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AMD 1600X Unstable memory at 3200mhz

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4 hours ago, Bravo1cc said:

Hi Reznik, 

 

Thanks for taking the time, yea they are running Dual channel at the moment. The score is at least 300 off. A major margin i believe. I am happy with my memory clock but just wonder if it is hiding my CPU. There could be something i am missing but i am not sure. I will dig through my Bios later an list all the none default changes plus my current bench score. It just seems to be multi thread workloads that are slow in comparison. Other that than its rely fast, games run so well (if they are more CPU dependant of course). My GPU is a GTX 1080 Windforce from Gigabyte.  

I just got home and ran a quick test on my system 2600 system.  Result  #2. is memory running at 2933 and result #4 is running at 2133.  Difference of only 45 points, so not very significant or anywhere near the ~300 points you seem to be missing.   

 

 

 

 

 

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I have been having issue with getting the performacy from my overclocked 1600X that i would expect compared to other benchmarks i have seen i.e cinebench seems to be the most out of line when compared to other CPUs of the same sku. I believe this to be a memory related issue. I have my memory set manually to 2800mhz at stock voltage with no issue, i would like to drive this higher but just lack the knowledge on what the issue is. Is it memory, is the cpu not being configured properly in the BIOS, are there settings that could influence this that much that i am just not aware of. I watch and partake in a lot of Youtube tech content but am not sure if it is me or the PC that is missing something. The memory is G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2400mhz ram two 8gb sticks and the motherboard is the X370 gaming F latest Bios. Any help would be rely rely appreciated and thanks for you time just reading this if you bother. 

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RAM overclocking is still fairly temperamental on first generation Ryzen CPUs. You will have an even rougher time of it since you bought only a 2400Mhz kit rather than one rated for 3200. 

 

Honestly I'm surprised you were able to hit 2800 at stock voltage. Best you can probably achieve is maybe 2933 with loosened timings or higher voltage. I recommend increasing the voltage over loosening timings if your system airflow is at least decent, as the loosened timings can be a noticeable detriment.

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I do realize i am very lucky to hit the 2800 on stock voltage, i am amazed its stable. I have tried 2933 at a higher voltage but this caused my machine to black out so badly i had to clear the CMOS and set my overclocks again. 

 

How much voltage would you expect to add for a bump like that? Voltages scare me half to death and get super cagey around it as i've spent a long time on this build. It does have good cooling due to 5 fans at high speeds lol

 

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I'm no expert but on my ryzen first gen I was never able to get past 2933 with a 2666 kit.  If you are getting a 2400 kit to run at 2800 I'd call that a win and leave it as is. 

 

As far as your Cinebench scores, how far off are they from what you expected? Perhaps you have something else hindering performance.   Your memory is running in dual channel right?  Make sure they are in the correct slots for dual and not running in single channel mode. 

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18 minutes ago, Reznik said:

I'm no expert but on my ryzen first gen I was never able to get past 2933 with a 2666 kit.  If you are getting a 2400 kit to run at 2800 I'd call that a win and leave it as is. 

 

As far as your Cinebench scores, how far off are they from what you expected? Perhaps you have something else hindering performance.   Your memory is running in dual channel right?  Make sure they are in the correct slots for dual and not running in single channel mode. 

Hi Reznik, 

 

Thanks for taking the time, yea they are running Dual channel at the moment. The score is at least 300 off. A major margin i believe. I am happy with my memory clock but just wonder if it is hiding my CPU. There could be something i am missing but i am not sure. I will dig through my Bios later an list all the none default changes plus my current bench score. It just seems to be multi thread workloads that are slow in comparison. Other that than its rely fast, games run so well (if they are more CPU dependant of course). My GPU is a GTX 1080 Windforce from Gigabyte.  

