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First REAL Build - Looking for Advice!

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Hey guys! Long-time LTT fan, but first time posting here!

 

I am going through the process of changing my setup altogether. I'll start with what I currently have and go into what I plan on potentially building to replace it. If anyone feels obliged to offer some advice, I would be very grateful as this will be my first REAL build.

 

Current rig:

--Built using an HP Elite 8200 SFF as a platform--

Motherboard: Stock proprietary HP MoBo

CPU: Stock i5 2500 quad core @ 3.3 GHz

RAM: 8GB DDR3

Harddrive: 750GB 7200 RPM

GPU: Gigabyte GTX 1050ti Low Profile

PSU: Stock 240W(!) HP Unit

 

Now I have been quite happy with this setup - for the most part. I started with a GT 1030 instead of the 1050ti for cost's sake, but wanted to step it up just a bit, so I purchased the 1050ti NEW from Amazon about 2 weeks ago. A few problems that I am now seeing are these: though I knew this going forward with the SFF Elite 8200 desktop, I am at its max graphic potential given that the power supply does not have a separate power connection to supply anymore power the GPU outside of the 75W supplied through the motherboard (cannot realistically replace the PSU), additionally, the 1050ti is the most powerful low profile card I can seem to find (may be incorrect on this). The second problem is the new 1050ti itself. I have had some driver issues from day one, but I found an older driver that has been working just fine until my primary monitor (HDMI) starting flickering and occasionally shut down altogether; all the while my secondary monitor (DVI) worked just fine. After a few new HDMI cables and many drivers, no prevail. I can physically move the HDMI connection on the back of the 1050ti and it directly sends or cuts the signal to my monitor. This leaves me fairly convinced that the card has a physical fault.

 

So, my decision has been to completely start from scratch, and here I am! 

I have a few ideas for what I would like to do, but am on a fairly strict budget. I plan to use the money from returning the 1050ti to Amazon for a $195 USD refund and use what I get for selling my current rig (with the GT 1030 installed and the 750GB HDD swapped for a 500GB w/ Win 7 installed that I have on hand) - which I have a few potential buyers around the $200 USD mark.This leaves me in the ballpark of $350-$400 and am willing to throw in an extra $100 if needed (I am in college, money is hard to come buy, haha).

 

I have mocked up two different builds that I would like to run past you guys.

 

Intel-Based:

Motherboard: (Used) Gigabyte GA-H77 ATX

     https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAFVV6WP6977

--OR--  

                      (Used) Asus P8B75-M LX Plus

     https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAFVV7B84249

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 quad core @3.2 GHz

     **This will be salvaged from another HP Elite 8300 with a dead MoBo that I have laying around

CPU Heat Sink: Thermaltake 7-bladed 92mm

     https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002RWJGI6/?tag=pcpapi-20

RAM: G.Skill Value 8GB (2X4GB) DDR3 1600 PC3 12800

     https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231635&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Harddrive: I will use my current 750GB drive, but will also purchase an SSD:

                 Kingston A400 120GB

     https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-120GB-Solid-SA400S37-120G/dp/B01N6JQS8C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1539530363&sr=8-2&keywords=kingston+a400

GPU: I have found many used 1060's and a few new RX 570's for sale in my price range:

                 (Used) Asus GTX 1060 Dual OC 6GB

     https://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-GeForce-GTX-1060-Dual-OC-Dual-gtx1060-o6g-6gb-Gddr5/352485033882?epid=4019366377&hash=item5211bec79a:g:IrUAAOSwXpFbwn15:rk:14:pf:0&LH_BIN=1

--OR--

                 (New) Gigabyte Radeon RX 570 Gaming 4GB

     https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125966&cm_re=rx_570-_-14-125-966-_-Product

PSU: Cooler Master Masterwatt Lite 500W

     https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171106&cm_re=masterwatt-_-17-171-106-_-Product

Case: DIYPC P46-W White ATX/MATX

     https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353084

 

First off - does this all look compatible? To my best understanding, it should be, but that is why I am here, I am a beginner!

This will put my near my target budget and seems like it will be plenty capable. I would prefer to stick with Intel and Nvidia with my build, but here is my other option...

 

AMD-Based:

Motherboard & CPU: ASRock A20M-HDV AM4 MATX - AND - AMD Ryzen 3 2200G quad core @ 3.5 GHz **(This comes as a bundle from Newegg for a great value, so it sparked my interest)

     https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3754888

CPU Heat Sink: Same as Intel build.

RAM: Team 8GB (2X4GB) DDR4 3200 PC4 25600

     https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820331064&ignorebbr=1

Harddrive: Same as Intel build.

GPU: Same as Intel build.

PSU: Same as Intel build.

