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2700x + 2080ti is 650 really needed?

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The reason I ask this is because finding a SFF PSU above 600W in Canada is proving a bit troublesome. There's plenty of 600W...

 

I saw an Enermax 650W, but not sure how much I trust the brand.

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2700x at peak overclock in prime95 = 200w

 

2080ti at stock TDP = 250w, at cranked power limit (because custom card) and overclocked = 350w

 

You do need 650w for an overclocked system, but not if you let the CPU and GPU run at stock settings.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

2700x at peak overclock in prime95 = 200w

 

2080ti at stock TDP = 250w, at cranked power limit (because custom card) and overclocked = 350w

 

You do need 650w for an overclocked system, but not if you let the CPU and GPU run at stock settings.

Well I don't intend to OC the CPU, since from what I've read, it can boost itself just as far as most people can OC it unless you win the silicon lottery. If anything I'll be undervolting it to get the temps lower while still keeping same stock clocks.

 

The GPU....maybe.

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The SF600 is fine for that, even overclocked. You'll probably have more issues cooling 450W of heat (rough power draw of an overclocked 2080 Ti system) in a case that doesn't support ATX PSUs. 

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600W is fine if you don't OC.

 

If you can fit SFX-L then you can find 800W PSUs.

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4 minutes ago, seon123 said:

The SF600 is fine for that, even overclocked. You'll probably have more issues cooling 450W of heat (rough power draw of an overclocked 2080 Ti system) in a case that doesn't support ATX PSUs. 

I plan on getting the Asus 2080ti Turbo with a blower cooler. So it will dump it's heat outside the case. It's only the CPU I have to really worry about. I use headphones so the little bit increased noise won't bother me much.

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23 minutes ago, Masters2150 said:

I plan on getting the Asus 2080ti Turbo with a blower cooler. So it will dump it's heat outside the case. It's only the CPU I have to really worry about. I use headphones so the little bit increased noise won't bother me much.

Then you can prettty much forget GPU overclocking. This blower is so weak, gains through overclocking wont be worth it.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Then you can prettty much forget GPU overclocking. This blower is so weak, gains through overclocking wont be worth it.

Can the same be said if I get an open air GPU? Can overclock, but the head will get dumped into the case, and the GPU will just suck up hot air. Or will it not effect it as much as I think?

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3 minutes ago, Masters2150 said:

Can the same be said if I get an open air GPU? Can overclock, but the head will get dumped into the case, and the GPU will just suck up hot air. Or will it not effect it as much as I think?

What case are you plan on using?

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

What case are you plan on using?

Phanteks Shift, MAYBE shift X

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4 hours ago, Masters2150 said:

The reason I ask this is because finding a SFF PSU above 600W in Canada is proving a bit troublesome. There's plenty of 600W...

Because there are two and both are SFX-L:
Silverstone SX700-LPT

Silverstone SX800-LTI

 

That's it. There is no more. And you only need that for SLI Systems anyway.

For the cases that need SFX, you'll have Problems with 450W power consumption anyway because of thermal limitations due to size...

4 hours ago, Masters2150 said:

I saw an Enermax 650W, but not sure how much I trust the brand.

Its not great because really loud.


You should tell us what you are planning so that we can really help you.

Without knowing, not helping we can.

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12 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

What case are you plan on using?

 

9 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Because there are two and both are SFX-L:
Silverstone SX700-LPT

Silverstone SX800-LTI

 

That's it. There is no more. And you only need that for SLI Systems anyway.

For the cases that need SFX, you'll have Problems with 450W power consumption anyway because of thermal limitations due to size...

Its not great because really loud.


You should tell us what you are planning so that we can really help you.

Without knowing, not helping we can.

Heres my shared build lists with what I've been dabbling with. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Masters2150/saved/DW9w6h

 

I did find a Silverstone 700W, I initally didn't use it because partspicker said it wasn't compatible. Problem is,  I looked at the specs and can't find how it isn't compatible. Am I missing something that the website knows about?

 

Also as you can tell, budget isn't isn't a huge issue, but I'm trying to keep it under $5k CAD. Though that last setup with the full custom loop goes over that by a bit.

 

I also made a build with the upcoming Evolv X because I liked the case, and I may end up going that direction if me wanting to put this much power in a SFF is just too much of a headache now and later on.

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16 hours ago, Masters2150 said:

Phanteks Shift, MAYBE shift X

Hmm, no. Open air cooler wont help much if not worse since both Shift and shift x place the graphics card behind the motherboard, restricting airflow that way. If you go the shift x route though you check if those with liquid cooler strapped on out of the box will fit.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Hmm, no. Open air cooler wont help much if not worse since both Shift and shift x place the graphics card behind the motherboard, restricting airflow that way. If you go the shift x route though you check if those with liquid cooler strapped on out of the box will fit.

Well I'm putting in a 2080 ti, and I'm not aware of any current cards that have an AIO on them yet. Unless you happen to know.

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34 minutes ago, Masters2150 said:

Well I'm putting in a 2080 ti, and I'm not aware of any current cards that have an AIO on them yet. Unless you happen to know.

The usual EVGA hybrid line should come in the near future, so is MSI and Gigabyte's take on such thing.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

The usual EVGA hybrid line should come in the near future, so is MSI and Gigabyte's take on such thing.

So maybe if I go Shift H60 on the CPU, and hybrid cooler for GPU. If I go Shift X, H100 on CPU.

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1 minute ago, Masters2150 said:

So maybe if I go Shift H60 on the CPU, and hybrid cooler for GPU. If I go Shift X, H100 on CPU.

yup

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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