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Intel 660p NVME...whats the catch?

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Intel 660p NVME drive...not quiet as fast as as Samsung NVME drives....but it's about the same price as normal M.2 SSD drives. Is there something I'm missing? Does the warranty suck? Do they have high fail rates?

 

What am I missing? They seem too good to be true, there's gotta be a catch.

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Really low endurance it's QLC based. Look up the difference between QLC and MLC.

 

90,000 IOPS Random Read compared to 500,000 IOPS on the 970 pro.

220,000 IPS Random Write compared to 500,000 IOPS on 970 pro.

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9 minutes ago, Masters2150 said:

Intel 660p NVME drive...not quiet as fast as as Samsung NVME drives....but it's about the same price as normal M.2 SSD drives. Is there something I'm missing? Does the warranty suck? Do they have high fail rates?

 

What am I missing? They seem too good to be true, there's gotta be a catch.

No catch. It's just a much slower nvme ssd, and thus priced nearer to sata devices. That's like it's only selling point. Failure rate shouldn't be a problem (intel-micron drives are well known for their reliability), and the warranty is perfectly adequate.

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Really low endurance it's QLC based. Look up the difference between QLC and MLC

Ya I just found that.....nevermind, was nice while it lasted.

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Really low endurance it's QLC based. Look up the difference between QLC and MLC

Not actually relevant for consumers though. I mean hell, people wanted to doom and gloom on TLC for ages, but then someone actually took them to the test and went all petabyte on them ;)

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Just now, Masters2150 said:

Ya I just found that.....nevermind, was nice while it lasted.

I guess it depends on your use case as most will probably not come close to using the bandwidth of NVME drives but still why buy something slower if you have the cash em I right

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Just now, LinusTech said:

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Already planned or I gave you the idea?! :) WE ARE NOT WORTHY OF YOUR PRESENCE OH GURU OF COMPUTER WISDOM!!!

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1 minute ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Not actually relevant for consumers though. I mean hell, people wanted to doom and gloom on TLC for ages, but then someone actually took them to the test and went all petabyte on them ;)

RIght SSDs now days are just good all around. It's just if you want the utmost best. Which an enthusiast might pay for because A has larger faster numbers than product B

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Just now, BuckGup said:

RIght SSDs now days are just good all around. It's just if you want the utmost best. Which an enthusiast might pay for because A has larger faster numbers than product B

Yep, and thus why the 660p is so cheap by comparison to others)

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

RIght SSDs now days are just good all around. It's just if you want the utmost best. Which an enthusiast might pay for because A has larger faster numbers than product B

 

Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

Yep, and thus why the 660p is so cheap by comparison to others)

So basically beyond just getting something like a Corsair MX500 or a WD Blue drive, there is no in between until you hit Samsung. At least not without some kind of drawback like low endurance.

 

Just trying to decide to myself if I'd be fine with a WD Blue drive, or go for the 970 EVO. Intel had me for a few seconds but it seemed too good to be true, and it was.

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Just now, Masters2150 said:

 

So basically beyond just getting something like a Corsair MX500 or a WD Blue drive, there is no in between until you hit Samsung. At least not without some kind of drawback like low endurance.

 

Just trying to decide to myself if I'd be fine with a WD Blue drive, or go for the 970 EVO. Intel had me for a few seconds but it seemed too good to be true, and it was.

"low endurance" being something you probably won't ever experience as an issue. Also there are tons of other nvme options besides just this and the 970 EVO.

 

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In the real world, it is very rare for a consumer drive to need to accept tens or hundreds of GB of writes without interruption. Even the installation of a very large video game can mostly fit within the SLC cache of the 1TB 660p when the drive is not too full, and the steady-state write performance is pretty close to the highest rate data can be streamed into a computer over gigabit Ethernet. When copying huge amounts of data off of another SSD or sufficiently fast hard drive(s) it is possible to approach the worst-case performance our benchmarks have revealed, but those kind of jobs already last long enough that the user will take a coffee break while waiting.

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Given the above caveats and the rarity with which they matter, the 660p's performance seems great for the majority of consumers who have light storage workloads. The 660p usually offers substantially better performance than SATA drives for very little extra cost and with only a small sacrifice in power efficiency. The 660p proves that QLC NAND is a viable option for general-purpose storage, and most users don't need to know or care that the drive is using QLC NAND instead of TLC NAND. The 660p still carries a bit of a price premium over what we would expect a SATA QLC SSD to cost, so it isn't the cheapest consumer SSD on the market, but it has effectively closed the price gap between mainstream SATA and entry-level NVMe drives.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

"low endurance" being something you probably won't ever experience as an issue. Also there are tons of other nvme options besides just this and the 970 EVO.

 

 

Well endurance is something I'm planing for my next build.

 

I bought my PC 10 years ago, give or take, I only upgraded my video card once. So I don't buy new computer parts every 2-3 years, I spend alot on my computers but only every 7-10 years.  So I am carefully picking my parts to ensure they last. So in this case, while I may most likely never get close to it's rated endurance, I'd rather get slower speed of a WD Blue or a higher price of a Samsung than worry about longevity.

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Time will tell about the durability of this thing and QLC NAND in general. Well-made QLC will outlast cheap crappy TLC, but it still has to prove that it can take the beating long enough for people to accept.

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