Case: Same as Intel build.

 

So that is it! I apologize for the lengthy read, but I figured i'd get it all out there for full feedback/advice. I am just seeking a capable machine for a solid 1080p - 60Hz experience as well as doing homework and other standard computing tasks. I am very close to pulling the trigger, just doing a few last-minute checks and revisions if needed. Let me know what you guys think - is this a compatible build? - and a viable one?

Thank you!

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Definitely take the AMD one, anything better then the outdated Intel stuff. You get the DDR4 speed benefit too, and a better upgrade path.

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4 minutes ago, timl132 said:

Definitely take the AMD one, anything better then the outdated Intel stuff. You get the DDR4 speed benefit too, and a better upgrade path.

Copy that. How does comparability look? Specifically the CPU cooler and MoBo, etc. I have heard some things about the AM4 boards needing something specific to universalize the CPU cooling?

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1 minute ago, Oll_Greg said:

Copy that. How does comparability look? Specifically the CPU cooler and MoBo, etc. I have heard some things about the AM4 boards needing something specific to universalize the CPU cooling?

 

1 minute ago, Oll_Greg said:

AM4 boards needing something specific to universalize the CPU cooling?

Not sure what you mean, but theer is a cooler included with your CPU, as long as you don't overclock, it will work just fine. (I don't think that MB can overclock)

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4 minutes ago, timl132 said:

 

Not sure what you mean, but theer is a cooler included with your CPU, as long as you don't overclock, it will work just fine. (I don't think that MB can overclock)

Oh yes, I forgot about that. Well, awesome. I'm assuming if it is coming as a bundle from Newegg, it will definitely be compatible. Thanks!

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2 minutes ago, Oll_Greg said:

Oh yes, I forgot about that. Well, awesome. I'm assuming if it is coming as a bundle from Newegg, it will definitely be compatible. Thanks!

DO you intent to overclock though? Or do you want to? If so, it might be worth finding a b350 motherboard. These are only $15 more expensive, and can give you some more performance if you can overclock.(Or want to)

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21 minutes ago, Oll_Greg said:

 

AMD-Based:

Motherboard & CPU: ASRock A20M-HDV AM4 MATX - AND - AMD Ryzen 3 2200G quad core @ 3.5 GHz **(This comes as a bundle from Newegg for a great value, so it sparked my interest)

     https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3754888

CPU Heat Sink: Same as Intel build.

RAM: Team 8GB (2X4GB) DDR4 3200 PC4 25600

     https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820331064&ignorebbr=1

Harddrive: Same as Intel build.

GPU: Same as Intel build.

PSU: Same as Intel build.

Case: Same as Intel build.

there's no need for a heatsink, the 2200G already has one included. i'd pony up for a B350 board if possible, get a BP5e slim 7 240gb SSD for $40 and look for a corsair CX instead.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Heatsink: Gelid Phantom Black GPU: Palit RTX 3060 Ti Dual RAM: Corsair DDR4 2x8GB 3000Mhz mobo: Asus X570-P case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

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4 minutes ago, timl132 said:

DO you intent to overclock though? Or do you want to? If so, it might be worth finding a b350 motherboard. These are only $15 more expensive, and can give you some more performance if you can overclock.(Or want to)

I don't specifically plan on OCing. Maybe the GPU, if anything. The stock 3.5 GHz from the CPU seems like it should be enough for what I am looking for, additionally, I am not sure how the bundle works with Newegg other than buying the two together. The prices individually for the MoBo and CPU are a bit more if buying separately.

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4 minutes ago, timl132 said:

DO you intent to overclock though? Or do you want to? If so, it might be worth finding a b350 motherboard. These are only $15 more expensive, and can give you some more performance if you can overclock.(Or want to)

For example:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145056&cm_re=ryzen-_-13-145-056-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113481&cm_re=ryzen-_-19-113-481-_-Product

total $150

 

Edit:

Read your post, GPU OC'ing doesn't need another MB(Unless you mean IGPU). 3.5GHZ is probably enough, depends on what programs/games you use/play.

Like @Herman Mcpootis said, the extra heatsink is indeed not needed. Maybe spend the extra money on a faster CPU?

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4 minutes ago, timl132 said:

Oh, damn I didn't even see these options though my searches! These are great, definitely worth having the OC capability if I choose to later on.

5 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

there's no need for a heatsink, the 2200G already has one included. i'd pony up for a B350 board if possible, get a BP5e slim 7 240gb SSD for $40 and look for a corsair CX instead.

Thank you for this insight as well. I will most likely be going with a B350 and will check out some other PSU's. Is there something I should be looking for in a PSU other than output, obviously?

