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Is putting a 2080 in this case suicidal?

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Hello all,

I frequent my local Microcenter and the staff are familiar with me. Today I got a call saying the are putting their display 2080 in the stock for $719 and put it on hold for me in case I'm interested. It is in essentially new condition and still has the manfucater warranty.

But, would stuffing it into the system below be a horrific idea, especially since it's not a blower cooler?

Your thoughts are appreciated.

 

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Why do you need NVME or 32 GB of ram? NVME is Useless for 99.5% of people. It does not help with game load times, bootup times are minimally different, and programs that arent CAD, Video editing based, or Massive file size based, do not benefit form NVME

 

The m22 Cooler is Trash, i would not reccomend that Case nor cooler, EVGA 280 CLC performs a hell of a lot better for only a bit more.

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3 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Why do you need NVME or 32 GB of ram? NVME is Useless for 99.5% of people. It does not help with game load times, bootup times are minimally different, and programs that arent CAD, Video editing based, or Massive file size based, do not benefit form NVME

 

The m22 Cooler is Trash, i would not reccomend that Case nor cooler, EVGA 280 CLC performs a hell of a lot better for only a bit more.

1. I already have that system built, the question is can that graphics card be added in without frying it. 

 

2. My wife is in the film industry and utilizes Rhino, Sketchup, Premier, After Effects, and Photoshop. 

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Honestly, at that price I'd just grab a 1080Ti. You'll get better performance. Then upgrade to their next card if you want ray tracing, when ray tracing is in more titles and is ironed out a little. I don't think it performs any better in video editing etc either (from what I can remember from Hardware Canucks video, though I've been on meds so you might want to double check the video for yourself ?)

 

Should you want to go for it, I don't think it'd be that bad. Just make sure that you have adequate airflow so that you can get the heat out. You're already running an 8700k in an ITX system, so I assume you have some idea of heat management.

 

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6 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Why do you need NVME or 32 GB of ram? NVME is Useless for 99.5% of people. It does not help with game load times, bootup times are minimally different, and programs that arent CAD, Video editing based, or Massive file size based, do not benefit form NVME

 

The m22 Cooler is Trash, i would not reccomend that Case nor cooler, EVGA 280 CLC performs a hell of a lot better for only a bit more.

Eh, NVME in the lower capacities isn't that bad. The price difference is usually pretty small compared to comparable drives. I don't blame him for 32GB of RAM, either, as even my 16GB is sometimes reaching it's capacity when I'm playing a game and have all my Chrome tabs left open. Before recommending something like a cooler, you should make sure that it fits the case. This case does not accept coolers of that size, so your recommendation doesn't make any sense.

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Just now, JWNGeorge said:

1. I already have that system built, the question is can that graphics card be added in without frying it. 

 

2. My wife is in the film industry and utilizes Rhino, Sketchup, Premier, After Effects, and Photoshop. 

Mkay makes enough sense then for that use case. I dont see any issues with it as long as you have decent airflow. MITX builds tend to suffer there

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1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Honestly, at that price I'd just grab a 1080Ti. You'll get better performance. Then upgrade to their next card if you want ray tracing, when ray tracing is in more titles and is ironed out a little. I don't think it performs any better in video editing etc either (from what I can remember from Hardware Canucks video, though I've been on meds so you might want to double check the video for yourself ?)

 

Should you want to go for it, I don't think it'd be that bad. Just make sure that you have adequate airflow so that you can get the heat out. You're already running an 8700k in an ITX system, so I assume you have some idea of heat management.

 

Welcome to the forum!

 

Eh, NVME in the lower capacities isn't that bad. The price difference is usually pretty small compared to comparable drives. I don't blame him for 32GB of RAM, either, as even my 16GB is sometimes reaching it's capacity when I'm playing a game and have all my Chrome tabs left open. Before recommending something like a cooler, you should make sure that it fits the case. This case does not accept coolers of that size, so your recommendation doesn't make any sense.

Didnt know it was already built, thought he was going to build it. To me NVME has to be used for business use or when theres a really good deal, recently Rakuten has been having the Adata 480 GB NVME drive for around 90$ which is pretty good.

 

Close your damn chrome tabs if they are doing that, dont need that many open :P Keep it clean.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Shimejii said:

Mkay makes enough sense then for that use case. I dont see any issues with it as long as you have decent airflow. MITX builds tend to suffer there

Currently have a 1070 in there, it hasn't had any problems yet. 

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Thanks for the tips guys - I think I'll give it a try and if the Temps don't look good in the first few days, I'll exchange it. 

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8 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Why do you need NVME or 32 GB of ram? NVME is Useless for 99.5% of people. It does not help with game load times, bootup times are minimally different, and programs that arent CAD, Video editing based, or Massive file size based, do not benefit form NVME

 

The m22 Cooler is Trash, i would not reccomend that Case nor cooler, EVGA 280 CLC performs a hell of a lot better for only a bit more.

