AMD Confusing/Misleading Customers Again (570 Rebrand)

[Curufinwe_wins]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Again, most consumers are not going to have to deal with this. Its a Chinese model and Nvidia has been doing the same thing of releasing cut down cards in China only with way more shady naming than AMD here. 

 

Its a non issue. 

Yes it's a non issue to rip off chinese consumers. They aren't even people either.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

Yes it's a non issue to rip off chinese consumers. They aren't even people either.

It's going to take literally 2 minutes to do some research and figure out that the two cards are very different and perform different as well. 

 

I would like to think that people in China have the capacity to be put in an ounce of effort into researching what they are buying and are going to be able to notice that an RX 580 and an RX 580 2048SP are separate products. 

[Curufinwe_wins]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

It's going to take literally 2 minutes to do some research and figure out that the two cards are very different and perform different as well. 

 

I would like to think that people in China have the capacity to be put in an ounce of effort into researching what they are buying and are going to be able to notice that an RX 580 and an RX 580 2048SP are separate products. 

Except that this is first and foremost a OEM driven product. And I am very willing to bet most of them wont bother putting on the second part of the name. Just like many dont bother clarifying what 1060 variant or 1070 variant is being used.

 

In fact, that end goal is literally the only reason for this product to exist. It's a 570. That's all it is. The only reason for renaming this is the explicit and express goal of misleading the consumer in a "technically not illegal" way.

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3 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Except that this is first and foremost a OEM driven product. And I am very willing to bet most of them wont bother putting on the second part of the name. Just like many dont bother clarifying what 1060 variant or 1070 variant is being used.

Then that's terrible practice on the part of the OEMs and you should be mad at them.

[Curufinwe_wins]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Then that's terrible practice on the part of the OEMs and you should be mad at them.

It is. And I am. I'm also particularly mad that there is literally no reason for this product to exist other than to enable that practice even further.

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Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

It is. And I am. I'm also particularly mad that there is literally no reason for this product to exist other than to enable that practice even further.

They really should have called it a 575 or something like that but personally I don't feel it's the end of the world.  It is officially more than just "580", as it should be, and as I mentioned in my main post no the other page, this is probably the least egregious example of this we've seen in some time.

[Curufinwe_wins]

3 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

They really should have called it a 575 or something like that but personally I don't feel it's the end of the world.  It is officially more than just "580", as it should be, and as I mentioned in my main post no the other page, this is probably the least egregious example of this we've seen in some time.

I think its the most egregious example in 5+ years. It's the first modern example we have of literally upselling a lower tiered existing product as the higher tiered existing product.

 

Not something between. Not some compromise. Blatant upselling.

 

Yes the performance deltas between some ddr3 and gddr5 mixes are higher than these. But this exists in a dramatically higher performance class than those.

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Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

I think its the most egregious example in 5+ years. It's the first modern example we have of literally upselling a lower tiered existing product as the higher tiered existing product.

 

Not something between. Not some compromise. Blatant upselling.

Really?  What about all these:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-rx-560-specification-change,36049.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/242650/nvidia-sneaks-less-powerful-geforce-mx150-variant-into-ultrabooks?cp=3

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12614/nvidia-quietly-rolls-out-slower-lower-tdp-geforce-gt-1030-with-ddr4-vram

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-3GB/3639vs3646

 

imo all of these are worse

[Curufinwe_wins]

5 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Really?  What about all these:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-rx-560-specification-change,36049.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/242650/nvidia-sneaks-less-powerful-geforce-mx150-variant-into-ultrabooks?cp=3

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12614/nvidia-quietly-rolls-out-slower-lower-tdp-geforce-gt-1030-with-ddr4-vram

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-3GB/3639vs3646

 

imo all of these are worse

I've commented on 3/4 of those already. This is equivalent to AMD taking the 1060 3GB (having already been released), calling it the 1060 6GB 896 for the sole purpose that companies get to then call it the 1060 6GB and not be officially lying.

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1 minute ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

I've commented on all three of those already. This is equivalent to AMD taking the 1060 3GB, calling it the 1060 6GB 896 for the sole purpose that companies get to then call it the 1060 6GB and not be officially lying.

If that were the case I could be convinced that this is worse, or at least as bad as some of my examples, but I'm not sure it is.  How can you really say that is their sole intention with this card?

[Curufinwe_wins]

5 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

If that were the case I could be convinced that this is worse, or at least as bad as some of my examples, but I'm not sure it is.  How can you really say that is their sole intention with this card?

What other purpose can you think for releasing this card? We know its officially for OEM in China. Particularly things like computer cafes that market their specs as part of the experience. It has an effectively meaningless tiny upclock from the reference 570, and that is the only spec change.

