11/16/2018 at 9:05 AM, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Continue with your split I think

Why lmao? It's not like we disagree on much except for the G3

 

Even if we don't end up making it one we can still help each other for the rest...

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

3 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

Why lmao? It's not like we disagree on much except for the G3

 

Even if we don't end up making it one we can still help each other for the rest...

tbh I don't trust myself to manage something like that

[LienusLateTips]

17 hours ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

tbh I don't trust myself to manage something like that

at least help me then *cries in working on psu list alone*

[DildorTheDecent]

Write the tier list on somewhere that isn't a forum post. Like Google Docs or OneDrive. Add a few people that you trust to edit the document.

 

Means if the OP ever buggers off the forum the tier list will live on. Probably what should have been done in the beginning imo.