Dude why are you dising his computer thats not what he asked. But my response to this question, its not the worst thing ever, but cooling could be improved. I would fill the fan slots if not already done or maybe even get a new case like the NZXT H200 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811146302 -

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7 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Didnt know it was already built, thought he was going to build it. To me NVME has to be used for business use or when theres a really good deal, recently Rakuten has been having the Adata 480 GB NVME drive for around 90$ which is pretty good.

 

Close your damn chrome tabs if they are doing that, dont need that many open :P Keep it clean.

If you look at his build it was pretty clearly a no compromise type situation, so if he wants to spend a little more for the chance of a touch of increased performance it kinda makes sense. After all, $40 in the grand scheme of a $2,000 build isn't a whole lot. Most of the time I'm with you though. I'd get a high capacity SATA drive before a smaller NVME one at the same price point.

 

Haha, hell no. I always have things on the go, and I don't want to have to go around opening them all again. Right now I have probably 70 tabs open across 9 windows.

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53 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Honestly, at that price I'd just grab a 1080Ti. You'll get better performance. Then upgrade to their next card if you want ray tracing, when ray tracing is in more titles and is ironed out a little. I don't think it performs any better in video editing etc either (from what I can remember from Hardware Canucks video, though I've been on meds so you might want to double check the video for yourself ?)

I read it DOES have better quality hardware encoding (and it seemed to be the case when I tested Steam in-home streaming), although if you are serious about video quality you should still be using slow software encoding anyway.

 

As for NVME and lots of RAM, people seem to forget that just because they do not make a big difference today, doesn't mean they won't within the lifespan of the PC.  I'm fairly sure NVME DOES make subtle differences to streaming content in, so if you can afford one, why not?

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21 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I read it DOES have better quality hardware encoding (and it seemed to be the case when I tested Steam in-home streaming), although if you are serious about video quality you should still be using slow software encoding anyway.

The testing shows otherwise.

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2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

The testing shows otherwise.

I went straight from my 1070 Ti to a 2080, both streaming to a second TV via a Steam Link.  The 1070 Ti seemed to lose some contrast and sharpness, the 2080 appeared to look closer to the source using the same bitrate.

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Turing GPUs also ship with an enhanced NVENC encoder unit that adds support for H.265 (HEVC) 8K encode at 30 fps. The new NVENC encoder provides up to 25% bitrate savings for HEVC and up to 15% bitrate savings for H.264.

Turing’s new NVDEC decoder has also been updated to support decoding of HEVC YUV444 10/12b HDR at 30 fps, H.264 8K, and VP9 10/12b HDR.

Turing improves encoding quality compared to prior generation Pascal GPUs and compared to software encoders. Figure 11 shows that on common Twitch and YouTube streaming settings, Turing’s video encoder exceeds the quality of the x264 software-based encoder using the fast encode settings, with dramatically lower CPU utilization. 4K streaming is too heavy a workload for encoding on typical CPU setups, but Turing’s encoder makes 4K streaming possible.

https://devblogs.nvidia.com/nvidia-turing-architecture-in-depth/

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1 minute ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I went straight from my 1070 Ti to a 2080, both streaming to a second TV via a Steam Link.  The 2080 appeared to look closer to the source.

 

https://devblogs.nvidia.com/nvidia-turing-architecture-in-depth/

And?

Go watch the video, it shows otherwise. I also wasn't talking about streaming. So not sure why you mentioned that.

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3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

And?

Go watch the video, it shows otherwise. I also wasn't talking about streaming. So not sure why you mentioned that.

If NVENC is improved then it really doesn't matter if you are streaming or using it other ways, its improved, period.  They cite streaming because its more relevant there due to the real-time nature.  Maybe the software needs tweaking to benefit from the improvements?  Still doesn't mean they don't exist.

Also, what video?  If you are going to argue against something its a good idea to link to the evidence.

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Just now, Alex Atkin UK said:

If NVENC is improved then it really doesn't matter if you streaming or using it other ways, its improved, period.  They cite streaming because its more relevant there due to the real-time nature.

Also, what video?  If you are going to argue against something its a good idea to link to the evidence.

Go find it yourself. I've mentioned the channel. This isn't a term paper, and tbh I don't care if you believe me or not. I'm not here to convince you.

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Someone has even mentioned here they think it needs a software change to work:  https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1038493/video-codec-sdk/details-about-nvenc-in-turing-/

 

I don't think one channel doing a test with software that possibly isn't optimised for it yet proves anything.  Unless you outright think nVidia are lying, which would be a pretty dumb seeing as they could get sued for that sort of thing.

 

Also if its this video you are referring to he seems to be talking about render time, not quality, mentioning CUDA a lot too, something which has no bearing on NVENC at all.  So it doesn't disprove that they improved the quality for a given bitrate at all.

 

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8 hours ago, Fuzzleworth1 said:

Dude why are you dising his computer thats not what he asked. But my response to this question, its not the worst thing ever, but cooling could be improved. I would fill the fan slots if not already done or maybe even get a new case like the NZXT H200 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811146302 -

Yeah, I've looked at the H200 a few times - I think it's the wiser choice but damn, the Evolv Shift is just too damn good looking! 

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