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Just now, Oll_Greg said:

Oh, damn I didn't even see these options though my searches! These are great, definitely worth having the OC capability if I choose to later on.

Thank you for this insight as well. I will most likely be going with a B350 and will check out some other PSU's. Is there something I should be looking for in a PSU other than output, obviously?

Maybe a modular PSU, so you don't have useless cables hanging? And obviously the power output, 500w is plenty.

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4 minutes ago, Oll_Greg said:

Is there something I should be looking for in a PSU other than output, obviously?

Don't get some firecracker or unreviewed unit, look at reviews first before buying it. The Corsair CX and coolermaster masterwatt are decent budget choices.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Heatsink: Gelid Phantom Black GPU: Palit RTX 3060 Ti Dual RAM: Corsair DDR4 2x8GB 3000Mhz mobo: Asus X570-P case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

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17 minutes ago, timl132 said:

Maybe a modular PSU, so you don't have useless cables hanging? And obviously the power output, 500w is plenty.

 

13 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

Don't get some firecracker or unreviewed unit, look at reviews first before buying it. The Corsair CX and coolermaster masterwatt are decent budget choices.

Great, I will do some more research. Thank you both! I am set on the AMD build with (hopefully) a 1060. 

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4 hours ago, Oll_Greg said:

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Build something like this instead...

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($160.98 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($69.71 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($70.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Team - L5 LITE 3D 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.94 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 580 8GB DUAL Video Card  ($230.40 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.64 @ Walmart) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($45.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $701.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-14 16:34 EDT-0400

SSD TIER LIST

 

 

CPU - Ryzen 7 3700X

Mobo - ASRock X470 Taichi

Memory - G.Skill Trident Z RGB (8x2 3200MHz) 

Storage - Sabrent Rocket 1TB - Seagate Barracuda 2TBWD Black 1TB

GPU - MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti LIGHTNING

CaseFractal Design Meshify C

PSUSuper Flower Leadex II Gold 650W

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2 hours ago, vexicus365 said:

Build something like this instead...

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($160.98 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($69.71 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($70.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Team - L5 LITE 3D 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.94 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 580 8GB DUAL Video Card  ($230.40 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.64 @ Walmart) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($45.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $701.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-14 16:34 EDT-0400

That does look great, but is out of my price range by a fair amount. What advantages other than general power would I gain from this setup?

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Personally, I don't like to get used graphics cards. I would keep the 1050ti if I were you. Personally, the 1050ti does what I need it to, but disregard this if you know it won't work for you.

 

You need Windows too right?

 

Without Windows, this is in your 400 USD budget:

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($98.79 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($67.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston - A400 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.94 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.93 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - BR 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($34.99 @ B&H)
Total: $405.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-15 02:38 EDT-0400

But honestly, you might need to save up a little more.

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8 hours ago, MandoPanda said:

Personally, I don't like to get used graphics cards. I would keep the 1050ti if I were you. Personally, the 1050ti does what I need it to, but disregard this if you know it won't work for you.

 

You need Windows too right?

 

Without Windows, this is in your 400 USD budget:

But honestly, you might need to save up a little more.

I already have a harddrive with Windows 10 on it that I plan to use. The 1050ti unfortunately is not funtional and will have to send it back regardless of what I decide. If I were to go with a new gpu, I would end up going with an RX 570 as they are a great deal atm.

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8 hours ago, Oll_Greg said:

-snip-

 

Still might have to save up unless you can find a better deal on the RX. I kept the SSD in there because if you don't have an SSD, you aint livin'.

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($98.79 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($69.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($67.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston - A400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 570 8GB ARMOR Video Card  ($169.99 @ Newegg Business)
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.89 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - BR 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $509.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-15 19:42 EDT-0400

 

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10 minutes ago, MandoPanda said:

 

Still might have to save up unless you can find a better deal on the RX. I kept the SSD in there because if you don't have an SSD, you aint livin'.

 

Haha, I agree. I do not currently have one and though it has been okay but I have used machines with an SSD as the primary storage, and holy balls it's another world. Thank you for you help! This looks pretty close to what I want to shoot for. The case though, can that be swapped with any mid sized ATX case?

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1 minute ago, Oll_Greg said:

can that be swapped with any mid sized ATX case?

Yes. This case is Mid ATX. You can swap it out for any case that is Mid or Full sized ATX. The motherboard is ATX so you cannot go smaller than Mid ATX.

 

Happy hunting.

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5 minutes ago, MandoPanda said:

Yes. This case is Mid ATX. You can swap it out for any case that is Mid or Full sized ATX. The motherboard is ATX so you cannot go smaller than Mid ATX.

 

Happy hunting.

Copy that. Thank you again!

 

Cheers!

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