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4 minutes ago, Bravo1cc said:

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i'm just gonna cut to the chase, the mem is definitely holding u back more than you think, chances are if you are ocing a 2400 kit to 2800 it'll also have crappy timings, it's about a 10-15% bottleneck compared to say... a kit of flare x b-die

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9 minutes ago, xg32 said:

i'm just gonna cut to the chase, the mem is definitely holding u back more than you think, chances are if you are ocing a 2400 kit to 2800 it'll also have crappy timings, it's about a 10-15% bottleneck compared to say... a kit of flare x b-die

Okay so say it is my timings, would you be able to suggest some or would this require some research? I'm fine it's it's research as I'm a quick learner. Either way cheers for the input. 

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2 minutes ago, Bravo1cc said:

Okay so say it is my timings, would you be able to suggest some or would this require some research? I'm fine it's it's research as I'm a quick learner. Either way cheers for the input. 

timing on that a specific kit will likely require just some testing of your own (unless it's a popular kit), generally since your kit was rated at 2400, i'd say using the stock timing while boosting the speed was the right choice, judging from what you said, i'd stay with 2800 at 4ghz on a 1st gen ryzen with a 2400 kit.

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2 hours ago, xg32 said:

timing on that a specific kit will likely require just some testing of your own (unless it's a popular kit), generally since your kit was rated at 2400, i'd say using the stock timing while boosting the speed was the right choice, judging from what you said, i'd stay with 2800 at 4ghz on a 1st gen ryzen with a 2400 kit.

Okay, i am happy just should have look at a more realistic end point on my build. What is a typical overclock on a rated speed on memory? Is it a few hundred megahertz or less or is it dependant on your luck on how good the batch of silicon from the plant?

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1 hour ago, Bravo1cc said:

Okay, i am happy just should have look at a more realistic end point on my build. What is a typical overclock on a rated speed on memory? Is it a few hundred megahertz or less or is it dependant on your luck on how good the batch of silicon from the plant?

i'd say it's about 10%, the higher u go the less it is

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17 minutes ago, xg32 said:

i'd say it's about 10%, the higher u go the less it is

Okay so thats good news then!! Well thank you sir for taking the time to educate me on something i dont rely pay that much attention to :) I will educate myself on timings and general memory settings as i think this is help me on building better machines going forward.

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4 hours ago, Bravo1cc said:

Hi Reznik, 

 

Thanks for taking the time, yea they are running Dual channel at the moment. The score is at least 300 off. A major margin i believe. I am happy with my memory clock but just wonder if it is hiding my CPU. There could be something i am missing but i am not sure. I will dig through my Bios later an list all the none default changes plus my current bench score. It just seems to be multi thread workloads that are slow in comparison. Other that than its rely fast, games run so well (if they are more CPU dependant of course). My GPU is a GTX 1080 Windforce from Gigabyte.  

I just got home and ran a quick test on my system 2600 system.  Result  #2. is memory running at 2933 and result #4 is running at 2133.  Difference of only 45 points, so not very significant or anywhere near the ~300 points you seem to be missing.   

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Reznik said:

I just got home and ran a quick test on my system 2600 system.  Result  #2. is memory running at 2933 and result #4 is running at 2133.  Difference of only 45 points, so not very significant or anywhere near the ~300 points you seem to be missing.   

 

 

 

 

 

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Hmm maybe its just me being dumb but i'm sure i saw scores of 1700 up on a 1600X? Am i just going nuts?

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5 minutes ago, Bravo1cc said:

Hmm maybe its just me being dumb but i'm sure i saw scores of 1700 up on a 1600X? Am i just going nuts?

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I think you might be nuts :)

 

I've got my brother in laws Ryzen 1700 system here and that 8 core at the 3GHz stock scores 1421.  I don't know much about these bench marks but your 1600X seems aligned to what mine 2600 is getting considering the slight clock and memory speed differences.  It would appear that your system is running fine.  

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Okay, well i am glad it is me just going nuts rather than a problem with my system. I rely do appreciate you running this as a direct comparison. 

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What is your DDR4 kit rated with XMP?

What are the XMP timings and voltage?

 

I would try some standard DDR4-2666+ timings to start, and work your way up/down from there.

 

Try something like 16-18-18-38-1T, 1.35V

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