 

 

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Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

What other purpose can you possible think for releasing this card.

Hmmm it is clearly just a 570.  OK, I can definitely see where you're coming from now.  At least they had the decency to give it a unique name which is more than can be said about the 1030, mx150, and 560 examples, so I still don't think this is the worst case we've seen, but I'd put it nearly on par.

[Curufinwe_wins]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Hmmm it is clearly just a 570.  OK, I can definitely see where you're coming from now.  At least they had the decency to give it a unique name which is more than can be said about the 1030, mx150, and 560 examples, so I still don't think this is the worst case we've seen, but I'd put it nearly on par.

At least the 1030 and mx150 down

spec variants had the decency to be useful as much lower tdp cards (10W vs 25W). And honestly, I think it's a more offensive issue when looking higher in the market (1030 and mx150 not being really functional for gaming one way or another). I'll definitely be willing to take the 560 event as being equal +/-. The individual performance change is bigger and worse, but again higher up in market (and thus value change) is mainly why I think it is a bigger problem.

 

This crap is just so frustrating.

[pas008]

12 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Hmmm it is clearly just a 570.  OK, I can definitely see where you're coming from now.  At least they had the decency to give it a unique name which is more than can be said about the 1030, mx150, and 560 examples, so I still don't think this is the worst case we've seen, but I'd put it nearly on par.

 

4 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

At least the 1030 and mx150 down

spec variants had the decency to be useful as much lower tdp cards (10W vs 25W). And honestly, I think it's a more offensive issue when looking higher in the market (1030 and mx150 not being really functional for gaming one way or another). I'll definitely be willing to take the 560 event as being equal +/-. The individual performance change is bigger and worse, but again higher up in market (and thus value change) is mainly why I think it is a bigger problem.

 

This crap is just so frustrating.

Don't forget gtx 460 se 

Also think there was a 5k and 6k lower  end cards amd had 2 different vram cards too

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, LinusTech said:

Wrong. The first time *I* got screwed over by AMD (though they were ATi at that point) and their loosey-goosey "guidelines" with respect to the branding of their GPUs was on a Radeon 9600. This appears to be a particularly egregious example of this behavior, but this bullshit has been happening for years and will likely never stop.

There was stuff like that going on before that with many major manufacturers.

The worst was the early DX9 Area though - and especially the Geforce 4 MX, with the lower end cards like Radeon 9600 but also (or especially) nVidia FX5200 and it doesn't seem that this has changed since then.

 

But I remember that there were some instances prior to that, also mostly lower end stuff like the Geforce 2 MX Series...

 

This shit was happening forever and this only seems to be for the Chinese market...

That doesn't make it better but when the Name is "RX580 2048", I don't see a big Problem...

[schwellmo92]

It’s a stupid product that shouldn’t exist but I don’t think it’s misleading.

[Carclis]

Couldn't even leave it at the same bandwidth, could they? What I want to know is what makes this not an RX 570.

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3 minutes ago, Carclis said:

Couldn't even leave it at the same bandwidth, could they? What I want to know is what makes this not an RX 570.

The name

[Carclis]

Just now, Ryan_Vickers said:

The name

Well... Ya got me there!

[Carclis]

1 hour ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

I think its the most egregious example in 5+ years. It's the first modern example we have of literally upselling a lower tiered existing product as the higher tiered existing product.

 

Not something between. Not some compromise. Blatant upselling.

 

Yes the performance deltas between some ddr3 and gddr5 mixes are higher than these. But this exists in a dramatically higher performance class than those.

Maybe reviewers should start benchmarking the lowest performance variant to cover their bases if this is the way companies want to behave. If they want to call this an RX 580 then use this card for comparisons from now on. They might get the message when it starts making their cards look inferior to the competition.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Just now, Carclis said:

Maybe reviewers should start benchmarking the lowest performance variant to cover their bases if this is the way companies want to behave. If they want to call this an RX 580 then use this card for comparisons from now on. They might get the message when it starts making their cards look inferior to the competition.

That is actually an amusingly fair solution.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

and here i was planning an upgrade to ryzen and an rx580 because i'm so bored of intel and nvidia at this point  

 

and then amd does this... why?

[mr moose]

40 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

and here i was planning an upgrade to ryzen and an rx580 because i'm so bored of intel and nvidia at this point  

 

and then amd does this... why?

Because they are AMD,  same reason Nvidia and Intel do it , because they are Nvidia and Intel respectively.  

[Bananasplit_00]

God damn it why can't companies make logical names? This should have been called the 575 or 570x or something like that, not the 580 nerfed edition

 

[mr moose]

They could just add a plus or minus symbol for every spec it does or doesn't have compared to the actual card it's pretending to be:

 

This one would be either a 580------   or a 570+