X470 Motherboard Choices

[tbertin]

Hello,

 

This is my first time building a PC so please correct me if I am wrong and suggest better options.

 

I am looking to get a Ryzen 2700X with an X470 motherboard. I already have an RX 580 which I used for external graphics on a Mac. At some point I will replace it or get a second if that is a good option.

 

RAM: Sniper X 3200MHz (16GB x 2) https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232709&ignorebbr=1. I will start with one set and get a second later on for a total of 64GB. Is this RAM good? Is it true that due to latency 3600MHz will actually be slower?

 

I want to boot from NVMe M.2. Should it be done with RAID 0 or a single drive? Will all x470s be able to do RAID?

 

What are your opinions on the different X470 motherboards? Ive heard the MISI boards are not as good. What are the benefits of getting something like ASRock Taichi Ultimate or ASUS Crosshair VII Hero compared to a $100 or $150 board?

 

Thanks for any help

[Lordclouds]

25 minutes ago, tbertin said:

Hello,

 

This is my first time building a PC so please correct me if I am wrong and suggest better options.

 

I am looking to get a Ryzen 2700X with an X470 motherboard. I already have an RX 580 which I used for external graphics on a Mac. At some point I will replace it or get a second if that is a good option.

 

RAM: Sniper X 3200MHz (16GB x 2) https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232709&ignorebbr=1. I will start with one set and get a second later on for a total of 64GB. Is this RAM good? Is it true that due to latency 3600MHz will actually be slower?

 

I want to boot from NVMe M.2. Should it be done with RAID 0 or a single drive? Will all x470s be able to do RAID?

 

What are your opinions on the different X470 motherboards? Ive heard the MISI boards are not as good. What are the benefits of getting something like ASRock Taichi Ultimate or ASUS Crosshair VII Hero compared to a $100 or $150 board?

 

Thanks for any help

When getting a new motherboard please use pcpartpicker.com 

This way you can check compatibility and not have any issues.

The board is fully compatible but the question is are you planing to sli?

[Lordclouds]

1 minute ago, Lordclouds said:

When getting a new motherboard please use pcpartpicker.com 

This way you can check compatibility and not have any issues.

The board is fully compatible but the question is are you planing to sli?

also can you list out every component that you think you are going to get this way we can work around a good motherboard for your needs

[tbertin]

4 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

When getting a new motherboard please use pcpartpicker.com 

This way you can check compatibility and not have any issues.

The board is fully compatible but the question is are you planing to sli?

Thanks I will check out pcpartpicker. I thought all x470s were compatible with SLI. Unless it makes sense to do SLI or Crossfire I will replace my GPU when the time comes.

[Lordclouds]

1 minute ago, tbertin said:

Thanks I will check out pcpartpicker. I thought all x470s were compatible with SLI. Unless it makes sense to do SLI or Crossfire I will replace my GPU when the time comes.

make sure they mention it. 

[Lordclouds]

1 minute ago, Lordclouds said:

make sure they mention it. 

This is my rig which I used pcpartpicker for 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler	$46.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus - TUF X470-PLUS GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$149.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
Storage	Western Digital - Blue 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$149.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card	$409.99 @ B&H
Case	NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$79.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1310.52
	Mail-in rebates	-$45.00
	Total	$1265.52
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-07 16:52 EDT-0400

 

[tbertin]

 

21 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

also can you list out every component that you think you are going to get this way we can work around a good motherboard for your needs

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Sniper X 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$278.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Sniper X 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$278.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital - Black NVMe 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Western Digital - Black NVMe 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card	$439.99 @ Newegg
Case	Silverstone - Redline RL06BR-G ATX Mid Tower Case	$89.49 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$66.44 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1803.67
	Mail-in rebates	-$90.00
	Total	$1713.67
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-07 17:07 EDT-0400

 

[Lordclouds]

1 minute ago, tbertin said:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Sniper X 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$278.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Sniper X 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$278.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital - Black NVMe 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Western Digital - Black NVMe 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card	$439.99 @ Newegg
Case	Silverstone - Redline RL06BR-G ATX Mid Tower Case	$89.49 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$66.44 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1803.67
	Mail-in rebates	-$90.00
	Total	$1713.67
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-07 17:07 EDT-0400

 

perfect let me check it

[Lordclouds]

4 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

perfect let me check it

are you overclocking anything ?

[Lordclouds]

2 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

are you overclocking anything ?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler	$36.40 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard	$117.58 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$128.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$128.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$128.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$128.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital - Blue 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$149.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card	$439.99 @ Newegg
Case	Silverstone - Redline RL06BR-G ATX Mid Tower Case	$89.49 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$66.44 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1834.63
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$1774.63
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-07 17:19 EDT-0400

 Ok this list contains everything you need and keeps the price almost the same of what you sent me

[tbertin]

1 minute ago, Lordclouds said:

are you overclocking anything ?

I have never done it before but I would like to try.

[tbertin]

1 minute ago, Lordclouds said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler	$36.40 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard	$117.58 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$128.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$128.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$128.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$128.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital - Blue 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$149.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card	$439.99 @ Newegg
Case	Silverstone - Redline RL06BR-G ATX Mid Tower Case	$89.49 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$66.44 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1834.63
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$1774.63
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-07 17:19 EDT-0400

 Ok this list contains everything you need and keeps the price almost the same of what you sent me

The Ryzen 7 comes with a cooler. Do you suggest I get a different one?

[Lordclouds]

Just now, tbertin said:

The Ryzen 7 comes with a cooler. Do you suggest I get a different one?

It does but if you are overclocking you need an aftermarket cooler which i already added on the list

[tbertin]

1 minute ago, Lordclouds said:

It does but if you are overclocking you need an aftermarket cooler which i already added on the list

Ok thank you. 

[Lordclouds]

Just now, tbertin said:

Ok thank you. 

This rig is guaranteed to set you up for gaming and work at the same time

[nick name]

@tbertin Overclocking a 2700X isn't worth doing unless you have a golden chip.  The odds are you will do better with PBO2 and XFR2.  With that said -- the Crosshair VII has the best "overclocking" solution, that I have seen, with its Performance Enhancer Levels.  There is a der8auer video outlining them that will explain.  Also, you are going to want Samsung b-die RAM if you're looking to overclock.  You won't get the best speeds with all RAM slots populated, but b-die RAM will allow you to get the tightest timings possible.  

 

And if you're going to buy a different air cooler don't waste money unless it's super beefy.  Something affordable will simply be a lateral move and not provide a better solution than the stock Wraith Prism cooler.  Going AIO is the easiest and more affordable option when you're looking at performance per dollar.  

[tbertin]

10 minutes ago, nick name said:

@tbertin Overclocking a 2700X isn't worth doing unless you have a golden chip.  The odds are you will do better with PBO2 and XFR2.  With that said -- the Crosshair VII has the best "overclocking" solution, that I have seen, with its Performance Enhancer Levels.  There is a der8auer video outlining them that will explain.  Also, you are going to want Samsung b-die RAM if you're looking to overclock.  You won't get the best speeds with all RAM slots populated, but b-die RAM will allow you to get the tightest timings possible.  

 

And if you're going to buy a different air cooler don't waste money unless it's super beefy.  Something affordable will simply be a lateral move and not provide a better solution than the stock Wraith Prism cooler.  Going AIO is the easiest and more affordable option when you're looking at performance per dollar.  

Thanks for the info. I'll go without overclocking. Will the RAM be slowed down having all slots populated or just less ability to overclock?

[nick name]

50 minutes ago, tbertin said:

Thanks for the info. I'll go without overclocking. Will the RAM be slowed down having all slots populated or just less ability to overclock?

The Ryzen IMC doesn't seem to be able to handle speeds faster than 3200MHz with 4 dimms populated or when using multiple dual rank dimms.  This is from what I've seen reported from users on other forums that have been reporting their speeds.  So after seeing that I wouldn't recommend buying RAM rated at speeds much higher than 3200MHz and expecting to reach it.  And I still strongly recommend Samsung b-die if you want to play the RAM overclock game in the sense of shooting for lower RAM timings.  

[tbertin]

3 minutes ago, nick name said:

The Ryzen IMC doesn't seem to be able to handle speeds faster than 3200MHz with 4 dimms populated or when using multiple dual rank dimms.  This is from what I've seen reported from users on other forums that have been reporting their speeds.  So after seeing that I wouldn't recommend buying RAM rated at speeds much higher than 3200MHz and expecting to reach it.  And I still strongly recommend Samsung b-die if you want to play the RAM overclock game in the sense of shooting for lower RAM timings.  

Are either of these b-die?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wWc48d/gskill-sniper-x-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-32gsxkb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VcTrxr/gskill-memory-f43200c16s16gvk

[nick name]

5 hours ago, tbertin said:

Are either of these b-die?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wWc48d/gskill-sniper-x-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-32gsxkb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VcTrxr/gskill-memory-f43200c16s16gvk

A good quick way to identify b-die is all the teen numbers matching.  This works for 3600MHz or less.  So 14-14-14- or 15-15-15 or 16-16-16.  Also this site:

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/